To sell or to rent for income?

Yupo

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I am in the process of retiring on early and very modest Social Security. My plan was to work a few days a month at some hospital contracts for needed supplemental income, and to sell my office and house for an emergency fund to see me through my years. Now, with C-19 vaccine requirements and the unreliability of the contracts, I am thinking that a better choice might be to hang on to the properties and use them for long term rental income. They are in good shape and I have no debt on them. I should get enough to live on and enough to cover typical repairs needed. Plus, I'm thinking it might be better to have to have hard assets now rather than money in the bank. Rents are looking good at the moment. I don't think I'd have trouble finding reliable tenants due to a unique situation here.
I think the passive income stream would be better for longer term, but is this wishful thinking? We really don't know what is ahead.
I bought a house about 1.25 hours away, planning to move there in the next 4-6 months, after I make some improvements (to code).
I appreciate any feedback.
 
Imo and world events aside, if you don't need the lump sum of cash by selling the house additional cash flow is probably better. You can always sell later if the need arises.

Have you ever rented property before? Some of my friends own and rent several properties in my area. By and large it has been a very positive experience for them, but they have had some headaches mostly caused by bad tenants (not paying bills, refusing to leave, threatening phone calls, ect.)

World events back into view: The CDC just extended the eviction moratorium: Citing 'Delta variant', CDC declares extension to ban on home evictions (despite lacking authority to do so) -- Sott.net

So, if you decide to rent, I'd just recommend to be prepared for the worst: zero cash flow and still needing to pay for costly repairs on the property should something break.
 
I am in the process of retiring on early and very modest Social Security.
I infer that you are in the US.

Now, with C-19 vaccine requirements and the unreliability of the contracts, I am thinking that a better choice might be to hang on to the properties and use them for long term rental income.
What about the (unlawful) edict from the CDC about tenants' non-eviction "rights"? When tenants know they can stay for free, what is the logical outcome?

I don't think I'd have trouble finding reliable tenants due to a unique situation here.
Your "unique situation" makes it completely impossible for others to advise you.

Without knowing your "unique situation", I would advise that rental properties today is a very bad and risky venture. I believe that the system will erode property rights. Will it be tomorrow or in the next five years? I don't know, but I expect it.
 
I infer that you are in the US.


What about the (unlawful) edict from the CDC about tenants' non-eviction "rights"? When tenants know they can stay for free, what is the logical outcome?


Your "unique situation" makes it completely impossible for others to advise you.

Without knowing your "unique situation", I would advise that rental properties today is a very bad and risky venture. I believe that the system will erode property rights. Will it be tomorrow or in the next five years? I don't know, but I expect it.
This is a military town and there is a shortage of rentals. Military members get supplemental income for rent. They also get in serious trouble if they fall behind on paying or fail to take proper care of property. I'm not sure how to limit my offer to military members, but I think there might be a way through word of mouth.
The other property is a medical office. I expect a tenant would take good care of it, and the rent would be considerably less than for those near the main hospital.
 
The housing market is crazy right now, is it not? Considering you've never rented property and never dealt with maintenance and that you'll be an hour and a half away, I think that perhaps selling might be best. You can use the extra cash to buy precious metals, BTC, stock up on goods, etc. if you prefer hard assets to cash flow. It does sound like renting to someone who is at base camp would be less hassle, but it's pretty tough to know what a tenant will be like until they start living in the house they rent. Maybe rent out the office property and sell high on the house?
 
@Yupo , where do you live now ? or do you have 3 places ? you could find a alt. practitioner like a naturopath or so for the clinic and have free treatments as PART of the rent
are you able to grow food on any of these places ? even money is no good when there is no food to buy
but I say go for it renting out is giving to those that ask all STO bad karma - bad tennants good karma = good tennants
or
sell the lot and get a farm and some lifestock !
 
Yes, I'm in USA. No, I've never been a landlord.
From my limited times of having rented to others it was always a huge responsibility with financial liabilities.

Though renting to military base personal may be an option there are a few negatives and positives one might consider when hunting for the right tenants.
The other property is a medical office
I think that's the one to dump given the SOTT's and the current possibility of the coming financial crisis.

Remember also that the current IRS administration has limited the capacity of enjoying capital gains. Given that Biden reversed Trumps tax laws that favored the working class (as of 2021).

And what about downsizing at your current juncture for added mobility and finical stability?

Apologies for all the links I don't mean to add confusion.
 
The housing market is crazy right now, is it not? Considering you've never rented property and never dealt with maintenance and that you'll be an hour and a half away, I think that perhaps selling might be best. You can use the extra cash to buy precious metals, BTC, stock up on goods, etc. if you prefer hard assets to cash flow. It does sound like renting to someone who is at base camp would be less hassle, but it's pretty tough to know what a tenant will be like until they start living in the house they rent. Maybe rent out the office property and sell high on the house?
Yesterday, I talked to very elderly real estate agent with 20 years in business here in new jersey. she was saying that market is crazy. she is saying people from NYC with cash in hand paying like crazy in the suburbs and in country side. Naturally, sellers prefer cash buyers instead of waiting for mortgage companies spin. Houses are closing in 3 weeks. The remote one goes, there is no guarantee of cheap petrol in future for long distance commute, if US's control wanes.
 
