Tyrants large and small

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On monday I had a run in with a person. It was about 6pm and a woman came in from out of the rain. I kind of slinked away from my computer as I was reading some stuff here in the forum about history. She smiled, I found her somewhat attractive - a little older than myself. Blue eyes, thick brown hair and very small, maybe up to my shoulders.. - until I noticed her smell.

She had a couple bags with her, as well as her purse. I thought she was homeless as there was a hanger hanging out of one of her jumbo sized plastic bags. I asked her if I could help her and she said, "I'm just coming out of the rain." I was like "cool," it was pouring pretty hard outside. I thought she was going to kind of kick back and relax, there are stools and chairs for people to sit in here. She just stood there glaring. After a moments pause I said, it looks like the rain is lightening up and she said, well your open until 7pm.

I said no I'm closed on monday (I hate mondays). She argued and I pointed to the sign which made it clear to her. Her attention went to the cat who adopted me, "Hi kitty" and I turned and the cat was near the back of my store, and I explained for a minute about this timid (scaredy) cat who had come to adopt me. She then went on to say can I say hi to the kitty? I thought sure maybe then the situation will be more relaxxed.

I got the cat from behind a portable electric heater. I don't like towering over animals especially my particularly skiddish one. This cat was abused before it came and adopted me and so I give it a bit of space. So I brought her the cat and set it on the counter top for her to pet. She picked it up and it instantly wanted to get away from her. She said, "stop doing that," while pinching the cats skin some and pulling it more toward her. I was like what?

She said, I know 4 leggers and your making the cat try and get away from me. I was a good 5 feet from them and I don't do much cat telepathy that I am aware of. Finally the cat decided it was time to get tough and started growling at her. She set it down on a stool and it jumped away. It seemed everything I did or said she would contradict. I mean this in terms of the sky is blue -then- No it isn't.

I kept trying the make nice ploy as much as I could. I really wanted to be conforming and kind. In the end the cops were on the phone and she walked out. The police asked if they should come I said no. After 10-20 minutes I decided to go out for a smoke. My adrenalin was pumping even though I was relieved she left. Pacing around outside in the drizzle I went to the business next doors window and there she was sitting in there - I swear for a moment she did not even look like the same person. I can't get to deep into the story as it gets personal as to how well I know the shop keeper but after 7pm when he was closing I was again outside with a friend this time having another smoke (about 1/2 a cig at a time).

I was facing the guys shop and the light went off. The light came back on for a minute. I went and stood in front of the door and here she came out of the darkness leading the store owner. She came out and I asked the store owner if he was allright and if he needed help. She said, he doesn't need any help and if he is being harrassed the only one doing it was me and my friend.

I said I've lived here for some years and I have known this man for alot longer than that and she said "liar." From that instance I totally cut her off from nurishing herself off me. It was the strangest response I have ever noticed my body/mind/energy do to a person, it was as if she was not there. I closed in on her, my friend later thought I was going to assault her, to get right in her face though without even looking at her, and started to ask the store owner if I was lying. He acknowledged to me we have known each other for several years also without any look to her as if she was the one lying and walked off, she ran off in the other direction and I stood there with my friend asking, "what just happened?"

I started telling him about the 5-10 minutes I had with her in my store etc.. before this scenario. Yesterday (teusday) the store owner came to my shop and thanked me and implied that he thought he might have had to call the police on her. I told him that I had just before she went into his shop. It was the strangest thing cause I had never seen with such clarity these traits in someone, no use of stealth, everything I did or said was contradicted and she was not hiding her desire to try and control and confuse me.

It was the strangest most blatant experience I have ever had with someone I would consider a tyrant. I've been reading about them, studying them, trying to unintegrate some of their programs that I run, but I never imagined I would meet someone who I strongly believe was one, like a text book example straight out of the pages of "Unholy hungers" or "the mask of sanity." I've never experienced a clear example. I'm often a benefit of the doubt person often even in terms of psychopathic traits that are instilled in me. It's often difficult to discern such traits in others but this was clear cut and dry.

It seems to me in her mind she was going to take over my store in five minutes or less and thought there would be little or no resistence. At first she was right, at the end though it was amazing how I reacted. It almost seemed some unknown (to me) instinct took over and she was no longer there.

Any insights or similar experiences?

Added: She scared me to some degree. At one point I imagined she was going to attack me in my store.

 

[Z...]

