THE WORLD WE LIVE IN

[alberto]

I hear lots of people saying that the world we live in is getting worse.-that we humans are worst than ever ,that the world is upside down,that goverments are getting fascists ,etc.
I use to think that too until I open my eyes and saw the world for what it was and also I looked back and observed the way the world was before.
My conclusion is that the world and humans as well still the same.
People still abusing people,goverments still lying
We haven't learned anything .
We still making the same mistakes over and over.
Maybe we hear about it more because of technology but we still the same.
I also think that the abuse we experience and the awful things that hapen to us WE in many ways aloud this to happen.
People refuse to learn,refuse to listen and most of all refuse the seek for the truth.
I think 2 major factors are religion and ignorance.
We advocate to help the people in need but they refuse to help themselves.
Why people keep having children that they do not want in the first place,that they can not provide for?Because of religion.
Most people never question anything they read,anything the watch on TV,ETC.
Most of us live a life that is already designed for us and we just take it.
Maybe when we start thinking we will start changing our reality
Maybe when we start making our own decisions and start using the free will that we have then
and only then we will be able to grow as people and make this world a better place.

 

[Cyre2067]

Heh read Secret History of the World-Laura Jadczyk-Knight, Political Ponerology - Andrew Lobaczewski and Controversy of Zion - Douglas Reed, that'll give ya some serious insights as to 'why' and 'how' we got where we are.

 

[henry]

Gurdjieff somewhere remarks about looking at nature and notes how many seeds a tree must put out to be able to produce even one new tree. It is the same thing for us. The number of people who can really understand what we are saying and see the true terror of the situation in the world is minimal. The world is as it is, a place for souls to come and learn their lessons, and nothing that we do is going to change that. Lessons are learned through suffering, a point a lot of folks don't want to admit, and so the world must be a vale of tears. If it wasn't, we wouldn't want to get out!

What we are here to do, or at least this is my take on it, is to align ourselves with one or the other of the fundamental forces of the universe: either Creation or Entropy. By studying the world, by making our choices in our own lives, we become expressions of that force, whichever one we have within us. By default, we are aligned with entropy, so to make the move and align ourselve with creation, we have to learn to look below the surface of things and develop our ability to discern between the two. Entropy often comes masked as Creation, and since we don't even know our own minds and can so often convince ourselve that selfish acts are acts of giving, the process of learnig to discern correctly is long and becomes ever more refined and subtle. Again, as Gurdjieff says, we are all doing what we do with the belief that we are doing good. Even George Bush!

So, yes, the world is much as you describe it. It has been that way for millennia. As individuals, all we can do is say "No, I want to get off!", and start working to look behind the veil. Such a choice has to be made by one person at a time. Much like the many seeds cast off by the tree, maybe only one will take root and grow.

 

[Pierre]

I hear lots of people saying that the world we live in is getting worse.-that we humans are worst than ever ,that the world is upside down,that goverments are getting fascists ,etc.
I use to think that too until I open my eyes and saw the world for what it was and also I looked back and observed the way the world was before.
My conclusion is that the world and humans as well still the same.
People still abusing people,goverments still lying
We haven't learned anything .
We still making the same mistakes over and over.

Indeed human beings have been slaves for millenia. Slaves of their beliefs, of their fears, of their programs,...

However, the fact that this situation has been the same for ages doesn't mean that it can't change.

Every event that has a beginning has also an end.

 

[Al Today]

Good for you Alberto, keep asking those questions, and searching for those answers. This forum could be considered a great classroom study hall where we can compare notes with each other on our quest for answers. In this thread, there were a couple points made that I need to pose questions on…

Lessons are learned through suffering

This may possibly be the case on this 3D STS BBM we currently inhabit. But, perhaps there is much more to the infinite than just this 3D STS scenario we now enjoy. There must be balance. Happy planets must be somewhere out there.?.?.? This may indeed be a planet of pain and sorrow, but how can it be said that lessons absolutely cannot be learned without pain?

