The Milky Way does the Wave! Recent study

[sacriface]

http://www.sott.net/article/267895-The-Milky-Way-does-the-Wave

Well, what does that sound like to people in this house? :)

Besides the non-linear nature of this so mysterious an idea of 'The Wave' would it also manifest in such a way in our galaxy?

It's quite an amazing possibility, IMO..

 

[mada85]

http://www.sott.net/article/267895-The-Milky-Way-does-the-Wave

Well, what does that sound like to people in this house? :)

Besides the non-linear nature of this so mysterious an idea of 'The Wave' would it also manifest in such a way in our galaxy?

It's quite an amazing possibility, IMO..

I'm not sure that this is the Wave, per se. It might be how the galaxy 'breathes'.

 

[sacriface]

I'm not sure that this is the Wave, per se. It might be how the galaxy 'breathes'.

That's fair enough as well.

However, given that "the complexity of motions observed by the team is similar to that seen among molecules in a gas with a sound wave passing through it" and with their proposal of it resulting from a long ago collision, would indicate something more erratic.. ?

They did call this waving "anomalous" for some reason, however that might be due to all the wrong models mainstream science relies on.. The bottom line is that no one knows enough to determine what this is, unless the C's would care for a suggestion.

 

[Palinurus]

In Dutch reports about this (like this one for instance) they compare it to a flag waving in a gentle breeze; i.e. some sort of rippling effect. FWIW.

 

[sacriface]

In Dutch reports about this (like this one for instance) they compare it to a flag waving in a gentle breeze; i.e. some sort of rippling effect. FWIW.

The interesting thing is that no one seemed to predict such kind of movement resultant from present modelling. It is still hard to tell if this could be something new to the present explanations of the dynamics of the galaxy, or something new, recent, for the galaxy itself.

I'm curious about any further conclusions.

 

[Leòmhann]

... from the article:

May 31, 1997
Frank, Laura, Alice.

[...]

A: Gravity does not "travel."

Q: Well, when you say that gravity 'supercedes' light speed, what exactly do you mean?

A: Gravity is equally located in all realms at once, in space/time.

Q: Now, the possible answer is that gravity travels as a phase, while light travels as a 'bunch' of waves. Is this the correct understanding?

A: The gravity wave is merely a "ripple" in the omnipresent fabric; the base energy facilitator.

Q: What is a fabric base facilitator?

A: Gravity is the fabric, and energy facilitator as well.

Q: If gravity is the fabric, base and facilitator, what is being facilitated?

A: You read it wrong. It is base, as in "basic" energy facilitator.

Q: How does gravity facilitate... (A) What does it facilitate?

A: We have told you before that gravity is the foundational force of absolutely everything!!! This means at all density levels, all dimensions...It is the "stuff" of all existence. Without it, nothing would exist. Your thoughts are based in gravity, too!!

 

[psychegram]

Well, if this Galactic wave is indeed related to the Wave somehow, then one might reasonably expect that the Galactic wave would have some specific relationship to the Solar System.

The free version of the paper is available on arXiv:

The wobbly Galaxy: kinematics north and south with RAVE red-clump giants
Williams et al., 2013
_http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.2468v2.pdf

It appears that the wave is essentially a regular vertical motion with respect to the Galactic disk (shown in Fig. 13, which I can't figure out how to attach). In the conclusion of the paper was the following statement:

The behaviour of VZ shows a surprising complexity suggestive of a wave of compression and rarefaction: there is a ridge of higher VZ passing at an angle of 40◦ to the plane, intersecting the plane at roughly the solar radius[/quote]

Of course, the Galactic wave is somewhat coarsely resolved, but such are the limits of astronomy. Still. Interesting.

Maybe this is worth posing to the Cs?

 

[shijing]

Since they also describe the Wave as being a gravity wave [...]

I'm not sure that this part is true -- the two seem to be distinguished in the following:

Q: (A) But I am confused because if gravity waves are instantaneous, then how come we are waiting for a gravity wave that is coming...
A: The instantaneous nature of it is that which is perceived if one has the necessary equipment. After all, you know by now that gravity has the feature of “bending” time, space, light, etc.

Q: (A) So the wave that is supposed to come is NOT instantaneous.
(L) Are you talking about The Wave?
(A) The Wave.
(L) I don’t think they ever said it was a gravity wave.
A: Correct Laura.

