Tiny hole(s) on the soft palate.

[Z...]

I would like to find out, how many people here have one or more tiny holes on the soft palate just where the hard palate ends.
I have one and I always thought this is normal anatomical feature and connection with nasal sinus. Recently I found out that not all people have these holes but I was unable to find out what are they. Its very difficult to find any serious source on the net about this and I dont have readily access to human anatomical book. I checked with few people who are close enough to ask such silly question and they say they dont have these holes.

Mine feels like it leads to the nasal cavity but I cannot blow smoke or air through it like some people who write about it on the net. Some people report to have two even three, I have only one and it feels very normal, I never saw it but I always imagined it like the blow hole whales have, at least that's how it feels under the tongue.

I also found this most silly if not bizarre discussion on some forum google returned:

My whole life, as far back as i can remember, i have had two tiny wholes in the roof of my mouth. I can sometimes blow smoke from a cig. out of them, or air. I have been doing research about them. Does anybody know of Dr. Delbert Blair And his lectures supreme beings 1-10? I would love some more info about this. Does anyone else have these holes??


jayrenee97
wtf
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Avant-Garde
What does that doctor's lectures have to do with this?
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NotFloydzie
Wait, what?
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blueizbabe07
I watched his lectures, and he talks of these holes. But he thinks only males have them, but i am indeed a female. I just want to know more about this. Appartently having the hole is VERY rare, and not many docs know what it is or have ever seen it before. I have asked my doc, many of them. They always say they dont have a clue what these holes are. I have never met anyone w them, im just curious if its just me. Hopefully its not. But i do suggest you all watch those lectures. VERY interesting!
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GGGWalk
@: blueizbabe07
nope ur not the only one have u ever had a "para-normal" experince?
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mickymouse
Those holes go directly to the penal gland of the brain. Also known as the third eye. It is indeed very rare to have these, and if i was you i would not be broadcasting that you have them. :)
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TheAwesomeOne
why would you not broadcast them?
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GGGWalk
I have 3 holes on the roof of my mouth ive been looking into why and what they are and so far i have not seen any1 with posts saying anything about having 3 only 2 or 1. maybe i should stop smoking weed and try to open my 3rd eye more often.

Penal gland?!
I watched this Delbert Blair for few minutes here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eheKP1c_8RY
and I am pretty sure he is baked noodle, so darn I aint supreme being after all :)

Joking aside I just want to know how common these holes are.

 

[Eva]

Hi Radagast,

Here's a picture of the oral cavity. There are no holes normally. There are bone foramina and salivary duct openings but none that would look like tiny holes at the palate AFAIK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mouth
http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus1201.html

Sometimes tiny holes (postoperative fistulas) can be remnants of cleft palate surgery, though. No idea if that has any relevance here :)

 

[Gaby]

Penal gland?!
I watched this Delbert Blair for few minutes here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eheKP1c_8RY
and I am pretty sure he is baked noodle, so darn I aint supreme being after all :)

Joking aside I just want to know how common these holes are.

I highly doubt it goes to your pineal gland, otherwise you would have been leaking brain liquid all over the mouth and having brain infections since birth.

If it feels like it goes to your nose, it then has the pharynx nose (nasopharynx) and the nasal cavity between the what you see and the brain (other than the sphenoidal sinus). That is a huge frontier, so it can't go directly to your pineal gland, no.

Perhaps it is a closed hole, more like a loop that doesn't lead anywhere?

 

[Z...]

I highly doubt it goes to your pineal gland, otherwise you would have been leaking brain liquid all over the mouth and having brain infections since birth.

I never considered this even for a second. :)

I was just curious how common is this- its sort of a weird feeling when you spend whole of your life thinking something on your body is norm for other human beings and then you discover this may not be the case.

 

[Gaby]

I was just curious how common is this- its sort of a weird feeling when you spend whole of your life thinking something on your body is norm for other human beings and then you discover this may not be the case.

Actually, I do know how that feels! :) But it is the first time I hear about this one, although I'm not surprised because embryologically speaking, the formation of the face, throat, ear features from the branchial archs is quite complex and highly orchestrated. Studying embryology makes you wonder how on Earth people are born with everything alright organ-wise most of the time! It is a miracle.

 

[Eva]

I guess my hint on postoperative fistulas was way too subtle.
These holes are usually associated with one of the around 200 cleft palate syndromes, some being symptomatic and others asymptomatic.
My first reply was meant as an incentive to see if you had undergone cleft palate surgery as a baby. If not then this may not apply but it's still worth checking out, if only to make sure that regardless of whether they are a postoperative remnant/recurrence or a quantitatively negligible congenital malformation, they are REALLY asymptomatic.

Here's some info on it: _http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2825081/

Based on their size, fistulas may be classified as small (< 2mm), medium (3-5mm) or large (>5mm).[6]
According to the location, fistulas are described as anterior fistula, midpalatal fistula, fistula at the junction of the soft palate and hard palate and soft palate fistula. In a study of 64 patients, Diah, Lo, Yun et al.[7] reported the hard-soft palate junction as the commonest site (53.1%).

