Time and desolate planets.

AWERLORD

The Force is Strong With This One
Greetings. I am currently reading a book called Bringers of the down, and there is a question I have about a thing I just read. In chapter 3, there is an example about a Jupiter and a time portal that is used to enter a time frame. It is said that if someone would simply fly into the planets space without using the time portal, then the planet would look desolate. So I have a question. If earth right now would loose it's time illusion, would it appear as a desolate planet? And if we could get into other planets time portals, would those planets stop looking desolate and look more lively? Because it seems if there is no time illusion, then it might look like nothing exists there. I am still working on understanding how time works and why it is an illusion. Just a thought I am pondering at this moment.
 
Do you mean "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak?

If you search "Bringers of the Dawn" here on the forum, you will find several threads that discuss that book.
 
Yes that one. I will search it once I am done, but still would like to get an answer or just opinions on my question.
 
I don't know the answer nor do I have an opinion on your thoughts.

People are truly diverse! Of everything that you've read in that book, that's the thing that called out to you? Truly amazing!
 
i wish i could find in the transcripts where the c's were talking about something similar to this. if i remember correctly ..4th density is where you use planets as portals. here on 3rd density our neck of the woods is like in the country where there isn't too much action, but they did state there are planets in the orion sector that were populated with beings like us.

i would think if you are looking at reality without time, then a number of things are going on simontaneously... the viewer simply choses what point in the sequence of events happening that they want to focus on.


i'm not sure if i helped answer your question but maybe it will help to spark more intringuing questions :)
 
