Vote Misallocation in Ireland - video

Miss Isness

Jedi Master
It seems there's a simple formula. Make the Irish feel the consequences of their first no vote via economic warfare. Pretend to address the people's concerns by supposedly changing the treaty. Publish lots of fraudulent polls saying the majority will vote 'yes', as well as politicians being quoted as being confident of a yes vote, and other propaganda. Then simply manipulate the results. I can't prove that's what happened, but it seems to be par for the course, and the following video certainly does give rise to the suspicion that the vote was manipulated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouUN2ylqGNI
 
Thanks E :)

How about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t764ACqXK3M It appears there was no ballot box security whatsoever.
 
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1003/1224255787003.html

Kildare residents not eligible to vote sent polling cards

FIONA GARTLAND

VOTING CARDS: SOME RESIDENTS in Kildare who are not Irish citizens received polling cards to vote in yesterday's referendum, the Department of the Environment has confirmed.
It is not known if any of those in receipt of polling cards who are not entitled to vote actually voted.

The database sent by Kildare County Council to the mailing company contained the entire register of electors for the county.

The register of electors includes all those who are entitled to vote in any election, including local elections.

Residents who are not Irish citizens are entitled to vote in local elections but not in referendums.

In the past, each local authority dealt with its own polling cards. It would receive cards from the department with a blank space for the name, address and polling station of the voter and the details would be printed on the cards through a mail merging system.

The production of combined polling cards and information booklets was centralised for the first time this year.

All local authorities were instructed to supply electorate databases to one of two mailing companies who printed the details on the booklets and then passed them on for distribution.

A spokesman for Kildare County Council said it supplied the full database because it was instructed to do so by the Department of the Environment.

"We did what we were instructed to do; had we been producing the cards ourselves, we would have only used the presidential list of voters," he said.

A spokesman from the Department of the Environment conceded that the circular it sent to all local authorities about the new arrangements contained "some ambiguity".

However, he said the department was not aware of any other local authority who had supplied the entire register of electors to the mailing company.

He also pointed out that polling officers could check on their lists whether a person attending a polling station to vote was actually entitled to vote.

"The register will clearly identify those who are not entitled to vote," he said.

It may not be possible, however, to identify whether or not a person who was not entitled to vote actually voted.

Unlike in a general election, the sheets used by polling officers to note who or who has not voted are not kept beyond the day of voting, the spokesman added.

Meanwhile, the Irish Print and Packaging Forum has criticised remarks made by Olivia Mitchell TD in which she said the centralised printing of the polling cards was a disaster.

Director of the organisation Gerry Andrews said the companies involved had done an excellent job.

He said it had carried out the work on schedule and in some cases ahead of schedule.

"This contract was a small opportunity for the SMEs involved to win a public contract for the first time," he said.

"It is worth noting that not a single politician had a comment to make when last year's Lisbon Treaty printing contract was needlessly imported from Portugal," he said.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1003/1224255787003.html



Call for OSCE election monitors to oversee Lisbon Referendum amid growing concern about electoral fraud

September 30, 2009 by Infowars Ireland

There has been a formal call for the OSCE to oversee the Irish Lisbon referendum amid growing concerns that the result of the Irish referendum may be manipulated by postal vote fraud.

A source within the Dublin City Council have informed the former MEP candidate Fiachra Ó Luain of efforts by the head of the Franchise department to actively register residents of retirement homes, prisons and even the army. The source has said that the head of the Franchise department has unsupervised and unregulated access to the postal votes and suggests that there may be concerted efforts to influence the outcome of the Lisbon referendum by manipulation of the postal vote system. This corroborates the fact that the ‘People’s Movement’, who are calling for a No vote, received notice from various county councils of the issue of postal votes the day after they had been sent out.

Earlier this week Emmett Stagg TD, stated that 600 polling cards had been received by international residents who are not legally entitled to vote in the referendum. This compounds suspicions that there are deliberate efforts to alter the result of the Lisbon referendum. The Gael poll that was accurate to within 0.5% in 2008 puts the No vote at 59%, contradicting the result of the less extensive Red C poll.

