Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

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This fans the flames of inflation even more.
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I think they may want higher inflation in order to "inflate away" at least a part of the huge US debt. Plus, a significant "side benefit" is that the richer get richer by holding real assets that appreciate in value, while everyone else gets poorer due to higher prices.

Don't know if Trump is aware of this basic dynamic of higher inflation or if it is again a case of receiving bad advice.
 
Boom! Trump shacks the entire world. Whats going on? Will he change course quickly into something else as we've seen before? Here's another theory, the objective is no tariffs world wide. I'm clueless, wait and see.

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Colonel Towner-Watkins retired is a wealth of information for behind the scenes details. She has studied Operation Gladio thoroughly so a good one if your interested in covert operations conducted around the world. Here is an example of how the tariffs are affecting the stock market. I'm not well informed on economics at all so its an interesting learning experience.

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So you are suppose to believe that Nike had ZERO influence in Vietnam to stop tariffing US goods into Vietnam?
Vietnam tariffs US goods into Vietnam. All the US oligarchs shipped all your jobs over to Vietnam to a protected market. Vietnam won't allow your manufactured goods into Vietnam, but your living wage job at McDonald's, which doesn't allow up to buy Nikes, should continue to be made in sweat shops with slave labor by ppl who live in shacks so the oligarchs can continue to get richer.

Brian is retarded. Don't be a Brian.


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A very quick response from Vietnam.



No tariffs on Russia

All nations are forced to the table for negotiations. The 2nd clip came with the 1st which is what I wanted to post.

 
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Here comes Canada.

Canada says they will take all tariffs off if US will do the same. It sounds like Doug Ford wants to sell Canadas mineral to the US. What a turn around from Canada.....wow! Ford was raving mad the last time I heard him speak on the tariffs. Chrystia Freeland wanted to nuke us.

 
I feel like Jefferson's second inaugural has some influence in this administration. In Jefferson's inaugural address he had commended the practice of funding the government solely through tariffs and no taxes: The Avalon Project : Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address

"The remaining revenue on the consumption of foreign articles, is paid cheerfully by those who can afford to add foreign luxuries to domestic comforts, being collected on our seaboards and frontiers only, and incorporated with the transactions of our mercantile citizens, it may be the pleasure and pride of an American to ask, what farmer, what mechanic, what laborer, ever sees a tax-gatherer of the United States? These contributions enable us to support the current expenses of the government, to fulfil contracts with foreign nations, to extinguish the native right of soil within our limits, to extend those limits, and to apply such a surplus to our public debts, as places at a short day their final redemption, and that redemption once effected, the revenue thereby liberated may, by a just repartition among the states, and a corresponding amendment of the constitution, be applied, _in time of peace_, to rivers, canals, roads, arts, manufactures, education, and other great objects within each state."

And
"The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses, enabled us to discontinue our internal taxes."

These are different times given the US dollar's hegemony, so if other countries retaliate the US could see inflation. But other countries, as I understand it, are only seeing reciprocal tariffs, and the effect of inflation would be mitigated by internal projects or investment in the US, which should create jobs. Unless the rich conspire to not invest in the US.

Automation was always an issue. If machines replace workers 100%, then we will either regress into a 2D reality or live in a dreadful utopia.
 
iamthatis said:
Following up on machines replacing human labour... with Trump's tariffs, the plan is to re-shore American industry. Will this benefit the population, in particular his MAGA base? Lutnick, in line with Fink above, says robots will replace cheap labour and American workers will have the task of servicing the new robot class.