I think this has to do with what the Cassiopaeans call a "frequency resonance envelope."
session020223 said:
Q:(R) Double loop, yeah, exactly. (MN) Double helix? (R) Yeah, because it's looping...because if you look at the 3D part of it it's not a spiral, it's a cone. (A) Right. (R) Because it is spiraling like that, and if you increase the resolution, then it will be a perfect cone which is moving like that at the same time it is moving like that. (demonstrates with hand gestures) And it is moving like that because of balance - because it has to be from an equal amount [of energy] on either side. (V) It builds it from itself? (R) Yeah the thing is like this, if you have a packet of energy going like this and it meets a boundary, either it can fold up like that - just under its own pressure - and then spring back. Or, it can utilize the extra dimensions and coil. Like if you have a string and you just do like that, it won't be at one point. So I think it's the same thing here. But how to find out? We need to have some algorithm for the 3rd dimension for this folding. (A) Umhmm. (V) What if there is indeed something happening there that you're not seeing? Like we were talking about at the beginning of the session here: that you can't know what you can't know because you can't see it because it's veiled? What are the possibilities that there is something else happening there to be discovered or uncovered? (R) And I think that it seems like the only reason it is manifesting is because the wave is hitting an obstacle. So, the 3rd dimension - it was always there as a possibility - but it didn't manifest until the wave hit an obstacle. So the obstacle, in effect, is creating the additional dimension. It was always there but it didn't manifest until an obstacle was put into the wave's path.
A: Consciousness energy directors.
Q:(R) Exactly. Because if the wave is hitting an obstacle, if it just follows mechanics, it's going fold up because that's the law. But, if you have consciousness interacting with the energy, then it can say "hey look it is more efficient if you don't fold up, it is more efficient if you utilize this extra dimension, because there is then less pressure in the wave if you are using this extra dimension." But you need that consciousness to kind of say: "hey look there is this extra dimension that you can utilize." And it has to say how to utilize it because it has to choose a direction to start folding into. (B) If our consciousness defines the parameters of 3rd density, could the barriers on either side of the wave represent the barriers of the outside parameters of 3rd density which causes this continual looping back and forth? And it may be doing something else in a different density that doesn't have those barriers?
A: Frequency resonance envelope.
Q: (R) Exactly, it makes total sense. So frequency resonance envelopes are realms. And our program shows that the only time interesting things happen to a wave is when it hits an obstacle. And it only manifests the extra dimension if someone helps the wave to choose which way to start folding out into the extra dimension. So if densities in effect are frequency resonance envelopes, which exist as obstacles, that waves of energy can resonate within...yeah exactly...that makes kind of sense. (JN) What if the level of consciousness is the barrier? (R) Yeah exactly. Consciousness energy directors, and the more awareness you have the more possibilities you can see to direct the energy. (JN) The less obstruction. (R) Yeah, or you can choose this... (V) You say you believe something because it's the law, but... (R) Yeah, because those are the parameters that you see, but the more awareness you have, the more you see, the more you can find, then you can know dimensions that you can escape into. You have the box, you say it's closed, we can't get out of it. But if you have more awareness, you can say "well there's some other dimension out of the box that we can use." Do I make sense?
A: You are going in the right direction...
Q:(R) Which is of course, kind of humorous since they just talked about consciousness as energy directors and we are going in the right direction. So we are directing the energy in a conscious way towards the right frequency resonance envelope. (L) I'm glad you know what you're talking about. (JN) Now don't anyone lick that envelope and seal it up! (R) Okay, well this makes sense. So the basic concept to recap is that densities are frequency resonance envelopes in the same way that the barriers in our program are barriers. We have modeled densities on a computer program. Densities are envelopes. Frequency Resonance Envelopes. You have energy bouncing back and forth and without conscious directing of that energy it's not going to utilize anything more than the paths that are kind of obvious - the default. But as soon as you start to direct that energy, you can direct it in such a way that it exceeds the envelope. (J) So think outside the envelope. (R) Exactly because you are redefining the envelope. You are finding bigger and bigger slots.
A: Prime numbers show the door.
Q:(R) It's perfect. So in the simulation, the spirals seem to always be prime numbers. We have 3, 5, 7, 11, 19 - I think we have seen at some point. (A) 2 is also prime number (laughter). (V) But not a 13? (R) I think we have seen 13. It depends on what parameters you set. I think we can find pretty much any prime number depending on the values. (A) I don't believe it. (R) He doesn't believe it. (A) No. It is a hypothesis. (R) Is the number of apparent spirals always a prime number?
A: Ark is not right on the money.
Q:(A) I am. I will show you! (B) Does that mean he's close? (R) You can't be close. Either it's prime numbers or it's not. (A) What did they say that I am not right? Right? (R) Right, exactly. (A) Okay, I will show you guys. (L) How are you going to show them? (A) We will do an experiment and we will show that it's not prime numbers. And the C's will have to recant! [laughter]. But there are many other ways in which prime number can come into this game and probably they are coming into this game and it will be very nice to find this out.
A: Find out, in deed.
Q: (L) Well that's kind of a pun, find out "in deed" - by doing. (R) We are on a very, very interesting path here because we just defined what a density is. It's a frequency resonance envelope. (A) The question is frequency of what?
A: Yes, of those in the orchestra.
Q: (L) So it is by agreement. (A) What is by agreement? (L) To be in the orchestra, frequency resonance envelope. (B) Not only to be, but to play within those parameters.
(L) Who gets to pick what gets played?
A: Ah! There's the rub!
Q: (B) That means it's up for grabs. Which is why they're interested in us grounding a certain frequency resonance so STS doesn't.
A: No, you don't get to pick the selection at this level. But you in the future does. The question is: How well do you play, and can you play true if the others don't?
