Uriel's Machine

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Just finished reading Knight's and Lomas' book Uriel's Machine. Thought I'd share some of the more interesting tidbits!

They take a similar approach to Laura in Secret History, positing a global catastrophe which destroyed a worldwide civilization, forcing members of that group to leave behind traces of their knowledge, in the hopes that future generations would re-learn the science that would allow them to predict future cometary cataclysms and take steps to protect themselves. The did this via what Gurdjieff would call legominisms, I think: myths, buildings, pottery, clothing, etc.

They give some evidence for a worldwide cataclysm in 7940 BC, but I think there's more evidence (from Firestone et al.) that this destruction took place closer to 10,500-11,000 BC. Perhaps the data they found to support the later date were from a later cataclysm. They give some frightening science supporting the idea of a massive worldwide Flood (basically massive tsunamis that would wipe out any signs of civilization, followed by heavy rains). Also present a bit of data for a cataclysm circa 3150 BC (just prior to the "unification" of Egypt), among other things.

As evidence for a worldwide civilization, they mention the Nostratic hypothesis, and incidentally, the dates they quote for its last use match up with the earlier date proposed for the Flood (10,000 to 15,000 years ago). One flaw: when presenting alternative human origin ideas (mentioning mitochondrial Eve in passing), they support the idea that Neanderthals were basically human, but the research Laura has presented puts that sacred cow to pasture.

The quote extensively from the Book of Enoch, and their analysis is really entertaining. They follow the clues to show that it was written in a certain northern region, right where the megaliths on the British isles exist, and it even contains descriptions that match up with the megaliths themselves (like Newgrange). Basically, the book describes the steps needed to create an "Uriel machine", an arrangement of stones which can serve as a calendar/computer, and predict cometary bombardments. The two "poles" in freemasonic rituals and the bible (asherah, Jachin and Boaz), and other myths, are actually the first step in its creation (the day when the shadows from the two poles at sunrise and sunset line up is the equinox, and from there the device can be constructed at any latitude).

The Book of Enoch repeatedly mentions giants, the watchers, and angels. Perhaps references to Nephilim, genetic mutations, and/or individuals who passed on the scientific knowledge after the cataclysm. (Interesting tidbit: in Aramaic, nephila means Orion.) I wonder if some instances of "Stalinization" can be discerned in the ancient texts. For example:

Chapter Eight of the Book of Enoch continues to accuse the Watchers [i.e. the learned northern dudes?] of committing fornication and teaching men the secrets of enchantments and astronomy. We are told that Shemihazai is rejected by God for luring 200 other angels to cohabit with local women, and that the offspring of these unnatural unions are the giants who become wicked leaders of men.

The timing of the arrival of the Sumerians suggests that they could have been a breakaway group of 'observers' from the Newgrange headquarters, who were expelled for interbreeding with the local women.

Seems possible to me that this was a post facto interpretation. If the northerners were the original "semites", then this seems like "keep the Jews pure" propaganda, designed to keep the genes isolated. And then there's the fear factor: the offspring are the evil giants (Nephilim)!

There's a neat bit on sin. According to K&L: "The Enochian concept of sin being an external factor inflicted on people was replaced by a concept of sin that was the individual's own fault." Could that mean "sin" was originally tied to cometary cataclysm? As in, comets brought evil. Later corrupted to: evil brings comets (as in, "you deserved it!").

The discussions on Skara Brae, Maes Howe, Newgrange are really fascinating. They give explanations for certain symbol-writing (spirals, lozenges, zig zags), uses for henges, tunnels, standing stones, describe effects on significant dates of the year, etc. Link to the Essenes at Qumran, the kings of Ireland/Scotland/England, bards, druids, freemasons, templars. Also some mention of the Tuatha de Danaan.

I found the bits on fertilization/birth/rebirth fascinating. It seems one of the uses of Newgrange was to determine the optimal time to make babies.

Apparently the light of Venus was important (also marked by Newgrange) and its 8-year cycle. They quote Rudolf Steiner as saying that, for the northern tribes, "only those people were regarded as worthy citizens of the earth who were born in certain weeks of the winter season ... the temple priests of the Mystery sites encouraged sexual union to take place only at a certain time in the first quarter of the year at the time of the full moon after the spring equinox." Around that time the "goddess" (light of Venus?) would fill the birthing chamber (mound), allegedly incarnating the soul. The description of Jesus' birth in the gospels matches this myth (in a cave, light of the star, mid winter).

