The Truth about Patriarchy?

[Approaching Infinity]

Since first reading Ponerology and all the research here in support of it, my understanding of "patriarchy" has changed a lot. The concept always seemed somewhat simplistic to me. Is it really males that account for the evil nature of "patriarchy"? I understood as a youth that many men did not fit the "patriarchal" model, so what was the deal?

It seems to me that the birth of patriarchy was probably the birth of pathology, a time in history in which Religion (i.e. harmonious existence with understanding of humanity and cosmos) ceased to provide people with the necessary tools and unified framework to stay mentally healthy. But at some point, psychopathy was introduced. As far as we can tell, psychopaths are predominately male. Lacking the ability to feel, they scorn deep emotion and view it as weakness. As such, they stamp out that weakness. Whereas previously society promoted integration on a higher level (through emotional depth), psychopathy now promoted integration at a low level, through emotional retardation and trauma.

Lacking connection with higher sources, this was devastating for humanity. This was in effect a "take-over" by 4D STS. By ceasing to align with creativity, balance, harmony, humanity now resonated with entropy, chaos, and discord. As above so below. As such, this system was specifically designed (not necessarily by human agents, but by their higher-dimensional counterparts) to target those with the most potential for soul development, i.e. those with emotional sensitivity and depth, with insight into humanity and compassion. The psychopath can easily be traced as the first in the causal chain of pathology, I think. As fathers they dominate over their possessions (i.e. wives and children). They do not allow any real demonstration of emotion. The eradicate "weakness" and force their sons to become "strong men" (i.e. stupid brutes). Their daughters have the soul beaten out of them and they come to identify with the male-psychopath-dominator model, hating themselves.

Those without soul genetics survive and are called "resilient" simply because they don't have the depth or insight to See the wrongness of the situation. Those who become damaged by such a system are then labeled as mentally ill or antisocial, as are those who manage to survive and grow, despite the torture.

One conclusion to be drawn from this is that if "feminism" is going to be successful, and not just another co-opted schizoidal ideology, it must recognize the root of patriarchy: psychopathy. And only then can REAL men and women work together to start fixing this broken society.

 

[Voyageur]

Approaching Infinity;

Your words are very insightful and indeed probably speak to the core bifurcation in humanity, the branch divided. The telltale signs permeate societies in so many constructs, socio economic, education, class/cast systems, of course religion and all other human modalities that are divisively tampered with by social design.

Humanities predominantly patriarch handlers have had much time to prefect social engineering on all levels, i.e. social game theory if you like. It is rather chilling knowing, as Gurdjieff describes human’s suggestibility, envisioning handlers with the tools of the day calculating the inputs and outputs of humanity as if on a slide ruler and engineering shocks or anything else possible to move us at will. Looking at it thus, it is easy to see just how susceptible humanity is to this dark touch, knowing that substances of religion mixed with emotion, fear and a constant barrage of whatever else makes our general social movements precognitive.

Whether reaching back into time or forward, the lords of the day knew and know well what enables their causes and rewards certain human actions on their behalf, actions that are conducive to their will, advancing in society this mental pathology or as you described, like a continued resiliency that is fostered for future growth.

Today, like in darker ages, the patriarchy driving the inquisitions of those burning times are repeated and repeated but the methods are so much more subtle; it’s not now so much as what was done to us, the rub is that we do it now to ourselves au mass and recognize it not.

The Hulu videos discussed in another forum may show this in a brazen way and mock us.

 

[truth seeker]

Lacking connection with higher sources, this was devastating for humanity. This was in effect a "take-over" by 4D STS. By ceasing to align with creativity, balance, harmony, humanity now resonated with entropy, chaos, and discord. As above so below. As such, this system was specifically designed (not necessarily by human agents, but by their higher-dimensional counterparts) to target those with the most potential for soul development, i.e. those with emotional sensitivity and depth, with insight into humanity and compassion. The psychopath can easily be traced as the first in the causal chain of pathology, I think. As fathers they dominate over their possessions (i.e. wives and children). They do not allow any real demonstration of emotion. The eradicate "weakness" and force their sons to become "strong men" (i.e. stupid brutes). Their daughters have the soul beaten out of them and they come to identify with the male-psychopath-dominator model, hating themselves.

Those without soul genetics survive and are called "resilient" simply because they don't have the depth or insight to See the wrongness of the situation. Those who become damaged by such a system are then labeled as mentally ill or antisocial, as are those who manage to survive and grow, despite the torture.

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Today, like in darker ages, the patriarchy driving the inquisitions of those burning times are repeated and repeated but the methods are so much more subtle; it’s not now so much as what was done to us, the rub is that we do it now to ourselves au mass and recognize it not.