All very good points. The new house is on a relatively private acre with lots of sunshine. That city is OK with small livestock (rabbits, chickens) as long as neighbors don't complain of smell and noise. My dad (recently deceased) had a very large vegetable garden there, double dug. The neighbors are also cool with me operating a small scale cash practice in the rear wing of the house. That section has an ADA compliant entrance. On one side is a chiropractor and a dentist, the other side is residential. I've known all these people since my college years. They're happy that I'm getting the house.
By selling everything else ASAP, I could probably find some acreage a little ways out for some real livestock. I think a bit of land and some livestock are much more consistent with my idea of wealth.
I'd possibly be in a position to help and even be helped by like minded people (needing good food, health services and work).
It was going through my mind this morning how much money I could make on rents, and it felt kind of icky, going into that program briefly.
 
The housing market is crazy right now, is it not? Considering you've never rented property and never dealt with maintenance and that you'll be an hour and a half away, I think that perhaps selling might be best. You can use the extra cash to buy precious metals, BTC, stock up on goods, etc. if you prefer hard assets to cash flow. It does sound like renting to someone who is at base camp would be less hassle, but it's pretty tough to know what a tenant will be like until they start living in the house they rent. Maybe rent out the office property and sell high on the house?
Yesterday, I talked to very elderly real estate agent with 20 years in business here in new jersey. she was saying that market is crazy. she is saying people from NYC with cash in hand paying like crazy in the suburbs and in country side. Naturally, sellers prefer cash buyers instead of waiting for mortgage companies spin. Houses are closing in 3 weeks. The remote one goes, there is no guarantee of cheap petrol in future for long distance commute, if US's control wanes.

As my family have two rental properties I've given a little bit of thought to the cash out vs. rent out issue. The points Beau and seek10 made above are very valid and useful but other factors have titled the scale towards ownership for me. I thought I'd share them in case they help add a bit more perspective. FWIW:

I'd say that the reason why the market is so "crazy" right now is because people think covid is a temporary problem and we will soon be back to normal. But as the economy continues to spiral downwards those "crazy" buyers and sellers may end up regretting their lack of accurate foresight.

What seek10 said about cash buyers isn't the majority of home purchases. Most people still need a mortgage to buy a home. If the 2008 credit crunch is anything to go by, it is likely that many people will end up losing their homes due to being unable to keep their mortgage payments. At the same time, the property buying craziness is likely to end and it will be much more difficult to sell a home. At the same time rental prices are very likely to go through the roof. People won't be able to afford to buy and they are likely to want to avoid buying a home and risk losing their deposit in case of repossession - but they will still have to live somewhere. Renting is likely to be their only option.

Another factor to take into account is inflation. If the current trajectory continues - and all signs point towards this being the case - the lump sum you will get for your property now will most likely significantly decrease in value in the next 3-10 years. Much more than the drop in value of money we've seen over the past decade. Will the amount you'll get for your property see you through your years with inflation significantly decreasing the purchasing power of that sum?

Also, during the banking crisis of 2008 there were places where people weren't able to withdraw their money from the bank. This was the case in Cyprus for example, so having money in a bank may not be a safe solution.

On the other hand, there are significant risks involved in owning a rental property too. With the current push towards a rental economy property taxes are likely to go up which may eat up a large chunk of the rental income. As someone who has a rental property that's something I factor in. Nevertheless, it seems safer to hold on to a mortgage-free property than to rely on cash that will most likely deteriorate in value pretty fast. Anyone who's been to a supermarket recently has probably noticed an increase in prices of the basic necessities so it's not something likely to hit us in the future - but something that's already happening.

I guess one solution would be to sell one of your properties and buy something that will help you make it through the difficult times. Beau provided a few useful ideas above and I think that's something to seriously consider. As businesses start to go bust commercial properties are likely to be difficult to rent out so maybe selling that one and buying something more reliable as a source of income/ a tool for survival would be a better solution?
 
I am in the process of retiring on early and very modest Social Security. My plan was to work a few days a month at some hospital contracts for needed supplemental income, and to sell my office and house for an emergency fund to see me through my years. Now, with C-19 vaccine requirements and the unreliability of the contracts, I am thinking that a better choice might be to hang on to the properties and use them for long term rental income. They are in good shape and I have no debt on them. I should get enough to live on and enough to cover typical repairs needed. Plus, I'm thinking it might be better to have to have hard assets now rather than money in the bank. Rents are looking good at the moment. I don't think I'd have trouble finding reliable tenants due to a unique situation here.
I think the passive income stream would be better for longer term, but is this wishful thinking? We really don't know what is ahead.
I bought a house about 1.25 hours away, planning to move there in the next 4-6 months, after I make some improvements (to code).
I appreciate any feedback.
As a current investment property owners with three investment properties there are risks and rewards to ownership of homes for cash flow.

Risks are - Homes needing constant repair this will cut into your monthly cash flow and can leave you negative at times BUT as you said the homes are in good shape
Risk - Not finding good or any renters - you say the area rents well
Risk - Renters themselves not paying ontime, damaging the place and creating drama. YOu say you will be a hour away so maybe you can do the property management yourself and be hands on
Risk - Mis management by the property manager - you said you are a hour away maybe you can manage it with a property manager

Reward - Monthly cash flow
Rewards - You can increase the rents 2-3% year after year so you keep up with inflation your income in retirement goes up
Reward - Tax breaks lowering how much you owe at the end of the year or maybe even giving you a few thousand back, you can create a home office for yourself if you manage the property, you turn you car into a tax deduction, property taxes, your cell phone......If you play the tax game right you may get lets say 2-3k back at the end of the year adding to more cash flow in retirement.
 
I talked to my CPA. He told me that most of his out of town landlords try to sell their properties within a few years.
 

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