On only 1 year out of 8 in its cycle, the light of Venus as a morning star passes through the tunnel of Newgrange, before the light of the winter solstice. And it just so happens that it shines at peak luminosity. Later on K&L write: "We know that Venus will be in its special position at the winter solstice in the year 2001, and it therefore was in the same position in the year AD 1 and 7 BC. As Herod the Great died in 4 BC, we can only conclude that Jesus was born in late December in 7 BC." Hmmm. Minus eight years from that and you get late December, 15 BC. And what's that the Cs said? That Jesus/Jesinavarah was born January 6, 14 BC. That's pretty darn close!

The Essenes were the group that wrote down the Book of Enoch in its current form (several copies/fragments were found at Qumran). Cs have said J was an Essene, as was his mother, if I remember correctly. Looks like J was conceived beginning of April (the time of Easter; first full moon after the equinox), and born after the winter solstice when this important Venus phenomenon took place. Very interesting connections!

One really fascinating part is the discussion on Sumeria. Apparently the writing that led to Sumerian had a lot in common with the megalithic symbols, suggesting they came from the same source. They hypothesize, as Laura does, that the Sumerians were a northern people that brought their intact to the group living in the Middle East.

I don't know enough about freemasonry to judge their claims in that department, but I agree with Laura that they need to get up to date regarding Judaism. They take a lot of it as a given, not taking into account that Judaism basically just rebranded northern myths and history as Judaic. There's a lot more in the book, and it's really entertaining, so if you get a chance, read it!
 
Thanks for the great summary, AI -- I just got ahold of this yesterday, and I'm excited to start reading it now. That bit about Nephila in Aramaic is sure interesting, as was your idea about Stalinization in the Book of Enoch -- great catch about the birthdate of Jesus, too :)
 
Yup, I thought that, even if they are still under the sway of certain Judaic programming, they did a fine job with this one. The working out of the "Uriel Machine" was just fascinating! I would say that this gives a lot of pieces to the puzzle of the Northern homeland of the "civilizing influence" which was, as you say, stolen and rebranded by the Jews. John van Seters and others DO see a lot of "Greek" influence on the writing of the Bible rather than the Jews influencing the Greeks. And then, there is that very interesting fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh contains elements of the works of Homer - even down to lines that are exactly the same, word for word, and the problem of how that happened so much before there could have been any contact between the two via the expansion of the Greek empire. (This in a book about the Hittites.)
 
Uriel machine is a fascinating book. I have the impression however that they force a little on certain connections so to accommodate their views (especially in history). The authors are brillant, but there is somehow too much coincidences in their approach, as if it was monitored. Or maybe they just don't want to give all their sources. The whole connection to the megalithic civilisation and the study of Newgrange are brillant. The Uriel machine in itself is fascinating. You just want to go to your backyard to build one :) However, their explanation of how to obtain the "megalithic yard" is not convincing IMHO.

In their discussion about the end of the Pleistocene, they observe that most of the animals we have in our epoch was not present before the grand cataclysm, and that maybe it was genetically engineered at the end of that epoch, being the grand aberration on earth or something. RyanX made the same remark today concerning the apparition of wheat.

The story in Enoch (Noah?) book says that Uriel (the grand druid at Newgrange, seen by the illiterate Enoch as god himself) told Enoch how to build the machine (to see if a Comet is close to the ecliptic, which means danger of extinction) and to tell the "watchers" (northern people living in the middle east or somewhere else) that they're going to die, and that they don't have all the knowledge. I guess these people know better than Enoch how to build the stone calendar and even its purpose, unless the purpose is reserved to the druids (or shamans or whatever)? If it is not the case, what other knowledge is hidden to these watchers (who teach southern people mathematics, astronomy etc.)?