So along with Rubio's use of AI to search for 'antisemitism' in America, AI used in strike targeting in the genocide in Gaza, and a whole host of manifestations, yet another technocratic ideal is being pushed - robots to replace human workers. It's already been around the world since the industrial revolution, and I wonder if we may see an explosion of robotics onto the scene in the USA. Maybe not soon, but that's the plan. That might mean that eventually a whole lot of workers will not be needed. So what about those workers to be replace by robots? At the extreme end of the scale, here is what one technocrat envisions:



Jeffrey Sachs wrote a piece on the tariffs themselves. His piece has me thinking that this is a big lie being sold to the American public - the whole 'we are the biggest victims in the world, everyone is ripping us off' narrative. It's being used to justify a new level of technocratic advance into the American body politic and the eventual ruin/humane genocide of workers. And all the while telling Americans/MAGA it's good for them.

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It seems as though depopulation is well underway and the attacks on population numbers are coming from multiple angles. It's possible that the effects will be felt for generations. Perhaps there's a bunch of processes in tension that goes like this:

➡️ Group A: Lets depopulate!
➡️ Group B: Damn, the population is decreasing, how do we stop this? There won't be enough plebs to do our menial work or soldiers to stop Russia and China from eating us alive!
➡️ Group C: I know, lets open the borders and bring in heaps of immigrants. They can vote for us!
➡️ Group B: Damn, these immigrants are stirring up trouble and the natives are getting even more restless. We're not going to have soldiers or police officers to control everything and there won't be anyone to cook my dinner and make sure my pillows are fluffed.
➡️ Group A: Calm down you lot, don't forget robotics.
 
4/5 Saturday day of protest, speaking of George Soros (British agent). Warning: this video is from MSNBC if you have the stomach to watch.
I wonder if they hired some of the actors from rent a protest. Last I checked that company was located in LA I believe
 
Automation was always an issue. If machines replace workers 100%, then we will either regress into a 2D reality or live in a dreadful utopia.
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I don't think its possible to replace workers by 100%. Thinking about this in a different way, perhaps humans are underestimated. If people are freed from tedious work they basically only endure for a pay check then they will be free to find other endeavors that are more creative and fulfilling, a more human society. Someone said recently, people would be forced to find their own value which is more of an internal change. The narrative always falls back onto this dystopian view which we've been programed to think no doubt.

We hear the energies are rising, we're in the Wave and the rays from Galactic Center reach the planet more as we move out of the dark ages of the Kali Yuga. We'll need to move out of the box and think differently. For some reason I always look for the bright side, I don't know why. :-)
 
On April 1 the Houthis claimed to have launched 18 missiles and a drone against the "aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman and accompanying warships" in the Red Sea, in response Trump bombed them and childishly mocked them, as is his style adding "They will never sink our ships again!"

The only US ship to be sunk "recently" was the USS America (2005) and that was by the US itself in a war exercise or simulation. The Houthis have never sunk an American ship, unless Trump knows something we don't.

The responses to Trump's X were like missiles that the MAGA apologists could not overcome. Now war is good.​

Boom

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hobnob said:
I feel like Jefferson's second inaugural has some influence in this administration. In Jefferson's inaugural address he had commended the practice of funding the government solely through tariffs and no taxes: The Avalon Project : Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address

"The remaining revenue on the consumption of foreign articles, is paid cheerfully by those who can afford to add foreign luxuries to domestic comforts, being collected on our seaboards and frontiers only, and incorporated with the transactions of our mercantile citizens, it may be the pleasure and pride of an American to ask, what farmer, what mechanic, what laborer, ever sees a tax-gatherer of the United States? These contributions enable us to support the current expenses of the government, to fulfil contracts with foreign nations, to extinguish the native right of soil within our limits, to extend those limits, and to apply such a surplus to our public debts, as places at a short day their final redemption, and that redemption once effected, the revenue thereby liberated may, by a just repartition among the states, and a corresponding amendment of the constitution, be applied, _in time of peace_, to rivers, canals, roads, arts, manufactures, education, and other great objects within each state."

And
"The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses, enabled us to discontinue our internal taxes."

These are different times given the US dollar's hegemony, so if other countries retaliate the US could see inflation. But other countries, as I understand it, are only seeing reciprocal tariffs, and the effect of inflation would be mitigated by internal projects or investment in the US, which should create jobs. Unless the rich conspire to not invest in the US.