Q: (M) That's the second time they said that. (R) Yeah, okay, so in essence, that means what we are doing now is assembling the orchestra before the concert, and tuning the instruments. (L) Have you ever sat in the concert hall when they were getting ready, warming up? (J) It's chaos. (L) It is. (R) But after awhile it starts getting tuned. But that's what this is all about - the whole Cassiopaean Communication. Were not playing yet. We're just tuning. (L) Yeah. (JN) So if our level of consciousness creates the barriers of where this wave can go and how it behaves, can we... (R) No, No. No. Excuse me for interrupting. Our level of consciousness doesn't create the barriers, it's only aware of those barriers. It can see, okay, what are the barriers: "oh these are the barriers. I can see, okay. So here's what I get to play." But if your awareness grows, then you get to see an array of barriers. "Okay I want to play with this bigger one. I can play with the smaller ones if I want to, but I have the awareness to see other barriers that are more extensive." (L) I think that the concept that we have a hard time grasping is that - going with the analogy - the musical selection is made, more or less. We at some level - us in the future - have chosen what instrument to play, what part to play. And so, the options that we really have now are: how well we play, how loud we play, how in tune we play with others; can we practice, can we stay in tune, can we do any numbers of these things? And even if we find ourselves sitting next to some jerk who can't carry a tune, and whose instrument is all screwed up, can we still continue to play true? Because even though the rest of the orchestra, being heard from a distance, may sound quite melodic, because we are sitting next to this guy who can't play, it is possible for us to be distracted - pulled off track - and then to distract the guy on the other side of us, leading to general chaos. (R) It's about focus. (L) Yeah. I'm getting tired. (A) I have still a question, because all the discussion around this computer modeling, whether it can be helpful or should be developed, or can lead to something; and all these spirals and barriers; they are all about, it's a standard, there are no events, there are no detectors yet. My idea was that it is the detectors which make events which make the wave collapse. Until now, in all our simulations, there is no collapse and no jumps. And yet we speak about consciousness, while there is this other concept that it is consciousness that makes the wave collapse. Okay. So I see a contradiction and I don't know how to get out of this contradiction. There is no collapse, and yet there was some encouragement that what we have relates to...
A: The music is on the page long before it is played.
Q: (R) So, when the orchestra starts playing you have the musical notes, the timing instructions. Right. So it's the same music. You can play over and over again. But the difference is how well the orchestra plays and how well it is tuned. Okay, so one implication can be that...
A: The FRE is the notes on the page. It is the selection. The "playing" constitutes "events." Frequency resonant envelope: FRE.
Q: (R) So when you're starting out, you have a small orchestra, you play simple notes. (L) Kinda like 1st density. (R) Exactly. As you get better at playing you get the bigger orchestra, you get more instruments, you have to be more careful about having them in tune because otherwise... (L) And you get more notes. (R) And you get more notes. But the playing constitutes events. It's one thing to have an orchestra, it's another to have it tuned. (L) Alright, let's think about this FRE idea and this application of it and then take it back to Violette's original questions about it. FRE is emanated and maintained in concert with the environment and others... (R) Well, it is also bonded to the perception through awareness, right? (L) Okay. [V reads back from the notes] "Your awareness maintains a frequency emanation in concert with your environment. When there are fluctuations in bonding of another, the fluctuations create discontinuities." (R) So a discontinuity would be a quantum jump, for example, yes or no?
A: Yes.
So my interpretation of all of that is the frequency resonance envelope is the reality you live in, which is one of a myriad of possible timelines and parallel dimensions as well as different densities. The Cassiopaeans called them "notes" in this section. Some of these notes may be quite similar to each other, or almost identical, while others exist in a different octave and are radically different. Your reality is partly determined by your awareness and state of Being, also referred to as the frequency resonance vibration. This is also related to Castaneda's assemblage point and some of his stories related to it; if you can shift your awareness into an altered state, perhaps you can penetrate a few of these envelopes and see realms that are "adjacent" to your own. Which brings me to this:
Session950304 said:
Q: (T) An additional sun, like if Jupiter blows up? Is Jupiter an unborn sun?
A: Jupiter is already a star.
Q: (L) Why do we not perceive it as a star?
A: You are still learning. Earth is a star to be.
Q: (F) How the hell can that be? (L) If a planet...
A: Every thing cycles fully.
Q: (L) If a star is a transition point from one dimension to another, when the earth moves into 4th density, is it going to appear as a star to the people in 3rd density?
A: "Gas planet."
Q: (L) It will appear as a gas planet? (J) Just as Jupiter appears to us.
A: Jupiter is level 4 density.
Q: (L) To whom does Jupiter appear as a flaming sun, at what level?
A: 5, 6, and 7.
Q: (T) What does it look like in 4th?
A: Earth.
Q: (T) Jupiter looks like Earth and Earth looks like Jupiter in 4th density?
A: No.
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible.
Q: (J) Huh? (L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.
Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions the earth is invisible?
A: When they are not thinking about it.
Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it doesn't exist? They have to focus on it for it to become visible?
A: Close.
Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density was able to see us?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Us, not earth. (T) What do they see us on?
A: Able to see you when they choose to.
Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us. (L) I guess it is like animals in second density. You ride down the road and don't really see what is around you unless you focus in on it. (J) Unless you concentrate on looking for them... (T) Like standing still in a forest and after a time you can see what is there. (J) It is all according to perception.
A: Yes, but 4th level is the first one with true variability.
So continuing the analogy from earlier, it appears that the Cassiopaeans are saying that Earth does not exist in the 4D "octave" (that is what the Wave is all about, transitioning the planet to 4D) but it can be seen if awareness is focused on a lower octave. And you have the example above of different planets taking on a different appearance depending on the level of density. The planet appears desolate until you can get your frequency resonance vibration to align with the frequency resonance envelope of that particular body in which life exists. This adds an extra level of complexity to interstellar travel, because you may pass by inhabited planets simply because you don't resonate with the correct realm that the beings there inhabit.