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I once experienced similar thing, although the setting was slightly different
there is always some supernatural feel to such characters, I see such people as black holes, whose mind is bent on only one thing - to suck as much energy as possible from you
Now reading your story I thought well maybe there are different cratures then human walking in human form upon the earth, god knows for what purpose :)

 

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Heck yeah it was creepy! I feel lucky though cause every single thing I was seeing was as clear of a text book example as I can imagine possible. It was almost exactly like this..

"I see such people as black holes.." -No you don't

"whose mind is bent on only one thing - to suck as much energy as possible from you" -no they aren't!

It was the most combative opposing thing I've ever witnessed. Straight out of Castaneda or a story about identifying tyrants right out of Don Juans mouth. It was almost like a gift, as if it were intentional.. as if the person was maybe trying to size me up and see if I was learning something. I'm still kind of dumbfounded. The wierdest thing is I believe the woman felt completely self-justified in her attacks on me.

If she were more knowledgable than me I think she would have tried to teach me something, like in the case of the cat scenario. I asked her to show/tell me how I was controlling the cat. I really was inquiring to know/understand how she figured I was doing it.

 

[Renaissance]

It was the strangest thing cause I had never seen with such clarity these traits in someone, no use of stealth, everything I did or said was contradicted and she was not hiding her desire to try and control and confuse me.

It was the strangest most blatant experience I have ever had with someone I would consider a tyrant.

But the use of stealth is most always used in psychological deviants, and their actions are most often covert. Masks seem to come off when scratched or when they're overly comfortable. You situation may come from the latter, but perhaps there could be some other things going on in this experience. I think it's fair to suggest this woman has some personality disorder that disconnects her from understanding normal social rules. While such could result in deviant behavior, I think there's room to consider there's a potion of the population that has a personality deformity but not always to the degree that they're in the categories of characteropaths or psychopaths. By not trying to hide her actions she seems to be lacking the 'special knowledge' of psychopaths. Just some thoughts.

 

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Maybe she was trying to grasp at certain levels of my understanding. She could have been trying to probe how much she could or could not abuse me. Near the end my own mask may have been slipping(?).

Remembering further: Part of the initial conversation was that she had lost her children. I asked her if she had contacted the police and she said she knew all of them. I asked what did they have to say about her missing children she said "I wouldn't contact them, as I said, I know them, all of them." That kind of struck a chord so I said, yeah I think I understand what you mean.

I do think there was some stealth or visible underhandedness, but visible in terms of I was watching for it as the whole scenario felt completely foreign from the average run of the mill computer shopper. It was as if she were demanding certain things. As in: Even though your closed (after I pointed it out due to her arguing with me), I'll be hanging out until 7pm at least. I didn't really have a problem with that, I would have even been glad to offer her some food or a facility to wash, if she hadn't been so combative and I mean it in an extreme sense.

I think she played on my own quirks myself. I even noticed myself at one point going pffft, cause I was so unable to push down the growing rush of adrenaline. In terms of outside appearences I remained calm throughout until she told me she would not leave and I asked her in the kindest way I was capable. I can't say I am/was being vectored but I do wonder.

 

[Z...]

I think it's fair to suggest this woman has some personality disorder that disconnects her from understanding normal social rules. While such could result in deviant behavior, I think there's room to consider there's a potion of the population that has a personality deformity but not always to the degree that they're in the categories of characteropaths or psychopaths. By not trying to hide her actions she seems to be lacking the 'special knowledge' of psychopaths. Just some thoughts.

Yea that is always my approach when faced with such situations, but the with experience you learn how to distinct when there are some addtional elements other then simple personality disorder. And exactly at the point when you recognize these elements the whole thing becomes spooky.
And they dont necessarily have to be psychopaths, wouldnt it just be enough for such characters to be OP and serve as proxy servers for whoever?

just a thought too :)

 

[Keit]

Yea that is always my approach when faced with such situations, but the with experience you learn how to distinct when there are some addtional elements other then simple personality disorder. And exactly at the point when you recognize these elements the whole thing becomes spooky.
And they dont necessarily have to be psychopaths, wouldnt it just be enough for such characters to be OP and serve as proxy servers for whoever?

just a thought too :)

That will be my guess. Predators come in different forms and shapes, not all of them can be labeled as "psychopaths" (such generalization can be dangerous when one lacks extensive psychological knowledge) it doesn't mean that you shouldn't listen to your instinct and understand that you DID meet with some sort of predator, and try to protect yourself according to circumstances. Lot of parasites thrive on people's ignorance, and this woman (or maybe something that has control over her) was probably "fishing"...energy, attention, what ever...everyone has to eat, right? The question is, do you want to be a food.
It good that you learn to notice "feeding attempts", although not all of them fall into the same category.