BinaryGirl
The Force is Strong With This One
Hi Everyone : )
The first/last time I posted was a few weeks ago and I had meant to reply sooner but my the motherboard on my laptop fried and I haven't been able to make this formal reply until now. My attempt here is to gain an understanding of the general consensus of views on this board and how it relates to my views, that's the nature of this post. My preface would be that I really like sott.net and at least read the front page articles daily. I own a copy of the book Political Ponerology and for many years have viscerally advocated many of the views that are commonly discussed here and elsewhere as to the nature of...things today. Also preface that I really do make an effort to read the posts on the forums but I haven't read everything so if there is something that I NEED to read, send me a link and I will read it, I promise : ) Mods: I'm not sure if this should go here or in 'disinfo'.
So, last week I tried to wrap my head around why the common view here is that people like David Icke and Alex Jones are considered disinfo when many of the things they talk about are either the same as what's discussed on sott or similar; and while I may not agree with everything that any one of these people says, I would probably agree with about 70-80% of it which would make that part of it credible enough for me. I gather the visibly more 'alarmist' presentation of many of those views, at least in Jone's case, but they can be proven with evidence and are typically far ahead of msm sources which are undeniably propaganda. Again with Icke, although he's maybe a little different by supporting a lot of views without a lot of tangible evidence and some dubious sources, he still has a lot of the same beliefs but wants to unify a wide variety of ideas into one large 'conspiracy against mankind' and I think that a lot of people can relate to it, even if the evidence is a bit mashed together. His views on life as a whole though really speak to me but that's another topic.
So I think I understand this a bit, and feel free to pick apart my analysis because I'm here for the sake of learning anyway: It's not that either of these people (or the wider variety of people like Rense, or the greater conspiracy-theory crowd - and I will comment that I don't pay much attention to the bulk of it) are always wrong, but rather that they mix lies with truth to deliberately mislead people as to the greater picture or the nature of these crimes against humanity and then create confusion and in-fighting between people who are aware and those who are not as 'aware'. As it is without question that the world governing bodies are not acting in the interest of humanity at large, but rather in the interest of themselves and that this is fairly self-evident to any rational human being. Since this IS self evident it is imperative for cointel to be successful to discourage and discredit the collective unification of groups who wish to change the direction of the future of our world towards the interest of humanity. And as people from all walks of life want basically the same thing (freedom, happiness, love, or anything on Maslow's heirarchy of needs) it is important to make people...everywhere believe that by doing [insert disasterous policy here] they are taking a positive step towards one or more of these goals. Am I getting close so far?
So what is the big picture? My understanding, at least since 2002 when I started understanding the nature of the international banks and the currency/banking system here is that they are typically behind most of the reasons why the world is under such tremendous oppression. I think that both Icke and Jones would agree with that assumption based on a wealth of evidence. My understanding for the future is that the goal is to create one massive global economy with a single currency that is borrowed from a central bank and which everyone is in 'debt' to this currency and will have to work forever to repay this debt (which is impossible); this would essentially be a kind of neo-feudalism where government and large corporations ala "The Company Store" own everything and everyone works in service to these groups; and in order to maintain control over this system, a very centralized method of tracking (currency, and in movement) and security would also be a requirement. Am I getting a little closer?
The nature of psychopathy here is very important to understand because it functions as an infection at a high level of power that turns people against their better judgement to attempt to understand or rationalize the thinking behind the 'leaders'. Then they start to feel isolated and feel as if their lives are not powerful or unique but rather over time to be in service towards these psychopaths who claim to do things for the good of people and have only their own interests in mind. This infection spreads as it attracts more people to the pathological mindset and creates very large quantities of these 'leaders' who have the not only the resources to protect their interests but the breadth of control to advance their agendas. This also creates generations of people who 'only look out for #1' and everything that goes along with that including the complete disassociation of humanity felt by the public and to believe that it's just 'normal'. Ideally they will develop a bond with this system ala Brave New World and become content with it as all the life support services are provided; they're just provided in a way to make you further and further dependent on it. Personally I've felt the sting of what you guys call 'rage fatigue'. This is something I've talked about with my friends for a very long time in remembering the book 1984 where people become so frustrated and feel so helpless for so long you WANT to believe something, even if you intellectually know that it's a lie. There are people who look hopefully at Mr. Bush when he talks about how our 'economy is built on a solid foundation' and 'the economy/Iraq is looking good' and you want to believe it so bad that even though you intellectually know that it's a lie, you believe it anyway; ala the security offered to protect from...whoever...by the Big Brother government.
