The Master Pupeteers.

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I've spent allot of time trying to find true evidence of the ghosts many people refer to as "pupetteers." I've come across attacks, exposure, and general discussion that unveils "minor" pupeteers [IE: IRS, Federal Reserve, Wolrd leaders, And generally who we know to be in power and corrupt] though Im interested more in the bigger fish and was curious if anyone here had any ideas as to who some of the "master" pupeteers are, or any thoughts in general about them. I've heard NWO (And executive orders they supposedly promote within the US) Illuminati, etc.

EDIT: To me the problem with people considering politically involved puppeteers as the major string pullers overlooks the fact that the true pupeteers will be much more invisible, much smarter, and more powerful.

Any thoughts?

( Oh, I thought I was in conspiracy theory, feel free to move, my apologies )
 
Torpid said:
I've spent allot of time trying to find true evidence of the ghosts many people refer to as "pupetteers." (...)

EDIT: To me the problem with people considering politically involved puppeteers as the major string pullers overlooks the fact that the true pupeteers will be much more invisible, much smarter, and more powerful.

Any thoughts?

( Oh, I thought I was in conspiracy theory, feel free to move, my apologies )
Actually, I think you're in a closer matched forum than you thought.

It seems you're looking for some name of a group or something similar. Perhaps it's a little different. Have you read 'Political Ponerology'? That pretty much lays out the fundamental knowledge of who the major and minor puppeteers really are, and it provides the tools to find real evidence. There's plenty on the forum on the topic.
 
yes, what Shane said.

I think also, the sub-group of humans known as psychopaths is one thing, and is a very significant realisation, that we now have the modern knowledge of psychology/psychopathy to help us see and understand - they have awesome control over all the various manouvreings here on planet earth via one faction or another, and yet they are pretty much invisible as a group, because of their abilities...

but that there is always another level, and another, and so this subset of 'nearly humans' is simply the instrument used directly on us by any further layers of the universe, such as 4d STS.

so to try to get to the root of the cause, to get to the hidden groups 'at the top' is a bit like trying to find the meaning of life the universe and everything. because, there is no 'top', until you're looking at the whole of the universe!
 
Shane said:
It seems you're looking for some name of a group or something similar. Perhaps it's a little different. Have you read 'Political Ponerology'? That pretty much lays out the fundamental knowledge of who the major and minor puppeteers really are, and it provides the tools to find real evidence. There's plenty on the forum on the topic.
I haven't but now I shall read it. I was in fact more in line with searching for what sleepy was discussing, but in a more tangible way. It would seem the trail of events throughout history indicates intelligent intervention at key points that have been leading us to a future goal, and Im wondering if this is the unconcious mistake of the political demons we knowingly face, or if some invisible force intervenes on their actions. I've heard allot of people indicate they believe its high level bankers, but perhaps im looking for one level above that. Ill go ahead and read Pp now.
 
The problem is, you'll most likely not find the identity of those high up in the hierarchy, and if by some extremely unlikely chance you did manage this, you won't live to tell about it as you're greeted by an imminent and coincidental stroke or a heart attack. There are all sorts of "groups", semi-secret and totally secret running all sorts of things, a lot of them not knowing about one another and compartmentalized, some higher up knowing about the others, etc, and it just goes on and on. I think what is important is not the identity of those in the higher echelons, but understanding the true nature of the hierarchy itself and those in it - how and why it functions, which is what Political Ponerology explains very well. You don't have to have direct proof of the existance of some higher-level members to know that they exist, and not because you believe or blindly assume, but because it is the only way it can be due to the very nature of the system itself and how it works at all levels, as sleepyvinny said. I see little point in identifying them, and in fact, it may be a very bad idea. I remember even the C's refused to tell Laura any names when asked, warning that it only guarantees a quick trip to 5th density, and does not benefit her at all to know - and so it is with all of us. We must be wise as serpents, gentle as doves.