As for time, we experience it as one dimensional, moving from point A to point B, but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that this is not the case. It seems to be more of an ocean of potentialities and where you go is "selective and variable," as the Cassiopaeans put it. What we experience as time is the space of a higher density. Perhaps in 4D, distance is experienced in terms of frequency and they move into our time by finding and following these different frequencies. Our time is their space. When they choose to move to the right place by focusing on the "Earth frequency" they come closer to it and it appears. Thus, if they select the right frequency, they appear in our time and space.
 
Neil said:
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So continuing the analogy from earlier, it appears that the Cassiopaeans are saying that Earth does not exist in the 4D "octave" (that is what the Wave is all about, transitioning the planet to 4D) but it can be seen if awareness is focused on a lower octave. And you have the example above of different planets taking on a different appearance depending on the level of density. The planet appears desolate until you can get your frequency resonance vibration to align with the frequency resonance envelope of that particular body in which life exists. This adds an extra level of complexity to interstellar travel, because you may pass by inhabited planets simply because you don't resonate with the correct realm that the beings there inhabit.

As for time, we experience it as one dimensional, moving from point A to point B, but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that this is not the case. It seems to be more of an ocean of potentialities and where you go is "selective and variable," as the Cassiopaeans put it. What we experience as time is the space of a higher density. Perhaps in 4D, distance is experienced in terms of frequency and they move into our time by finding and following these different frequencies. Our time is their space. When they choose to move to the right place by focusing on the "Earth frequency" they come closer to it and it appears. Thus, if they select the right frequency, they appear in our time and space.

Hi Neil,
thank you for your answer. It made me think about the fascination I felt when observing life through a microscope...I just wonder what a marvelous learning possibility is for those who know how to attune to different realms and learn by observing how the variable ways of creation can manifest.

We all have the possibilities to go beyond our limitations and be part of a larger understanding and possibility of doing. This is where fear disappears: there were many examples given how to act in the presence of unknown phenomena, why they happen (think of window fallers, ufos, or other strange manifestations that might get stuck here or vanish), and being able to chose the right attitude: saying no to fear or foolish worship, etc.

We need to have this knowledge in these times of chaos, change and creation.

Just my 2 cents
 
wow that was well stated neil!! thank you! it slightly reminds me of the movie lucy the way you explained it ..
 
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