I don't want to turn this into some long tirade on the matter so I'm trying to briefly go over my feelings. I wanted just enough clarification so it's clear my direction but not to really go deep into any one venue. If I were to vent, I have to do so in a really organized way so I dont explode : ) ...Anyway, am I getting warm here? The above is all what I would agree with so I just want to try to get a grasp on the overall political views on sott so I don't feel out of place when I post here. I'm one of those entj personality types and I need to have everything spelled out for me or else I start feeling insecure : )~
The first/last time I posted was a few weeks ago and I had meant to reply sooner but my the motherboard on my laptop fried and I haven't been able to make this formal reply until now. My attempt here is to gain an understanding of the general consensus of views on this board and how it relates to my views, that's the nature of this post. My preface would be that I really like sott.net and at least read the front page articles daily. I own a copy of the book Political Ponerology and for many years have viscerally advocated many of the views that are commonly discussed here and elsewhere as to the nature of...things today. Also preface that I really do make an effort to read the posts on the forums but I haven't read everything so if there is something that I NEED to read, send me a link and I will read it, I promise : ) Mods: I'm not sure if this should go here or in 'disinfo'.
So, last week I tried to wrap my head around why the common view here is that people like David Icke and Alex Jones are considered disinfo when many of the things they talk about are either the same as what's discussed on sott or similar; and while I may not agree with everything that any one of these people says, I would probably agree with about 70-80% of it which would make that part of it credible enough for me. I gather the visibly more 'alarmist' presentation of many of those views, at least in Jone's case, but they can be proven with evidence and are typically far ahead of msm sources which are undeniably propaganda. Again with Icke, although he's maybe a little different by supporting a lot of views without a lot of tangible evidence and some dubious sources, he still has a lot of the same beliefs but wants to unify a wide variety of ideas into one large 'conspiracy against mankind' and I think that a lot of people can relate to it, even if the evidence is a bit mashed together. His views on life as a whole though really speak to me but that's another topic.
So I think I understand this a bit, and feel free to pick apart my analysis because I'm here for the sake of learning anyway: It's not that either of these people (or the wider variety of people like Rense, or the greater conspiracy-theory crowd - and I will comment that I don't pay much attention to the bulk of it) are always wrong, but rather that they mix lies with truth to deliberately mislead people as to the greater picture or the nature of these crimes against humanity and then create confusion and in-fighting between people who are aware and those who are not as 'aware'. As it is without question that the world governing bodies are not acting in the interest of humanity at large, but rather in the interest of themselves and that this is fairly self-evident to any rational human being. Since this IS self evident it is imperative for cointel to be successful to discourage and discredit the collective unification of groups who wish to change the direction of the future of our world towards the interest of humanity. And as people from all walks of life want basically the same thing (freedom, happiness, love, or anything on Maslow's heirarchy of needs) it is important to make people...everywhere believe that by doing [insert disasterous policy here] they are taking a positive step towards one or more of these goals. Am I getting close so far?
So what is the big picture? My understanding, at least since 2002 when I started understanding the nature of the international banks and the currency/banking system here is that they are typically behind most of the reasons why the world is under such tremendous oppression. I think that both Icke and Jones would agree with that assumption based on a wealth of evidence. My understanding for the future is that the goal is to create one massive global economy with a single currency that is borrowed from a central bank and which everyone is in 'debt' to this currency and will have to work forever to repay this debt (which is impossible); this would essentially be a kind of neo-feudalism where government and large corporations ala "The Company Store" own everything and everyone works in service to these groups; and in order to maintain control over this system, a very centralized method of tracking (currency, and in movement) and security would also be a requirement. Am I getting a little closer?
The nature of psychopathy here is very important to understand because it functions as an infection at a high level of power that turns people against their better judgement to attempt to understand or rationalize the thinking behind the 'leaders'. Then they start to feel isolated and feel as if their lives are not powerful or unique but rather over time to be in service towards these psychopaths who claim to do things for the good of people and have only their own interests in mind. This infection spreads as it attracts more people to the pathological mindset and creates very large quantities of these 'leaders' who have the not only the resources to protect their interests but the breadth of control to advance their agendas. This also creates generations of people who 'only look out for #1' and everything that goes along with that including the complete disassociation of humanity felt by the public and to believe that it's just 'normal'. Ideally they will develop a bond with this system ala Brave New World and become content with it as all the life support services are provided; they're just provided in a way to make you further and further dependent on it. Personally I've felt the sting of what you guys call 'rage fatigue'. This is something I've talked about with my friends for a very long time in remembering the book 1984 where people become so frustrated and feel so helpless for so long you WANT to believe something, even if you intellectually know that it's a lie. There are people who look hopefully at Mr. Bush when he talks about how our 'economy is built on a solid foundation' and 'the economy/Iraq is looking good' and you want to believe it so bad that even though you intellectually know that it's a lie, you believe it anyway; ala the security offered to protect from...whoever...by the Big Brother government.
I don't want to turn this into some long tirade on the matter so I'm trying to briefly go over my feelings. I wanted just enough clarification so it's clear my direction but not to really go deep into any one venue. If I were to vent, I have to do so in a really organized way so I dont explode : ) ...Anyway, am I getting warm here? The above is all what I would agree with so I just want to try to get a grasp on the overall political views on sott so I don't feel out of place when I post here. I'm one of those entj personality types and I need to have everything spelled out for me or else I start feeling insecure : )~
