UK TV appearance of Naomi Klein: Shock Doctrine tonight

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Naomi Klein is making an appearance on UK TV tonight at 22:00 on the 'More4' channel.

If anyone has access to this (I don't), it is worth keeping an eye out for, to see exactly what treatment she gets, what is let 'through the net' etc

I don't know if this will be available on the web afterwards (I'm guessing not, as it's a hot topic), so if anyone has access to it, it could be worth recording, so we can see what gets out, and pull to pieces any media-spin that will inevitably be applied.

_http://www.channel4.com/tv-listings

22:00 TRUE STORIES: SHOCK DOCTRINE
 
Nomad said:
Naomi Klein is making an appearance on UK TV tonight at 22:00 on the 'More4' channel.

If anyone has access to this (I don't), it is worth keeping an eye out for, to see exactly what treatment she gets, what is let 'through the net' etc

I don't know if this will be available on the web afterwards (I'm guessing not, as it's a hot topic), so if anyone has access to it, it could be worth recording, so we can see what gets out, and pull to pieces any media-spin that will inevitably be applied.

_http://www.channel4.com/tv-listings

22:00 TRUE STORIES: SHOCK DOCTRINE
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Just thought this was interesting. I read it on Friday in the Guardian.

Naomi Klein disowns Winterbottom adaptation of Shock Doctrine.

The link for the article is www.Guardian.co.uk/film/2009/aug/28/naomi-klein-winterbottom-shock-doctrine

I will watch anyway.

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and there is Naomi's semi-rebuttal of the Guardian article, here:

http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2009/08/clarification-shock-doctrine-documentary

Naomi Klein said:
I am getting many requests to respond to an article that appeared in the Independent reporting that I “disowned” The Shock Doctrine documentary that will air on More4 in the United Kingdom on Sept 1.

A few important points of clarification. I don’t have a credit on The Shock Doctrine documentary made by Michael Winterbottom and Mat Whitecross because it is not my film. I chose not to make the documentary myself because when I finished the book I had been utterly immersed in the material for five years and I believed the project would benefit from a fresh perspective. However, I did think the material in the book was so inherently visual and emotional that it had great potential for film. So I left the project in the hands of experienced directors whose films, such as “Road to Guantanamo,” I very much admired.

It is true, as the article states, that the original idea was for me to write and narrate the film. For that to have worked out, however, there would have needed to be complete agreement between the directors and myself about the content, tone and structure of the film. As often happens in collaborations, we had different ideas about how to tell this story and build the argument.

So we all—Michael, the producers, and I—came up with a compromise: that someone other than me would narrate and that it would be clear in all materials that this was not my film but rather Michael and Mat's adaptation of my book.

Nobody threw a fit or walked away. We ALL agreed to this compromise and the film's credits and format reflect that. I have been as involved in this project as I can be, watching cuts and making suggestions and corrections, which the directors were free to accept or reject. I continue to be in communication with the film team and wish the film success.
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Just watched it there and thought it was quite an eye-opening expose of the machinations of government. The film makers stopped short of some facts that could have connected the dots to the larger picture; one example, 9/11 was not only an opportunity for increased Shock politics/war/economic policies, but that the same clique were actually behind it all from the beginning.

One is left in doubt that we are all at war, whether we want to acknowledge that fact, or not. Pathological types declared this war against us, the ordinary masses of humanity and our initial response should be to maintain our collective memory of past abuses of power. The Pathological types who wage this dire war against normal populations are using the same tricks again, and again (no creativity?).

The documentary shows quite clearly those same tricks, Shock and Awe politics/War/propaganda/torture, used in Chile in the 70's, Yeltsin's Russia, Bremner's Iraq, all lead to Global corporations getting richer every day, while more and more people fall below the poverty line (while public corps are increasingly sold off at bargain basement prices..) - In short they're robbing us blind and most people are too 'shocked' to do anything about it.

I didn't hear about this one before (or I'd forgotten..) that on Sept 10th 2001, Rumsfeld declared war against 'Pentagon Bureaucracy'

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war on Pentagon Bureaucracy the day before 9/11 when he addressed the TWO POINT THREE TRILLION DOLLARS that went missing at the Pentagon: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld said he identified the adversary: "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he also added that "In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death,".
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Yeah i recommend anyone to watch this, not bad at all for a documentary on MSM TV.
 
Hi Nomad

Was already going to watch it, but following your post I recorded it as well.
I haven't read the book yet (its on my list!) but from what I saw it was pretty good.
The only problem I see that is missing from what was presented (although it may be missing from the book as well) was knowledge of penerology.
Other than that however it did present a good (if brief) history of shock (economic, social and psychological) tactics and how it is used to manipulate the economic and social policies of a country (they started with Chili then Argentina) and how the same happened in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that the current economic crysis is the same again. It finished with the suggestion that people are waking up to this tactic.