During the June 2009 European elections, 3000 first preference votes were found to have been misappropriated from Fiachra Ó Luain to another candidate in the Ireland North West constituency during a recheck of a random 10% of the votes. The Garda Siochána (Irish police) were asked to investigate how this occurred by the Independent candidate Mr. Fiachra Ó Luain who suspects that this was not an inadvertent mistake. The fact that the police responded by putting the same Garda who had been in charge of the election count in charge of the investigation, and the fact that the Returning Officer in charge of the count has “refused” to give a statement has raised further suspicion of foul play on behalf of the authorities. Following a complaint to the local Superintendent, Ó Luain later wrote to the Garda Commissioner Fachtna Murphy and Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government Mr. John Gormley requesting a new, full and transparent Garda investigation, with the full co-operation of the Returning Officer. As of yet there has been no explanation as to why after three and a half months there has literally no investigation into how thousands of votes can be misallocated. In a bid to draw public attention to the issue of mass vote misallocation and an apparent Garda cover-up, Ó Luain made a YouTube video that can be seen at YouTube – FiachraForEurope’s Channel. Following this the 28 year old Independent politician received information about deliberate attempts to manipulate the postal vote system within the Franchise department of the Dublin City Council. http://info-wars.org/2009/09/30/call-for-osce-election-monitors-to-oversee-lisbon-referendum-amid-growing-concern-about-electoral-fraud/

On this: http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/109203-im-sure-we-have-election-fraud-7.html thread there are also some interesting comments. Here are a couple:

Yes and when I say immigrants I am talking about good friends of mine who are British. They actually voted No. But the point is that they voted.

i couldint agree more with tread starter there was no garda monitoring of elections everytime i have voted in the past there has always been a garda presence at the polling station but not this time then the next day i get up and every constituancy has a 20%-21% increase i mean what are the odds onless the same number of yes votes were stuffed into them by the private company transporting them? i mean we vote with pencils for gad sake it was the most sickening display of rigging the world has seen since bush

Then there's this:

TO:
MrJustice Frank Clarke
Chairman,
The Referendum Commission
18 Lower Leeson St.
Dublin 2

FROM:
Anthony Coughlan
The National Platform EU Research and Information Centre
24 Crawford Avenue
Dublin 9
Tel.: 01-8305792

Thursday 24 September 2009

Dear Mr Justice Clarke

May I enclose for your information a copy of the new edition of the Lisbon Treaty: The Readable Version, the first edition of which I sent you and your Referendum Commission colleagues some time ago. I also enclose a document which describes the main changes the Lisbon Treaty would make.

May I take the opportunity of saying that the current Lisbon referendum, as I presume you have noted, has been characterized by monstrous illegality on the part of several key parties, as follows:-

1. The intervention of the European Commission, which is unlawful under European law, as the Commission has no function in relation to the ratification of new Treaties, something that is exclusively a matter for the Member States under their own constitutional procedures;

2. The part-funding of the posters and press advertisements of most of Ireland's Yes-side political parties by their sister parties in the European Parliament, even though it is illegal under Irish law to receive donations from sources outside the country in a referendum and when, under EU law, money provided by the European Parliament to cross-national political parties is supposed to be confined to informational-type material and to avoid direct partisan advocacy. I read that the Green Party has refused such funding from its sister party in the European Parliament on the ground that it is advised that this is illegal under European law

(Later comment on this latter point inserted by A.Coughlan:
Presumably this scrupulousness is because Green Party Local Government Minister
John Gormley, as Minister responsible for running the referendum, cannot afford to
have the political party he belongs to flout the law!)



3. The Government's unlawful use of public funds in circulating to voters a postcard with details of the so-called "assurances" from the European Council, followed by a brochure some time later containing a tendentious summary of the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty - both steps being in breach of the Supreme Court's 1995 judgement in McKenna that it is unconstitutional of the Government to use public money to seek to procure a particular result in a referendum;

4. The failure of your own Referendum Commission to carry out its statutory function under the 1998 and 2001 Referendum Acts of preparing for citizens a statement or statements "containing a general explanation of the subject matter of the proposal (viz. the proposal to amend the Constitution) and of the text thereof in the relevant Bill", namely the 28th Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2009.

May I make some points to you and your Referendum Commission colleagues regarding this.

The Lisbon Treaty-Your Guide which you have circulated to voters makes no attempt to inform them about the proposed Constitutional Amendment, despite that being your prime statutory duty and that of your Referendum Commission colleagues under the Referendum Acts.