The authors say that is happend twice, a first time as somehow a surprise, and a second time when these people (watchers) warned Enoch in order to preserve what remained of knowledge (before the first cataclysm people knew genetic manipulation). And then at the end of the book they explain that all free masonry is based upon the transmission of this knowledge about astronomy and this cosmic catastrophe in the past. But, surprisingly, they do not say it is cyclic, and they don't give any approximation to the catastrophe cycle. Is it part of the masonic secret at their level or above?
 
The Uriel machine in itself is fascinating. You just want to go to your backyard to build one Smiley

yeah ,I know...after reading the book I started looking for places that would lend themselves for building a stone circle or even just a wood henge still haven't given up on the idea quite tricky to find a spot with 360 degree unobstructed view of the horizon
 
rrraven said:
yeah ,I know...after reading the book I started looking for places that would lend themselves for building a stone circle or even just a wood henge still haven't given up on the idea quite tricky to find a spot with 360 degree unobstructed view of the horizon

It might take more than a year to complete it if you want to build it the way of the ancients. It might be useful in case of a complete colapse of our actual technology :D
 
thanks for recommending this book, AI!

i found it also quite fascinating.

has anybody read their other books?
 
Iconoclast said:
thanks for recommending this book, AI!

i found it also quite fascinating.

has anybody read their other books?

I have read two of their books, The Second Messiah and The Book of Hiram, about 4 years ago. I think their previous book was The Hiram Key. They write mainly about The Templars history, the Temple of Jerusalem, Rosslyn Chapel, the Dead Sea Scrolls, The Turin Shroud and touch on many other subjects such as the Bible and early human history especially the Grooved Ware people. I like the way they write a conclusion at the end of each chapter.

The following link is to their website, which also has a link to the Bradford University in UK, which has a dedicated website on all things Masonic, which they have donated to the university.

_http://www.knight-lomas.com/index2.html
 
Interesting article at this link http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5167/a_100000yearold_civilisation.html that mentions the book, and reinforces one of my pet theories, namely that the race of giants might be the Neanderthals. There is certainly more and more investigative work pointing to a much older origin of the human race and human knowledge base than what is found in the textbooks in popular use. And with the recent events in Japan, that the article also mentions ancient worldwide flooding of possible tsunami character, is a nice synchronicity. BTW, there is evidence on a mountainside in Hawaii of an ancient tsunami of 750 feet above sea level. That's right, 30x as high as the Sendai tsunami.
 
monksgirl said:
Interesting article at this link http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5167/a_100000yearold_civilisation.html that mentions the book, and reinforces one of my pet theories, namely that the race of giants might be the Neanderthals. There is certainly more and more investigative work pointing to a much older origin of the human race and human knowledge base than what is found in the textbooks in popular use. And with the recent events in Japan, that the article also mentions ancient worldwide flooding of possible tsunami character, is a nice synchronicity. BTW, there is evidence on a mountainside in Hawaii of an ancient tsunami of 750 feet above sea level. That's right, 30x as high as the Sendai tsunami.

Well, actually, Neanderthals were more like trolls, short and stocky. I suspect that the race of giants - possibly even cannibalistic giants - was a completely different line.
 
I think I had a senior moment, confusing Neanderthal with Cro-Magnon, which were the tall robust race. But the article gives references to late findings suggesting the Neanderthal adopted an older civilization's cultural trappings and possibly beliefs as well as practices.
 
monksgirl said:
I think I had a senior moment, confusing Neanderthal with Cro-Magnon, which were the tall robust race. But the article gives references to late findings suggesting the Neanderthal adopted an older civilization's cultural trappings and possibly beliefs as well as practices.

I think you were reading nonsense. There is a thread about Neanderthals on the forum here... search for Paul Mellars.
 
For those who appreciated Uriel's machine, despite its limits, here is a presentation by one of the authors, A. Butler where he talks a little about the material in "before the pyramids" and "civilisation one" :

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33dKFtCXEFA

One the other hand I've read recently another book by these authors C. Knight and A. Butler called "The Hiram Key Revisited" and it was so disappointing, reading it was almost painful. There were however a few speculations that, if pursued more seriously, could lead to something about the nordic covenant, butthat again is just speculation.
 
i recently read "Civilization One" by these authors and found it quite interesting. it deals mainly with the "megalithic yard".
not perfect, but food for thought.
 
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