Every event that has a beginning has also an end.

For both above quotes:
Perhaps on this 3D STS BBM these may be true, but can these absolute statements be proven? When considering that all may be cyclical, no beginning with no end, no good and no evil, our 3D language and mental faculties may not be able to comprehend the absolute truth. So keep an open mind that ALL IS POSSIBLE…

 

[Renaissance]

This may indeed be a planet of pain and sorrow, but how can it be said that lessons absolutely cannot be learned without pain?

I agree applying absolutes can be restrictive, however I think it's good to understand what kind of pain and suffering is used to learn some lessons. It's usually in facing our lies that we experience a necessary suffering, as Gurdjieff termed it. There's also unnecessary suffering which we can see in our addiction to negative emotions and those felt in the 'daily grind' and such. Since in some parts of our lives we're going to experience suffering no matter what, it might as well be of the necessary sort, which provides a capacity to get somewhere rather than going around in circles.

 

[NORDIC HEALER]

It is indeed a Wonderful thought and a much needed thought of Hope, that lessons probably can also be learned without extreme pain and suffering and anguish.

Perhaps it's also your "frame of mind" since there are things that some people go through that they honestly don't feel they were suffering any great anquish or pain from, that Others would sorely complain about from the beginning to the end.

For example when I am lifting heavy weights, I have learned to actually enjoy the unique kind of pain, (in fact I don't really consider it pain at all), one experiences in order to benefit later with improved strength, stamina, focus and overall physical conditioning from the exercises. The release of Endorphins also gives you a very pleasant euphoric high for awhile helping you to cope a lil' better with the "other" Dark vicissitudes of life.

There are so many things that some may consider dangerous, painful or frustrating, or frightening, until you slow down enough and try to find a wee corner inside the problem that may be an oasis of joy and Learning. Kind of like the eye of a hurricane where there are often birds soaring and singing, the sun is shinning. Just avoid the rim for awhile until it blows itself out. hahaha...

Not sure those are perfect examples but you get the idea. :)

 

[CarpeDiem]

Maybe when we start making our own decisions based on free will that we have then then and only then we will be able to grow as people and make this world as better place

You wrote that when WE start making our own decisions, then WE will be able to grow, and make this world a better place - I don’t know if it’s only semantics, but I can’t see how ‘collective’ in a way seeing could change ourselves and the world. I think that that ‘group’ thinking and some group collectively convincing itself that it’s their ‘mission’ to make the world the better place have brought the same world they intended to make ‘a better place’ to nothing but death and destruction, over and over and over again. That’s kind of la collective self-delusion and collective self-destriction thinking loop. What was the belief propaganda behind Christian crusades; behind idea of ‘civilizing’ those poor unrefined and non-Christian South Americans; Nazi so decisive to ‘liberate the world’ from evil Jews, today’s Ziocons resolved to fight evil Moslem ‘regimes’ ‘for the good’? Did any of these so rightful crusades change the world for any better? I think idea of ‘making world a better place’ based on collective decisions of machines, for what most of us are, is quite a deceitful one. Maybe any of these ‘decisions’ to make a world a better place sound very rightful, but I think imposing any ‘good’ decision to make the world better on any other individual would deny their right to act for their own destiny and would deny also the right of the world to act in favor if its own destiny too. One can’t change the world, that would be imposing one’s will on other. One can change himself. Once one changes himself he then is able to help other to change himself too, if they ask, so, it becomes effectively sort of change-of awareness chain reaction, which can change the world i think. What i think we change the world not by changing the world but by changing ourselves and helping others to change themselves.
And also you wrote that

when we start making our own decisions based on free will that we have .

But my question is: Do we have a free will? Do we have free will as a humanity as a whole which is locked down and up and from the sides, everywhere you look? And probably when i write 'humanity as a whole' i should mean 96% of oppresed humans and to exclude 4% of humanoids... And do I have a free will as an individual machine? My first goal would be to become a self-aware machine to be able to grow a seed of free will, if there is one inside…