I will be curious to know if this is repeated on the more mainstream channels at an earlier prime time, but I think Nomad is right in that it may be the one and only show....
 
it's annoying that I couldn't see it. :headbash:

The main thing that interests me is that in the write-up for the program it describes the theory that governments use the 'opportunity' of already-traumatised countries to steam in and take over. Well, this is a complete twist on Naomi's thesis which is that the governments actually create these opportunities in the first place, ie: they are the ones who induce the trauma. So, I was wondering how that whole area was covered by the program?

And, yeah, the book is an essential read - it really puts the whole of 20th century history in a new light, it's a whole catalogue of extreme ponerology in action (though, interestingly, the book doesn't explicitly stray into psychopathy territory, as far as I remember).
 
Nomad said:
And, yeah, the book is an essential read - it really puts the whole of 20th century history in a new light, it's a whole catalogue of extreme ponerology in action (though, interestingly, the book doesn't explicitly stray into psychopathy territory, as far as I remember).
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Yes. Well worth the read, it really brings things into focus. And, no, she did not get into ponerology and did not touch the truth of 9/11, but perhaps that was "strategic enclosure"...

If you live in the UK, you probably already know you can watch it here: _http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-shock-doctrine/4od#2934729. I am hoping someone posts it on the internet so we can all see it.
 
Nomad said:
it's annoying that I couldn't see it. :headbash:

The main thing that interests me is that in the write-up for the program it describes the theory that governments use the 'opportunity' of already-traumatised countries to steam in and take over. Well, this is a complete twist on Naomi's thesis which is that the governments actually create these opportunities in the first place, ie: they are the ones who induce the trauma. So, I was wondering how that whole area was covered by the program?

And, yeah, the book is an essential read - it really puts the whole of 20th century history in a new light, it's a whole catalogue of extreme ponerology in action (though, interestingly, the book doesn't explicitly stray into psychopathy territory, as far as I remember).
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Its a little late/I'm tired, but from what I saw the documentary never explicitly said that it was the governments that caused the shocks....although it appeared to be implied (if you could read between the lines). For example Iraq, it was said that the war waged caused the shocks and left it at that. Other examples (and I'll have to double check I got this right) for example Chili described the country before the take over, Americas industry seeing the state there as a threat, followed by the take over and the interaction with the chicago boys.

So all told, it stopped short of saying who's causing these shocks, and I think this may be the only reason it was allowed to air perhaps? All the blame was left with the policies of one man (his name escapes me, but he was the one who came up with the economic policies) who is now dead......
 
RedFox said:
from what I saw the documentary never explicitly said that it was the governments that caused the shocks....although it appeared to be implied (if you could read between the lines). For example Iraq, it was said that the war waged caused the shocks and left it at that.

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So all told, it stopped short of saying who's causing these shocks, and I think this may be the only reason it was allowed to air perhaps?
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Thanks. As I suspected... :evil:

RedFox said:
All the blame was left with the policies of one man (his name escapes me, but he was the one who came up with the economic policies) who is now dead......
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Yup, that would be Milton Friedman, or John Maynard Keynes. And it fits right along with the John Nash 'game theory' mindset, that Laura expands upon in 'Wave7: Almost Human'.
 
FireShadow said:
And, no, she did not get into ponerology and did not touch the truth of 9/11, but perhaps that was "strategic enclosure"...
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could be. And if so, then it has worked because it has allowed her work into the mainstream, which is really good news. And 'enquiring minds' should really be able to make the jump to 9/11 being an inside job. I'd hope.

FireShadow said:
If you live in the UK, you probably already know you can watch it here: _http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-shock-doctrine/4od#2934729.
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excellent! :cool2:
 
I watched it and was shocked at just how clearly you could see the progress of this aggressive capitalism.

For me I haven't read the book yet and to be honest would have left it until towards the end of my list. Its been moved up the list for me now.

I don't have a very good grasp of political history, although being in the UK I remember Margaret Thatcher and the Miners strikes etc, but seeing the pattern repeated in other countries under different circumstances but each with the same outcome. More wealth and power for the Few, worse life for the many and always that introduction of violence and fear to get it all moving.

There was a quote that struck me by Orlando Letelier's widow in the documentary. (Letelier was Salvador Allende's Washington Ambassador murdered in Washington by a Car bomb in 1976)

She said "Not that I loved Pinochet, but he was our teacher in many things - We learned about Evil"
 
I watched it last night. Very powerful and it hit me right in the gut. Even though I read The Shock Doctrine previously, the fact that I saw everything I only read about made it that much more heartbreaking. This is something that most people would be able to understand and accept and would allow them to be educated about history without them having to accept "outrageous conspiracy theories." I hope they produce a DVD version of the documentary.
 
Heimdallr said:
I watched it last night. Very powerful and it hit me right in the gut. Even though I read The Shock Doctrine previously, the fact that I saw everything I only read about made it that much more heartbreaking. This is something that most people would be able to understand and accept and would allow them to be educated about history without them having to accept "outrageous conspiracy theories." I hope they produce a DVD version of the documentary.
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Well, i tried to watch it and the video is not there anymore.

They say that the video has been retired.
 
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