What about the kids?

Infernal

Padawan Learner
Firstly I apologize if this has been posted about before and I missed it. Secondly I apologize for my atrocious typing on an iPad keyboard.
Now that digressions are out of the way...

I'm a 37 year old father of two. My boy turns 5 in February and my little girl turns 3 in just over a month. I adore these two little beings with ever fibre of my being. They truly mean the world to me. I love them so dearly it almost hurts.
Now I have heard the Cs say countless time "Knowledge protects. Ignorance endangers". I see the point, I understand and agree.
Currently reading "High Strangeness", the part I am struggling with as to when and what to teach my children. I dare say as clever as they are, they're not ready to deal with awareness of this calibre. But nor do I wish to leave them defenceless of what is to come and what is currently 'out there'.

I have been wrestling with this with many sleepiness nights and nothing concrete as far as anything resembling an answer.

Does anyone have any thoughts, or even a monologue to help me list the issues and implications?

I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Maybe reading High Strangeness to them would work well and emphasize that it's not a hopeless situation. It could go well if they learn to understand knowledge protects and in a way it could be a bonding experience. What I mean by bonding experience is that we're in this together so there's no need for fear especially if you can explain the concepts of densities. Also an analogy to a modern movie i.e like the matrix or the wizard of oz (the latter being more kid friendly of course) and humor would definitely lighten up the mood! :)
 
I wouldn't suggest reading your very young children High Strangeness at this age. They're quite young for this, imo.
Perhaps gently letting them know that sometimes people are not nice, and keeping your young ones close to you at this tender age so they're safe, not to go off with strangers, etc..would be what I'd teach my own kids at 2 and 4.
 
Hi Infernal,

It's not a good idea to force those ideas upon your children, especially at that age. They'll find out soon enough the reality they're living in ;).

If they are asking questions, it's always a good approach to be attentive to how the child respond and try phrasing your answers to their level of understanding but I agree it's not always easy...When in doubt I just say "go ask this to your mom" :D :P
 
ajseph21 said:
Maybe reading High Strangeness to them would work well and emphasize that it's not a hopeless situation.

Lisa Guliani said:
I wouldn't suggest reading your very young children High Strangeness at this age. They're quite young for this, imo.
Perhaps gently letting them know that sometimes people are not nice, and keeping your young ones close to you at this tender age so they're safe, not to go off with strangers, etc..would be what I'd teach my own kids at 2 and 4.

I agree. I don't think High Strangeness is appropriate or understandable for kids at all.

I personally think that dealing with 3D stuff first is best (others might disagree). In a sense, alien abductions are not really top priority to know compared to, say, psychopaths. If you were able to give them knowledge, little by little, about psychopaths and how ponerized our world is, what an advantage already! So many adults don't even know about these topics.

Another reason to go slow and to stick to 3D stuff at first, is that kids typically share new knowledge with their peers at school. And if you don't want to answer phone calls from parents asking you why their son is suddenly scared to go to bed because of alien abductions, maybe it's best to have some strategic enclosure in that area as well.

What we did and still do with our daughter (she's 7), is that we focus on 'appearances can be deceiving' kind of stories. For example, you can read Little Red Riding Hood and ask questions: What happened in the story? Could LRRH trust the wolf? Why? He sure seemed so nice, though, how come we cannot trust him? That sort of stuff. We discuss how people can wear masks and not be who they say they are. So far, it interests her and it is not too scary. As you surely know, children can easily be very scared by things that us adults find silly. You know better than anyone else what they are ready to hear and how to best convey the message to them.
 
When I'm faced with something that seems complicated from the on-set and not sure how to proceed past the mental processing, into a working model or hypothesis, I tend to mentally take pieces of the puzzle apart to find a starting point. From there, it's to try to envision the out come or goal of the intended action.

If I have a starting point and a fairly good idea of the desired outcome, I keep myself open to the possibilities and opportunities that present themselves along the way, towards that goal. Nothing is "set in stone" but open and fluid. I may be use to doing things in a certain way, through experience or being taught and instructed, only to find myself in a situation that expresses "a different way" of approaching my goal, in a simpler and more refined way. In that case, I have the option of falling back on experience in any given objective or I can "test the water" in expanding my awareness - of another way of doing something that brings about the same results towards the intended goal.

I think, one of the beautiful things about our Species, is that we are not cookie-cut-outs of one another but multi-talented with divest back grounds and experience. One size doesn't fit all - even though outside interference's have pushed forward with that mind set. There's something deep within our essence, that expresses "freedom of choice and the willingness to express that." We want that, not only for ourselves but for our species, as a whole. Most importantly, we're born with protective instincts; to protect ourselves, our families and extended family. Our young one's are an extension of our life, with our genetic make-up, traditions and knowledge we're passing on. We have an innate desire to protect them from harm.

Infernal, as a Father, you already have a starting point with your children. Along with providing for their basic needs and security, nurture their curiosity in learning new things about the environment around them. Numbers, color's, textures - letter's, the alphabet and forming words, so they can properly identify things and places by their names or locations. Teach them their name (including Mom's and you), their home address (and in time - phone #) as a security measure.

