Also, the woman outside the car (her wife, presumably?), can be heard yelling "drive, baby, drive, drive!" just after the officer on the side told her to "get out of the f***ing car."
ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?
- Thread starter mabar
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Check out this video. Not only did the driver first tell the officer she wasn't mad at him, he clearly saw that she was steering the wheel away from him an instant before shooting at her.
Right, but it is also quite clear that the cop had full view of the fact that she was steering the wheel well away from him right before he shot.
Seems to me you have two women who are playing at resistance. They seem to be clueless to the danger of the situation. They're like children who have no clue that the fantasy world they've imagined isn't how it actually is. Those are real agents with guns. How qualified those agents are is another matter. That agent should be prosecuted, however. We can't have a precedence set where everyone must comply immediately or face extrajudicial execution disguised as self defense. He wasn't in danger for his life, more like his ego.
IMO of course.
IMO of course.
He probably would have been able to see, assuming she kept her hands positioned on the top of the wheel. Video doesn't show that part, unfortunately, just her prior turn where she straightens her wheels. Mick West synced the two main videos.
Watching it again, it's clear the the car does make impact. I was wrong about that in a previous post. If you look at his right heel you can see it slide back 4 inches or so. He shoots immediately after impact.
John G
The Living Force
He may have had his attention diverted to the drive baby drive lady's side of the car. The hit may have surprised him and he had no idea how the car was positioned relative to him. He may have also stopped his walk across the path of the car due to the drive baby drive lady and the driver may have been looking too much towards the wrong side of the car too.
Yes, by instinct the first shot. 2nd and 3rd shot (out of being in danger from her car), was with another intention.
Carlos Alberto
Padawan Learner
Yes, I think this is the biggest tragedy in this event. This discussion seems pertinent:
Session 10 October 2020
Seems to me that she straigthens and steers in the same continuous motion, so I don't see how he could have got the impression that she was aiming at him.
Also interesting that she previously said 'it's alright, I'm not mad at you', and that the recording is from his cell phone. At first I thought it was a body-cam but you can see on his reflection on the car that he is holding his phone and recording the whole thing. She wasn't having an attitude that would make him feel threatened and he didn't have the attitude of feeling threatened either.
John G
The Living Force
I think they are taught once you start shooting keep shooting to make sure you keep the upper hand. That policy could probably use some law of three amending.
Well, I wouldn’t assume fully that because sometimes for some people, our brains or minds could get a bit blinded or react in different ways if we get into panic mode or get a sudden raise of adrenaline for something happening.
On the other hand, you gotta really pay attention to tiny details, specially to what happens prior things like this occur, to determine more objectively what really happen, I mean, by footage alone I wouldn’t blame people to react negatively against the agent. But that’s the thing, like everything, the devil is in the details and besides, the way these agents react too (specially ICE) are a bit impulsive.
Precisely!
Nope. She straightens her wheels (visible on the officer's phone recording), accelerates, spins out (officer reaches for his gun at this point), stops accelerating (visible on the bystander recording), then accelerates again and steers in a continuous motion as she rams into him. When the vehicle makes contact the vehicle is still mostly driving straight ahead, barely turning. Pause the video at 0:15 and move the slider back and forth between 0:15 and 0:16. Between the contact and the shot fired, slide between 0:16 and 0:17 and you can see the car turning more dramatically.
That attitude is liberal white woman insouciance. Many such cases.
Need more interactions like this:
And fewer examples of this:
And fewer examples of this:
Renee Good was unarmed. She wasn't trying to run anyone over. She presented no danger at all. She wasn't even blocking the road. The feds rushed her, which undoubtedly spooked her into wanting to drive off, and then one of them needlessly shot her dead. Which US feds/cops do a LOT.
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