Absolutely! This is the way to get people to enslave themselves. Anyone who "steps out of line" is "crazy". I've really been thinking about the terms antisocial and loner. I think what it really is is an attempt of the individual to protect theirself from undergoing further damage yet when someone does this the control system automatically appears to drag you back in it. I've been asked "Don't you like people?" Unfortunately, you can't engage in a rational discussion like this because many people are deeply entrenched in the world view. They don't realize that they or anyone else can have beliefs that differ from what the mainstream "thinks".

One conclusion to be drawn from this is that if "feminism" is going to be successful, and not just another co-opted schizoidal ideology, it must recognize the root of patriarchy: psychopathy. And only then can REAL men and women work together to start fixing this broken society.

As a woman, I've always thought there was something fundamentally wrong with feminism. Instead of creating a wonderful opportunity for men and women to really begin to understand each other and promote unity, it did quite the opposite. It created anger on both sides and widened the schism. I wondered why there are still many of the same problems when feminism or equality of the sexes is so rampant. I eventually came to the conclusion that the problem was in the minds of the individuals. Just as there are people who consider themselves "liberals" who deep in their hearts/minds hold racist beliefs (in this case meaning that some deserve to have more than others), it's quite the same with feminists. Some women unconsciously embrace their anger of "the system" and mistakenly direct it towards men (and at times other women) thinking that's where the problem lies. It's the same with minority groups in some cases - they think the problem is white people. They look at history and conclude that the illusion presented (which is that they are all racist) all these years is real.

One thing I found funny was that this system also works to keep individuals of the same race, sex and religions (belief systems) separate from each other as well using the very same methods. If you're a minority, one method of control is to tell someone who doesn't fit the "norm" that they're "trying to be white". For some reason in this context it was easier for me to analyze and see it for what it really was - a method of control! What I still wasn't getting at was the source. Now knowing what's really behind it neutralized the power I was allowing it to have over me and I no longer felt anger at my fellow man because even though it initially felt personal,it wasn't!

This where having genuine conversations/networking with many different people becomes a crucial first step (in my opinion) in breaking through that idea. Once you start to see that not everyone is "out to get you", you start to question what you think you know and begin to look deeper and get closer to the truth.

 

[RyanX]

It seems to me that the birth of patriarchy was probably the birth of pathology, a time in history in which Religion (i.e. harmonious existence with understanding of humanity and cosmos) ceased to provide people with the necessary tools and unified framework to stay mentally healthy. But at some point, psychopathy was introduced. As far as we can tell, psychopaths are predominately male. Lacking the ability to feel, they scorn deep emotion and view it as weakness. As such, they stamp out that weakness. Whereas previously society promoted integration on a higher level (through emotional depth), psychopathy now promoted integration at a low level, through emotional retardation and trauma.

I recently finished reading Merlin Stone's When God was a Woman. Her main thesis is that the religious myths of the goddess were slowly co-opted by the male religions from the "northern peoples" in the distant past (2-3k BC?). The many goddess myths were supposedly re-written by the male dominated religion in such a way to make the goddess religions appear harmful or sinful. Sex was made taboo and a sin in the eyes of the male priests, whereas before it was consider a sacred act, performed quite liberally in the goddess temples according to Stone.

What is interesting about her book is that the female/goddess religions still showed signs of pathology, although not nearly on the same scale and in a different form than the male dominated religions we see today. Their ritual killing or castration of the goddesses consort and what seemed as an overemphasis on sex seem to show that not all was perfect with the female religions. Males who lived and worked in the goddess temples sometimes castrated themselves to supposedly fit in better with the female dominated religion.

Given the fact that psychopathy is much less prevalent in females than males, this makes sense that the female religions would be less likely to incite extreme violence or warfare in the way that the male dominated religions have in our time - or at least not at the same frequency that we see today. In fact, according to Stone, violence was the chief means by which the male dominated religions forced themselves upon the populations of Mesopotamia and other surrounding areas - conquering the religion of the goddess. Was this another instance of the bigger psychopath winning over the smaller ones?

So I think the point is that pathological religion is pathological religion, regardless of whether it is male or female dominated. Most feminists haven't caught on to the fact that women did play a much larger role in the religious and administrative roles in the distant past and not everything was hunky-dory at that time. The understanding missing all along has been psychopathy, OSIT.