We have the president, bankers, the official secret "shadow government" that Bush setup after 911, the coporations, groups like skull and bones, the masons, etc. And this is all public knowledge, even though some groups we only know exist without knowing the members, what goes on, and how far up they go. Let's not forget the groups that have to deal with things like UFOs' etc (Roswell for example), all sorts of "CIA-type" groups that function in complete secrecy to conduct espionage and all sorts of dirty political games with other nations and with the people in their own nation. And we know that all of the above function as a strict hierarchy, whether at the lower levels of individual agents or higher levels of generals/presidents/etc. We also know that psychopaths don't care about official rules or laws, and that they are all about lying and manipulating others - they'll do anything and everything to get power, if they can get away with it. So, knowing just that alone, we can logically deduce that the secret hierarchy of control extends very very far, perhaps without any end as it reaches into hyperdimensional levels and beyond. And based on all that we know that *is* public knowledge and how secretive and terrifyingly totalitarian it is, and based on our understanding of psychopaths/those in power and how they do things, the idea that the power structure secretly extends very far up is not just a theory, it is a fact. And I think understanding this is the important part, but identifying exactly who they are is not important, and can be dangerous.

And our approach to "battling" this is spreading the information that is vital to know, that is, recognizing the nature of psychopaths, nature of ourselves, nature of the world. And this is partly what separates this group from the likes of Alex Jones, who may preach about this or that secret group or the NWO, always pointing fingers at some groups and individual people as the "bad guys" responsible for all the world's ills, when in reality, it is all psychopaths and our blindness to their very nature and their influence on us that is responsible. Groups can be replaced like spare tires when needed, they don't matter. We need to address our blindness to the idea of psychopaths itself, and how and why they do what they do, and also our assumptions about ourselves and the world at large, osit.
 
Torpid said:
I was in fact more in line with searching for what sleepy was discussing, but in a more tangible way. It would seem the trail of events throughout history indicates intelligent intervention at key points that have been leading us to a future goal, and Im wondering if this is the unconcious mistake of the political demons we knowingly face, or if some invisible force intervenes on their actions. I've heard allot of people indicate they believe its high level bankers, but perhaps im looking for one level above that. Ill go ahead and read Pp now.
well.... in that case you would probably be very interested in all the material in 'Secret History of the World', or at very least 'The Wave' which is freely available online here.
 
If you were to find out the names of those at the top, the real names, how long do you think you would live to report on them?
 
henry said:
If you were to find out the names of those at the top, the real names, how long do you think you would live to report on them?
You'd live for as long as you kept making the mistakes that would bring them closer to their goals. Its more dangerous to kill you as soon as you find out because they can't be sure you didn't carry some intelligence and cleverness, because killing you would only verify anything you've managed to leave behind, it would be smarter to watch you and kill you of natural causes after they've smothered any semblance of a possible threat out of you, no?

I more interested in whether they exist, or if our accelerated walk on the path to (wherever you believe we're going) is fault of minor puppets and mankind in general...
 
Torpid said:
You'd live for as long as you kept making the mistakes that would bring them closer to their goals. Its more dangerous to kill you as soon as you find out because they can't be sure you didn't carry some intelligence and cleverness, because killing you would only verify anything you've managed to leave behind, it would be smarter to watch you and kill you of natural causes after they've smothered any semblance of a possible threat out of you, no?
well I was going to say that it would be better for them to kill you straight away before you become known, and so before killing you might raise suspicion/credibility surrounding your work. but actually, there is a certain (psychopathic) merit to keeping someone around, then gently manipulating them in such a way that they are vectored into subtly discrediting or undermining their OWN work. I think there are many examples of that, where someone has started off on the path of discovery, then been vectored in a certain way, and the threat 'diffused'.

Torpid said:
I more interested in whether they exist, or if our accelerated walk on the path to (wherever you believe we're going) is fault of minor puppets and mankind in general...
whether they exist is something that is well supported by a wide variety of evidence, over a long timescale, cummulating in important modern studies which are pretty persuasive, such as the brain scans of the limbic system discussed by the likes of Robert Hare.

edit: ah slight cross-purposes going on in my post here: i was talking about pschopaths, but actually you wwere talking about 'secret upper echelons of power'. still, I think it amounts to the same thing, so I'll leave my comments in ;)

Whether 'what is going on' is the fault of just the psychos, or of 'mankind in general' may be less clear cut - does culpability include merely being oblivious to things that are going on, and thereby endorsing them 'by default'? but the work on Ponerology goes a long way to describe (in considerable detail) how the normal people are repeatedly duped by the pathological. And of course the line that "we're all at fault" is the classic hook used by monothestic religions to keep everyone in line. So, the weight of evidence again suggests that YES, pathological individuals ARE responsible for the major events of our time.
 
torpid said:
I more interested in whether they exist, or if our accelerated walk on the path to (wherever you believe we're going) is fault of minor puppets and mankind in general...
Read 'Secret History of the World' - it's very difficult to walk away from reading that book without a firm understanding of 'whether they exist'.
 

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