The leaflet and other material which you have made available do not tell citizen-voters that the new first sentence of the proposed Amendment we shall be voting on provides that the State "affirms its commitment to the European Union" which would be established by the Lisbon Treaty - a sentence, incidentally, that was not in the Constitutional Amendment in last year's referendum - and you give voters no idea that this is the case or what such a commitment might entail.

You do not inform voters that the second and third sentences of the proposed Amendment make clear that ratifying the Lisbon Treaty would abolish the European Community which Ireland joined in 1973 and would establish in its place a new European Union on the basis of the Lisbon Treaty which would be constitutionally very different from the European Union that we are currently members of, or what that difference might be.
Nowhere in the Referendum Commission's information material that you have sent to voters do you advert to the fact that the Lisbon Treaty would confer on Irish citizens an "additional" citizenship of the post-Lisbon European Union, with associated citizens' rights and duties vis-à-vis that Union, and what the implications of such a change might be.

One would think that there could be be few things more constitutionally important for citizens than being endowed with an additional citizenship. Yet you and your Commission say absolutely nothing about it in the "information" material you have circulated - in violation of the provisions of the Act which gives you your authority.

You say nothing about how the rights and duties that we would have as real citizens of the constitutionally new European Union which the Lisbon Treaty would establish would relate to our rights and duties as Irish citizens in the event of any conflicts arising between the two; or how the "additional" citizenship that Lisbon would endow us with differs from our essentially notional and symbolical EU "citizenship" of today.

It is clear that such a dereliction of duty on your part and that of your fellow Commissioners amounts to constitutional delinquency of a high order, as well as being a gross misuse of the ¤4 million of public money that you have been entrusted with. It will be interesting to see how future historians assess your actions.

As for yourself personally, instead of doing the job which the Referendum Acts impose on you, you have arrogated to yourself the task of answering questions on the Lisbon Treaty on the radio and in the press, in which you give your personal opinions and judgements, whereas all statements by the Commission should be collectively agreed by its members, as the Referendum Acts clearly envisage.

In no way do the Referendum Acts authorise you to do the "solo runs" on radio and in the press that you have undertaken. Your predecessor, retired Chief Justice TA Finlay, who was an exemplary chairman of the Referendum Commission between 1998 and 2002, would never have permitted this.

Some of the oral statements you have made, moreover, have been either false or misleading. From several l examples I could give, I quote two. A fortnight ago you accepted in response to a question on Morning Ireland that the right of Member State governments to "propose" and decide their National Commissioner would be changed by the Lisbon Treaty into a right to make "suggestions" only, effectively for the incoming Commission President to decide - that key person's appointment being in the gift of the Big States.

You added the rider however that you did not think this change was of much consequence. You must be aware from previous private correspondence that I had with the Referendum Commission on behalf of my colleagues in our EU Research and Information Centre that many people on the No-side consider this be a Lisbon Treaty amendment of considerable consequence. One way or another, its consequences are clearly a matter of political judgement which it is not your job as Referendum Commission chairman to make.

Last Friday I heard you state on Morning Ireland that the difference between the "additional" citizenship that we would have of the post-Lisbon European Union and the notional or symbolical "complementary" EU citizenship we are said to have today was "of no great consequence" either, or words to that effect. Yet the most cursory acquaintance with the constitutional changes which the Lisbon Treaty and the Constitutional Amendment to ratify it would bring about, shows that this is just not true. Lisbon is the old Treaty Establishing a Constitution for Europe after all which the French and Dutch rejected in 2005, even if it implements that Constitution for Europe indirectly rather than directly.

You and your Referendum Commission colleagues still have some time left in which to fulfil your statutory function under the Referendum Acts that set you up. You still have a few days in which to do your duty to the Irish people whom you are profoundly failing at present, as they face their historic decision of next Friday with virtually nothing from you and your Referendum Commission colleagues which might give them "the general explanation of the subject matter" of the Constitutional Amendment "and of its text", on which they will be voting, as the Referendum Act requires.

On behalf of citizens all over the country who are deeply disquieted by the Referendum Commission's failure to provide information on how the Lisbon Treaty would affect the Consitution, may I appeal to you to do that duty still and to carry out your statutory function under the Referendum Acts.