Q: (L) If I remember correctly, they said it was a wave of ‘hyperkinetic sensate.’
A: Yes.

 

[sacriface]

Since they also describe the Wave as being a gravity wave [...]

I'm not sure that this part is true -- the two seem to be distinguished in the following:

Q: (A) But I am confused because if gravity waves are instantaneous, then how come we are waiting for a gravity wave that is coming...
A: The instantaneous nature of it is that which is perceived if one has the necessary equipment. After all, you know by now that gravity has the feature of “bending” time, space, light, etc.

Q: (A) So the wave that is supposed to come is NOT instantaneous.
(L) Are you talking about The Wave?
(A) The Wave.
(L) I don’t think they ever said it was a gravity wave.
A: Correct Laura.

Q: (L) If I remember correctly, they said it was a wave of ‘hyperkinetic sensate.’
A: Yes.

Yes, I also kept in mind the non linear nature of the 'The Wave', just thought that this recent discovery could be one of the manifestations of it approaching, as one of many besides the hyperkinetic sensate, such as various linearly observable earth and space changes that the C's attributed already to The Wave.

Many times the breadth of changes in the cosmos in relation to The Wave has been emphasized by the C's, and this (if it is something new rather than a new discovery of something that was 'always' there) phenomenon could be the first portent of a galaxy-wide magnitude. This is all just pondering possibilities, so my apologies if it could be considered noise by anyone.

 

[mkrnhr]

What they mean by a gravity wave is just mechanical oscillations. The medium components are bound by attraction forces and a perturbation of the system close to equilibrium tends to produce oscillations around the state of equilibrium. The Sun and solar system is known to oscillate around the galactic plane and that's one of the causes of the periodic perturbation of Oort cloud according to certain models.

 

[Ina]

Milky Way galaxy is fluttering like a flag - New Scientist

Hi Everyone,

Perhaps it is because of the new or improved technology that scientists discover 'new' phenomena, or perhaps there is a genuine phenomenon that has been observed and after doing the rounds of the more professional magazines it is also reported in a popular science magazine. It is mostly written in plain English and as such will surely go unnoticed by the majority of readers. I apologise in advance if it does not generate the same enthusiasm for everyone. Below I quote the first paragraph and the weblink.

"Our galaxy seems to be more milkshake than Milky Way, opening up a fresh cosmic mystery. A three-dimensional map of the speeds and distances of thousands of stars suggests that they are all shaken up and that the galaxy is undulating up and down, but no one knows why. The wavy motion could be driven by previous collisions with smaller galaxies or by clumps of dark matter. Figuring out the cause will tell us more about the Milky Way's history and will inform future surveys of our galactic home."
[size=8pt]Michael Slezak, Milky Way galaxy is fluttering like a flag - New Scientist, 18:43 24 October 2013[/size]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24464-milky-way-galaxy-is-fluttering-like-a-flag.html?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=SOC&utm_campaign=hoot&cmpid=SOC%7CNSNS%7C2013-GLOBAL-hoot#.UmvP9vkXGSo

 

[sacriface]

Re: Milky Way galaxy is fluttering like a flag - New Scientist

Hi Ina,

There already is a thread about this right here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,32865.0.html

No definite conclusions were reached, however, we ponder. :)

 

[Ina]

Re: Milky Way galaxy is fluttering like a flag - New Scientist

Hi ametist,

Certainly, I should have thought that information here is very up to date. :)

:)

 

[sacriface]

Re: Milky Way galaxy is fluttering like a flag - New Scientist

It is, users exercise the "pay attention" principle, with the help of associated sott.net news website, have you been there?

It's not like you were very late with that one as well :)

 

[psychegram]

Yes, I also kept in mind the non linear nature of the 'The Wave', just thought that this recent discovery could be one of the manifestations of it approaching, as one of many besides the hyperkinetic sensate, such as various linearly observable earth and space changes that the C's attributed already to The Wave.

Many times the breadth of changes in the cosmos in relation to The Wave has been emphasized by the C's, and this (if it is something new rather than a new discovery of something that was 'always' there) phenomenon could be the first portent of a galaxy-wide magnitude. This is all just pondering possibilities, so my apologies if it could be considered noise by anyone.

That makes sense to me: as the Wave approaches, Universe provides portents of its approach through various symbolic means. The discovery of this Galactic wave could be one example of this. In this case I don't think it's even necessary that the Galactic wave be a new phenomenon: what is significant is that we have become aware of it at this time.