The Prayer of all Preyers: "See No Evil"

JGeropoulas

The Living Force
After years feasting on the steady diet of truth served daily on SOTT, I found myself in a complex wrestling match with a "petty tyrant" who is also a text-book psychopath (is that always redundant?). The "complex" part has been, this tyrant is my younger sister whom I discovered had embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars from my trusting father. Historically, this sister and I have never really had a cross word. But the reason we've always "gotten along", I've realized recently, is because I've intuitively just disregarded most of what she's said for the past 50 years! But, it's even easier now - I disregard everything she says.

I say "text-book" because she meets nearly every criteria on Robert Hare's psychopathy checklist ( http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-605464.html ). In fact, at a family gathering when I told everyone that "riddle" Laura had posted (a screening question for psychopathy, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4508 ), this sister answered it in 3 seconds. (I'd given up after 2 days pondering it!)

And looking back, I think the reason I've disregarded my sister all these years, is because I've intuitively sensed she's not "real." I see her as an automaton cloaked in lively religious fervency. She's really just an outer shell of a person--the classic self-righteous Pharisee, "a white-washed sepulcher, full of dead men's bones." Even when I look at her, she appears almost like a hologram or a "fuzzy photo-copy" of a person.

As such, she's oblivious to the emotional world of "real" people, so she obnoxiously tells everyone, "why, what, where, and how" to live their lives. And when someone finally reacts to it all, she has the most baffled expression on her face. But her expression doesn't appear to reflect concern about how she might have hurt the person, but more of someone calculating how to reapproach to get what she's after (and she's always, always after something--usually control, money, or influence).

Of course, she's "active in her church" (because "there's no rest for the wicked"), well-liked by many, and known for her "good works." Her duped friends have said to me, "she'd give you the shirt off her back. She'd do anything for you." To which I mentally respond, "No, she'd give you the shirt of MY back, and she'd do anything for you so she could get something FROM you!"

After auditing my father's books for 2 months, I've discovered that she's as crafty as a spider, tenacious as a vampire, opportunistic as a snake, predatory as a shark, and insidious as a virus. And as dangerous as a "wolf in sheep's clothing." Their brazen lying is truly one of the most amazing traits of a psychopath.

But all that said, one day I scolded my mother and normal sister, that neither grieving my father's death, nor out-maneuvering the tyrant-sister was draining me nearly as much as was de-programming them every other day from the mind-bending lies they'd hear--lies amazingly customized to confuse my 83-year-old grieving mother (who "just wants to believe the best about others") and my overly-compassionate nurse sister (who "hates to hurt people").

Confirming the finding that psychopaths recognize they're different from others, this sister once noted, she couldn't believe "how different" we three siblings were. That's because my normal sister and I have a strong conscience. Speaking of which, I recently read that the literal meaning of "con-science" is "self-knowledge"-- interesting to ponder, especially considering the adjectives we commonly attach (e.g. "darkened, defiled, warped, good, clear, enlightened).

Some of the best advice around is this: "Get the log out of your own eye, then you can see to get the speck out of your brother's." Otherwise, you've got "the blind leading the blind," which is bad enough. But psychopaths add a special twist:

First, to disarm you by evoking sympathy, they'd recount tales of all the logs they'd gotten out of their eyes (and likely, so narcissistic as to include even the genus and species of each log). Thus qualified, they'd heroically then offer to get the speck out of your eye--only then to viciously gouge your out your eye, blame you for having two, remind you can still see out of one of them--and then scream that you quit screaming because they've got a headache!

So, even though I've been a practicing psychologist for 18 years, had I not been alerted and so well prepared by Laura's research and writing on the subject, I wouldn't have been able--much less, willing, to see what was brazenly obvious to anyone in the family being objective (try finding a better oxymoron than that!).

Thanks to learning the truth about the psychopaths among us, I've been able to guide my mother and normal sister through dozens of strategic ploys thrown in our paths. It has actually become, as I believe Laura once described it, "fun" being one step ahead of my tyrant-sister--a feat NO one, including my parents, has EVER been able to do. Part of the "fun" has been that this "wrestling match" has become a "learning lab" from which I've been able to teach many essential truths to my budding-STO family members.