Yours sincerely

Anthony Coughlan

Director
President, Foundation for EU Democracy, Brussels
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/94259

It will be interesting to see if more accounts of fraud will surface in the days to come. I can't help but wonder if it will change anything if they do. I would think that the sooner the issue gets publicity, the more likely people are to stand up for themselves.
 
Independent.ie said:
Gardai to investigate suspected vote fraud
Friday July 03 2009

GARDAI are set to launch an investigation into suspected electoral fraud after revelations about voters registered to an empty house.

It came after the Irish Independent reported last week that seven immigrants were registered to vote at the house which had not been lived in for almost three years.

Their names were added to the supplementary voting list in Monaghan just days before the deadline expired -- and the county council did not have the staff to check them.

Monaghan County Council subsequently launched its own investigation and its returning officer Paul Clifford confirmed yesterday he had now referred the issue of late voter registrations to the gardai.

"I have referred a query in relation to the inclusion of applicants to the supplement to the Register of Electors, to An Garda Siochana, to investigate whether offences were committed contrary to the 1992 Electoral Act or the 1995 Electoral Regulations," he said.

It is an offence under the electoral acts for a person to give false information in order to vote.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-to-investigate-suspected-vote-fraud-1803847.html

At this link http://www.gopetition.com/online/31224.html it is possible to sign a petition declaring the referendum fraudulent and illegal. If you scroll down a number of grievances are made, such as having to vote in pencil, which is also brought up in these videos: http://www.livevideo.com/video/3860B7AE161B43CBABD27EFD03E4715F/lisbon-voting.aspx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBYYCzI0_Co&feature=player_embedded

Lack of balanced media coverage also spoken about in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCMlGNVab58&feature=related

According to the next article, citizens were prevented from monitoring the number of ballot boxes, and the number of ballots cast in each box with threats of arrest.
Cóir Crys “Foul”

Cóir Date: 02.10.2009

Cóir has said that the State has undermined the confidence the electorate can have in the referendum process by threatening citizens with arrest if they proceeded with plans to monitor the vote on the Lisbon Treaty.

“Today we were told by Dublin City Sheriff, Brendan Walsh, that he had asked the Gardaí to take action against any of our volunteers who sought information as to the number of votes cast in a polling station at the end of the day,” said Manus Mac Meanmain of Cóir.

“To say we are shocked is an understatement,” he continued. “In conversation with Cóir, Mr Walsh confirmed that the information being requested by Cóir was compiled by the Presiding officer at each polling centre at the end of the day’s voting in any case.”

“But now he has threatened any citizen who politely requests that information from the Presiding Officer with arrest! This is simply outrageous, and will shatter the faith citizens should be able to have in this referendum process.”

Cóir plans to monitor polling in the Lisbon Treaty referendum and the counting of votes to ensure the vote is fair, free and transparent.

“Our volunteers want some simple information: the number of ballot boxes in the polling station, and the number of votes cast in each ballot box at the end of polling,” said Mr Mac Meanmain.

“Requesting this information creates no undue pressure or additional work for the Presiding Officer in each polling station. Most importantly, it allows citizens to freely engage in the democratic process and ensures those same citizens can monitor the referendum and have faith in a democratic, free and fair vote.” Cóir pointed out that it was traditional for Presiding Officers in polling stations to give similar information to the media throughout the day, and at the close of the day. “We can see that in today’s reporting to date,” said Mr Mac Meanmain.

He said that the move by Dublin City Sheriff would create anger and suspicion amongst voters already alarmed that the requirement for equal airtime for Yes and No campaigners has been set aside, while the EU Commission was funding Yes propaganda.

“I would have previously said developments didn’t inspire confidence. Now, I would say the situation is downright alarming,” said Mr. Mac Meanmain. “Citizens should never have to seek the permission of the State to monitor the State. That’s not a democracy,” he concluded.

http://teameurope.info/node/674

Will there be a big enough out cry to derail the lisbon treaty?
 
strangely enough, as soon as I heard the result the thought that it was rigged just popped into my head. I don't doubt it is possible that it was, there issues involved, were far too important to allow the people to decide, as Kissinger once said of presidential elections in Chile. Soon after, the CIA overthrew Allende and installed Pinochet for 30 years of bloodshed.
 
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