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3111121/

Every visible palatal fistula does not need surgical repair. The indications for a fistula repair depend on the associated symptoms, which are in turn related to the size and location of the fistula. The common symptoms which have been extensively discussed in the literature are: 1. Nasal emission causing speech distortions, 2. Leakage of fluid and food into the nasal cavity leading to poor oral hygiene and foul smell. The timing of the fistula repair depends on symptoms like nasal regurgitation, effect on speech and concerned of the patient. It is generally agreed that fistulae causing disturbances in speech should be repaired as soon as possible. A fistula leading to significant regurgitation of fluid/food into the nose, resulting in inflammation of nasal lining and malodor also needs to be repaired early. However, the repair of a small fistula with no effect on speech and occasional regurgitation of fluid/food into nose, can be delayed to be combined with other procedures.
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The speech evaluation by the speech pathologist is essential to diagnose if the fistula is contributing to the speech problems. The speech pathologist also provides information regarding the associated Velo-pharyngeal incompetence (VPI) which may or may not be due to the fistula after closing the fistula with chewing gum temporarily.

And about VPI: _http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/873018-overview

Phonation involves the generation of a column of air pressure passing from the subglottis into the upper airway. Inadequate velopharyngeal closure (VPC) allows air to escape through the nose during the generation of consonants requiring high oral pressure, leading to inappropriate nasal resonance during speech production.

So, symptoms range from nasal regurgitation - which may not be the case here, but I don't know if trying to blow smoke or air from it and thinking you can't is enough to support this. One should consider the possibility of occasional regurgitation in case it's so small it's almost insidious, but still results in frequent inflammation.

Then, there could be speech problems, that in themselves are not a risk factor for anything but might affect a person's self-esteem, in which case repairing wouldn't be necessary but might prove beneficial.
All in all, I think it's a situation worthy of being evaluated by physical examination.

 

[Z...]

Eva I did come across that info, none of it applies in my case, that's why I never replied to your first post, thanks for your concern nevertheless

 

[Eva]

Okay, great. Just wanted to be sure you were aware of that info. :)

 

[lisaione]

Finally, after more than a year, I've found the answer that satisfies my curiosity about the small whole in my soft palate. It's called submucous cleft palate. For more information, here's the link.
http://www.clapa.com/medical/article/328/

 

[Meg]

Finally, after more than a year, I've found the answer that satisfies my curiosity about the small whole in my soft palate. It's called submucous cleft palate. For more information, here's the link.
http://www.clapa.com/medical/article/328/

Hi Lisaione,
Thanks for link to the article. Seeing as this is your first post on the forum, we would appreciate it if you would post a brief intro about yourself in the Newbies section, telling us how you found this forum, how long you've been reading it and/or the SOTT page, whether or not you've read any of Laura's books yet, etc.

Welcome to the Forum :)

 

[lisaione]

I apologize for jumping into this forum without introducing myself. Thank you for letting me know what to do. I truly appreciate it. Thanks!

 

[aknight]

Hello my name is Lynn, and I too have those tiny holes in the upper palate area. They have been a source of problems for me, such as emitting a foul smell. For more than 10 years, I have been trying to find out the source of this bad breath. Spending a ton of money on going to dentists, periodontists, and ENT doctors, I always complained that my upper palate itched and smelled. I was always turned away, and was told that it was something else. A couple of years ago, I discovered online a a news story out of New York about a doctor by the name of Yusuf Krespi, that is an ENT specialist that invented a special laser that he used to treat his patients for sleep apnea problems, discovered that it also helped take away the smell of bad breath, on the tongue, the upper palate / nasal cavity area, and dealing with tonsil stones. The problem is that it is very costly, and and distance for me, since I live in another state.

 

[Selamsew]

Hi Lynn,

Thank you very much for sharing your story!

I still have exactly the same problem as you had. I had no idea (although I was suspecting since my saliva always gets thick despite drinking water all-day long) that these two holes are probably the root cause of my halitosis. At first I thought that everyone had, which also made me to become afraid of asking others, including my Dr., or talking about since I always feel that my breath issue is caused by something else although I brush and floss after each meal, and tongue scrap almost throughout the day.... The problem gets worse with my sinus (recently had CT scan and have been told that I have a mild maxillary sinus disease and now I am taking over the counter medications). The irony is that people even with chronic sinus don't have halitosis, reinforcing my assumption that there is something else which contributes to a great extent--yet very much connected to my oral cavity...

Do you think you can share me like how much it would cost me to see the physician you mentioned. I was about to see the National Breath Center, which they say would cost me somewhere between 3k and 12k. Some are really manipulative of your situation, knowing that you are desperate to try everything out.

Also, what would happen to those openings of the palates after the treatment? Would the problem not reoccur in the future, especially for someone of like me with a sinus problem--as leaking of nasal will remain unless the wall (palate) becomes impermeable.

I'll talk about this with my physician and see if there is anything that can be done....

Thanks!

 

[Guero420]

For years ive been trying to find out something about this. I have two super tiny holes on my mouths roof right behing my two frong top teeth . Ive always been able to suck air thru them and it makes a realy loud high pich squeak and it gets anoying sometimes when il making out with chicks lol.

 

[Konstantin]

For years ive been trying to find out something about this. I have two super tiny holes on my mouths roof right behing my two frong top teeth . Ive always been able to suck air thru them and it makes a realy loud high pich squeak and it gets anoying sometimes when il making out with chicks lol.

Thank you for joining this forum Guero420. I hope that you will find many of your answers here.
Since this is your first post on this forum, I would like to ask you to introduce yourself in the newbie section so all of us can know little more about you.
:)