 

[Elly Kay]

As a woman, I've always thought there was something fundamentally wrong with feminism. Instead of creating a wonderful opportunity for men and women to really begin to understand each other and promote unity, it did quite the opposite. It created anger on both sides and widened the schism. I wondered why there are still many of the same problems when feminism or equality of the sexes is so rampant. I eventually came to the conclusion that the problem was in the minds of the individuals. Just as there are people who consider themselves "liberals" who deep in their hearts/minds hold racist beliefs (in this case meaning that some deserve to have more than others), it's quite the same with feminists. Some women unconsciously embrace their anger of "the system" and mistakenly direct it towards men (and at times other women) thinking that's where the problem lies. It's the same with minority groups in some cases - they think the problem is white people. They look at history and conclude that the illusion presented (which is that they are all racist) all these years is real.

I agree with your comment in respect to misplaced anger. This is something I've been working on myself with for a while. I think if knowledge of psychopathy were to be integrated into civil liberties movements it would definitely strengthen them.

While feminism may be problematic in that it may encourage in some individuals misplaced aggression, there are branches of feminism, such as anarcha-feminism which acknowledge that sexism and racism are mainly a problem of hierarchal power structure. To what extent psychopathy is acknowledged in these circles, I'm currently unaware of.

From what I've observed it's not as simple as feminists being angry. One of the problems is that such a hierarchal system bestows perceived benefits on those who either consciously or unconsciously choose to enforce it for the controllers at the apex of the power structure. I recently read a very succinct summary at Shakesville (blog) and I'll try to paraphrase it here: A father beats his children of which are male and female. He convinces the male children that they will be beaten less severely if they agree to beat their sisters.

So herein the problem lies, directing misplaced aggression for some leads to a higher rung on the ladder, sotospeak, or at the very least, maintains one's current position. For others, aggression leads nowhere or can be vectored by controllers.

 

[monksgirl]

has anyone on this thread read Steve Taylor's 'The Fall' about the beginnings of psychopathy after an environmental disaster about 6000 BC ?

 

[shijing]

has anyone on this thread read Steve Taylor's 'The Fall' about the beginnings of psychopathy after an environmental disaster about 6000 BC ?

I'd never heard of it, but it sounds interesting -- could you tell us a bit more about it?

 

[RyanX]

has anyone on this thread read Steve Taylor's 'The Fall' about the beginnings of psychopathy after an environmental disaster about 6000 BC ?

I'd never heard of it, but it sounds interesting -- could you tell us a bit more about it?

That does sound interesting.

Here is the link to the book on Amazon:

_http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Insanity-Human-History-Dawning/dp/1905047207

Here's what the top reviewer says:

[quote author=Amazon]
I bought this book after reading Eckhart Tolle's endorsement: "A fascinating and important book on the origin, development and the imminent demise of the ego...Highly readable and enlightening, as the author's acute mind is imbued with the higher faculty of spiritual awareness." Eckhart Tolle's books have changed my life so I was sure this book would be important for me too, and haven't been wrong. I've read it through over the last three days and feel also though my whole outlook on the world has been altered. This book is a complete revisioning of human history from a spiritual point of view, seeing human history in terms of the development of the ego, looking at how the ego has given rise to thousands of years of violence and oppression. Taylor looks in turn at warfare, male domination, social inequality, alienation from the body, abuse of the natural world and so on, showing how the over-developed sense of ego produces these problems.

The book makes the important point - using a massive range of research - that earlier human beings and many of the world's native peoples - did not have our strong sense of self or ego and so were free from all of this disorder. The book's depiction of how the insanity of so much human behaviour is produced by the ego is riveting and extremely impressive. After reading this there is no way you can look at "normal" human behaviour in the same way. Taylor makes it absolutely clear that what we consider as normal is, in many ways, insane. And just as impressively, Taylor puts together an extremely good case for the idea that we are beginning to transcend the insanity of the ego and moving into a new era. This is one of those books which makes you look at the world in a new light, and gives you inspiration and hope for the future. Somehow it gives me the inspiration to try to fight for a better world, to contribute to the collective change which is taking place, and rekindle the state of harmony which the human race has lost.
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[monksgirl]

has anyone on this thread read Steve Taylor's 'The Fall' about the beginnings of psychopathy after an environmental disaster about 6000 BC ?

I'd never heard of it, but it sounds interesting -- could you tell us a bit more about it?

the basic core you will recognize- that human beings in the distant past lived on a more temperate 'edenic' earth, where competition for resources was unknown. And the gradual desertification of the area in Mesopotamia where humans lived ( he refers in book Saharasia) caused the outbreak of violence, inequality and oppression, along with beginning of nomadic lifestyles; as contrasted with the early peaceful farming cultures.