After my father transitioned to 5th Density, it was sadly-amusing when I found a little "bubble-gum machine" charm he'd banished "out of sight" to the back of a drawer. The charm was the proverbial little monkey, using his own hands to cover his own eyes--aptly engraved "See No Evil"! Can you think of a better symbol of the treachery we commit against ourselves? Is that STS programming "good"-- or what?!

Much thanks to Laura for staying true to the "Mission" she accepted after she got through that "cleft in the rock": To always speak only the truth.
 
JGeropoulas said:
But all that said, one day I scolded my mother and normal sister, that neither grieving my father's death, nor out-maneuvering the tyrant-sister was draining me nearly as much as was de-programming them every other day from the mind-bending lies they'd hear--lies amazingly customized to confuse my 83-year-old grieving mother (who "just wants to believe the best about others") and my overly-compassionate nurse sister (who "hates to hurt people").
What about their free will? You are scolding them and "de-programming" them, but is that what they want? If they are not seeking the truth, what right do you have to scold them and attempt to "shove it into them"?

JGeropoulas said:
Some of the best advice around is this: "Get the log out of your own eye, then you can see to get the speck out of your brother's."
I think that's twisted from what the actual Biblical quote says. Your version implies the violation of your brother's free will. No one can get the log out of anyone else's eyes, because that means controlling someone else. The actual quote is: "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

JGeropoulas said:
Otherwise, you've got "the blind leading the blind," which is bad enough.
How about leading by example, and not by forcing others to do as you want them to?
 
ScioAgapeOmnis said:
JGeropoulas said:
Some of the best advice around is this: "Get the log out of your own eye, then you can see to get the speck out of your brother's."
I think that's twisted from what the actual Biblical quote says. Your version implies the violation of your brother's free will. No one can get the log out of anyone else's eyes, because that means controlling someone else. The actual quote is: "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"
Maybe it's probably just quibbling, but JGeropoulas seems to have been quoting from Matthew 7:5, whereas ScioAgapeOmnis is quoting from Matthew 7:3 - so I don't think he was twisting a Biblical quotation. Of course, context counts for a great deal here: the point is to avoid hypocrisy - i.e. in fighting against psychopathic predatory behaviour, you don't want to start exhibiting such behaviour yourself. After all, it's kinda catching! But the C's talk about knowledge protecting, of course, and JGeropoulas seemed to be simply sharing a bit of knowledge; he wasn't even trying to effect a change in his sister ...

That's not to say that people won't be resistant to being given such knowledge or advice - so perhaps external considering here would back off a little bit to allow others the use of their free will. I guess it's a fine balance, and it's not, of course, supposed to be easy.

Osit - just my 2p :)
 
ScioAgapeOmnis said:
JGeropoulas said:
But all that said, one day I scolded my mother and normal sister, that neither grieving my father's death, nor out-maneuvering the tyrant-sister was draining me nearly as much as was de-programming them every other day from the mind-bending lies they'd hear--lies amazingly customized to confuse my 83-year-old grieving mother (who "just wants to believe the best about others") and my overly-compassionate nurse sister (who "hates to hurt people").
What about their free will? You are scolding them and "de-programming" them, but is that what they want? If they are not seeking the truth, what right do you have to scold them and attempt to "shove it into them"?

JGeropoulas said:
Some of the best advice around is this: "Get the log out of your own eye, then you can see to get the speck out of your brother's."
I think that's twisted from what the actual Biblical quote says. Your version implies the violation of your brother's free will. No one can get the log out of anyone else's eyes, because that means controlling someone else. The actual quote is: "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

JGeropoulas said:
Otherwise, you've got "the blind leading the blind," which is bad enough.
How about leading by example, and not by forcing others to do as you want them to?
Aren't the tactics uses by psychopaths to entrap their victims and then the consequences suffered by the victims in and of themselves depriving their victims of their free will?

In the situation described by Geropoulas, his normal sister and his 83 year old grieving mother have only the information provided by the psychopathic sister. Operating on such
specious information, how can they possibly exercise free will?

If someone is bitten by a snake, and someone else has the antidote, and the person bitten is not lucid enough to make a decision, is the person who administers the antidote without consultion violating that person's free will?