Automation was always an issue. If machines replace workers 100%, then we will either regress into a 2D reality or live in a dreadful utopia.
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I agree with the policy of tariffs in general because they are much more efficient ways of collecting taxes (i.e. less actual damage done to the economy vs say income taxes). But you do not implement them in a half ass way like Trump just did. You phase them in over time so domestic production can meet domestic demand and you actually target them intelligently. Investments in jobs domestically requires time AND knowledge the tariffs are long term (i.e. not an illegal executive order like Trump's that SHOULD NOT survive any court challenge). What he is doing now is literally going to cause unnecessary pain and suffering short term for the American people. And maybe that actually is the goal for the elites that are advising / puppeting him depending on what one believes about the situation.

These in fact were not "reciprocal tariffs." As Jeffrey Sachs mentions in this interview
, administration officials even ADMITTED they were not reciprocal "because that would take too much time" because they would have to do the analysis to see what each country was doing and target them appropriately. So INSTEAD they used the EXISTENCE of a trade deficit as evidence that the country has unfair trade policies towards the US...so you get a poor country whose main export is diamonds, something the US just does not produce, and has a populace that is so poor that it cannot afford US goods be hit with a 50% + tariff when they had no restrictive trade policies.

The other thing to note on tariffs, is that while the US before 1900 could be funded largely from tariffs, when the US went socialist and also put more money in the military industrial complex in the 20th century there is almost no way the general government could be funded solely through tariffs. You could not fund Medicare with tariffs (they cannot even fund it with premiums and payroll taxes as there are HUGE unfunded liabilities associated with it that ultimately have to be paid out of the general fund). You need to have some other mechanisms of taxation like income taxes, a national sales/VAT tax or an enterprise value tax on public corporations and have massive spending cuts in entitlements that no one wants to touch for the nation to become solvent. The Q people who say Trump will get rid of the income tax just by making government efficient through DOGE or levying all these tariffs are not dealing with reality.
 
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WhiteMountain said:
I agree with the policy of tariffs in general because they are much more efficient ways of collecting taxes (i.e. less actual damage done to the economy vs say income taxes). But you do not implement them in a half ass way like Trump just did. You phase them in over time so domestic production can meet domestic demand and you actually target them intelligently. Investments in jobs domestically requires time AND knowledge the tariffs are long term (i.e. not an illegal executive order like Trump's that SHOULD NOT survive any court challenge). What he is doing now is literally going to cause unnecessary pain and suffering short term for the American people. And maybe that actually is the goal for the elites that are advising / puppeting him depending on what one believes about the situation.

These in fact were not "reciprocal tariffs." As Jeffrey Sachs mentions in this interview
, administration officials even ADMITTED they were not reciprocal "because that would take too much time" because they would have to do the analysis to see what each country was doing and target them appropriately. So INSTEAD they used the EXISTENCE of a trade deficit as evidence that the country has unfair trade policies towards the US...so you get a poor country whose main export is diamonds, something the US just does not produce, and has a populace that is so poor that it cannot afford US goods be hit with a 50% + tariff when they had no restrictive trade policies.
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Jeffery Sachs does a good job of explaining why Trumps approach is harmful. The little I've heard him speak I've found of value. The first time was his talk on how Trump dislikes Netanyahu which went viral and was appreciated by many. But a few things he said sound off the mark to me like Trump cutting taxes for the rich again, maybe for production purposes? I know he raised taxes on the wealthy in some cases in his last term and they worked furiously to get those removed. The middle class had a major decrease like I did by half. Also he says Trumps economy will harm the poorest in the US and people on Medicare will have their benefits removed. That's an old Liberal/Democratic ruse repeated endlessly in many forms. Only fraud will be cut in Medicare hopefully.

Also he's been a professor at Harvard and now long term at Columbia U which is known to be an indoctrination center for the radical left. So, some caution with him for me.
 
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