Could it be that normal rules don't operate in psychopathic situations because the psychopath operates outside the norm?

The fact that normal people can't think like psychopaths do opens the door to manipulation,
and destruction.

It is painful; there is denial, but what is the alternative? To let the psychopath continue on her course, a course that's so relentless, that her lies need to be confronted everyday?

Geropoulas said:
So, even though I've been a practicing psychologist for 18 years, had I not been alerted and so well prepared by Laura's research and writing on the subject, I wouldn't have been able--much less, willing, to see what was brazenly obvious to anyone in the family being objective. . .

{b]Thanks to learning the truth about the psychopaths among us, I've been able to guide my mother and normal sister through dozens of strategic ploys thrown in our paths. It has actually become, as I believe Laura once described it, "fun" being one step ahead of my tyrant-sister--a feat NO one, including my parents, has EVER been able to do.
Part of the "fun" has been that this "wrestling match" has become a "learning lab" from which I've been able to teach many essential truths to my budding-STO family members.
Isn't this a perfect example of "Knowledge Protects."
 
ScioAgapeOmnis said:
JGeropoulas said:
But all that said, one day I scolded my mother and normal sister, that neither grieving my father's death, nor out-maneuvering the tyrant-sister was draining me nearly as much as was de-programming them every other day from the mind-bending lies they'd hear--lies amazingly customized to confuse my 83-year-old grieving mother (who "just wants to believe the best about others") and my overly-compassionate nurse sister (who "hates to hurt people").
What about their free will? You are scolding them and "de-programming" them, but is that what they want? If they are not seeking the truth, what right do you have to scold them and attempt to "shove it into them"?
I would say that being in a position where one is responsible for an aged parent requires some special handling. This is a fine line to walk, but many people find themselves in similar positions. I can't fault this approach, considering the circumstances.

Never forget: There is good and there is evil and there is the SPECIFIC SITUATION that determines which is which.
 
Hi guys, I have put a reply in this thread:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8626.msg61703#msg61703

It's pretty lengthy and I don't want to hijack this thread away from JG's situation, which to his credit he is handling much better than I am managing mine! That makes the whole getting the log out of my eye before pointing out specks in others' quote ironically apt.
 
webglider said:
In the situation described by Geropoulas, his normal sister and his 83 year old grieving mother have only the information provided by the psychopathic sister. Operating on such
specious information, how can they possibly exercise free will?
Precisely! I agree -- in this situation we are talking about giving people their choice back, not imposing your will on them. Now, what they choose to do with all of the information provided, whatever decision they make, is up to them -- but at least now they have something else to lean on to in their already frail and vulnerable condition.

I also think Laura is right about elderly people requiring special care. Too often a person, even one who was sharp as a tack in her youth, after hitting certain advanced age suddenly becomes very gullible and at the same time rigid in her thinking. This is why so many scam artists target retirees and the elderly. Which is especially dangerous for them bc their resources and health are often limited. Extra care is definitely required.
 
ScioAgapeOmnis said:
What about their free will? You are scolding them and "de-programming" them, but is that what they want? If they are not seeking the truth, what right do you have to scold them and attempt to "shove it into them"?
Agreed. I'm never inclined to shove anything, unless it's to shove back against whatever or whoever encroaches on the free will of myself or another (i.e. "evil" "entropic" forces") -- a principle expressed well in this well-known quote: "All that's required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

Using the word "scolded" really misrepresented what I actually did. I haven't scolded anyone since my daughters were young 25 years ago. I should have said something like "playfully chided" my mother and sister, for we 3 have a loving, affectionate bond among us. And you won't find a stronger advocate of respecting free will than me. My mother and good-sister have exercised their free will to appoint me (the oldest child, the only son) Power of Attorney and Trustee so that I may lead them through the process of settling my father's estate.
 
Just responding to your title line (but thanks for the entire informative post) the whole effort to deny corruption only makes it easier for the predators. Since no one is looking for corruption (I'm talking about Americans here) it's even easier for the corrupt. To get others to see them you have to get the witnesses over two hurdles, first to recognize that corruption exists and is common, second to see the specific corrupt actor. I was raised and taught in school that corruption basically didn't exist in America or was beaten historically. This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm sure the corruption of this era is just as common as any other era in our history.

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