I had an experience with my 2 y.o. Grandson - that threw an old fashion taboo out the door. My Daughter-in-law was folding clothes on the Diningroom table while I was visiting for a few minutes on the weekend. My Grandson needed his diaper changed, so Grandma elected to help out. We have a nice arrangement, where by, the Grandparent's take turns during the week to watch him, while Mom and Dad work full time jobs. We (Grandparent's) usually leave them alone on the weekends, unless it's a Holiday, so they can spend time together and do their own things. But on this day, I was dropping off a few idems from the Farmer's Market and pitched in to help for a moment. As I was changing my Grandson's diaper, he pointed and said, "Penis - Grandma - this is my Penis."... this is my belly button, etc. I must have turned ten shades of green (out of shock and embarrassment) which my Daughter-in-law immediately noticed. I finished dressing him and he was off and running. She explained, that as Parent's, they felt it was necessary to teach their Son, proper names and association of his body, so as, not to set up verbal distortions in reporting any suspected sexual abuse, in the event something was attempted in the future. He was instructed on "good touch - bad touch" and how to interact with other children. The "do's and don'ts."
Plus, learning how to share his toy's and play with other children. She has a career in working with children, day care's and elementary school children. Since child sexual abuse has finally come out in the open and Law's are beginning to address the problem, additional education and instruction have been given to Care-givers on behavior and physical symptoms and what to look for - in identifying abuse. In teaching children the proper names for body parts, it's reasoned, that it would subtract or neutralize any associated embarrassment or shame in reporting an incident of suspected sexual overtones or physical contact. I have to admit, I agree with her assessment and had to take some time out, to address my own issues in my own programming. (A 2 y.o. just taught his 60 y.o. Grandmother a new way of looking at a situation. )

Both of my Son's are in their 30's and married. As for the "High Strangeness" and struggling with our "true reality" and relating that knowledge to them - it has been a slow process but a steady one. In a sense, I've had to absorb and process the information within myself - and work through the process of understanding "truth" before being able to pass on that knowledge to them. Explaining diet and working on oneself was my first attempt. Ordering books, reading and re-reading, then passing them on, for them to read has helped open up discussion on the main topics. It's a process - in motion but we all have to start somewhere.
 
My first question is, Do you see any symptoms that kids are under some sort of psychic attack ?. If NO, I will not tell them or read the 'high strangeness' book.

Kids first priority is learning the basic foundational lessons of 3D . They have to feel safe and secure to feel, express, think, learn and trust the process of life before any thing else. Kids are smart to sense others emotions, so when you feel horrified while telling them, they pick up things you are not aware and they feel the same. Kids has to go out and mix with society for their brain to develop and we don’t want them stuck between 2 worlds. But you can tell indirect ways at the same time making them feel safe and secure to express their worries and concerns.

After watching ‘Animal Farm’, my son mentioned that it is the terrifying movie he has seen. He already made the connection to the reality.

since I tell different concepts indirectly in the form of stories with some jokes in between, My son knows about the psychopaths. Once my son’s teacher suggested to him not to use the word psychopath in his essay, he ended up replacing psychopath with ‘weird bad guy’. Then on, I started using ‘ decepticon’ ( Transformers) instead of psychopath.

Interestingly, most of the concepts are sprinkled in lot of TV episodes but in a skewed way, sprinkled with Mcdonalds advertisement.

If you want to say 5th density, you can refer harry potter train station episode or Psychopath example as Voldemort etc.

Whenever my son hears humans killing animals, destroying forests, he says he hates humans, thus giving me opportunity to explain not every human is bad, some human who doesn’t have the ability to feel the pain of others does it etc.

Since kids love animals, you will get lot of opportunity to explain 4D-3D dynamic in the form of 3D-2D dynamic, kids will get it as they learn(like every body) by associative process.

Let it be natural process ( when they ask questions which they will ) instead of projecting our excitement and perceived needs as their path.
 
I'm sorry Infernal for that response because it could be too much information for your children at this time so I wasn't being externally considerate. Lisa Guliani, seek10, angelburst29 Mrs. Tigersoap, Tigersoap gave better advice and is more detailed so I'd go with theirs.
 
I agree that they are WAY too young for High Strangeness. Age appropriate information is key. And it's better if they come to you with an issue. When my son was much younger (I forget what age) he told his mom he heard voices of "ghosts" or something and they were talking to him. My wife's not big on the paranormal so she let me handle it. I asked him a few questions and basically just told him not to trust whatever it was speaking to him, there are deceivers out there in the ether and that he shouldn't agree to any suggestions they made. That was years ago and he hasn't had anything like that happen again and has shown no psychic tendencies or anything like that. I'll have to ask him about it again. He's 17 now.
 
Thank you all very much for your thoughts, I truly appreciate it.
At 2 & 4 I fully agree the kids aren't ready to read High Strangeness, as fascinating as I find it, it's a little over their heads for now.
Using the Wizard of Oz as an analogy to demonstrate there is 'something behind the curtain' is a brilliant thought.
The curiosity of my children and their guileless almost blunt honesty blows me away on a daily basis. My son is very much like me as a child, he has a billion and one questions about everything in the world and how it works (coming for a 3 year old version of where babies come from was a highlight - he got a brief answer about the womb minus the mechanics of intercourse) I try to answer every one of these endless questions with honesty and integrity while ensuring it's at a level that he can process. So far I seem to have been successful in this endeavour.
I guess ultimately at a later date, some of 'slightly odd bloke' they call Daddy will have rubbed off enough for them to start seeing the illusion for what it is, and we can discuss that then. In the mean time I shall watch carefully, remain vigilant and continue to ready to protect them while they experience the wonders that still exist in the world.

Thank you all again for your wonderful thoughts on this issue.
 
My kids are in their teens, Infernal, and I have basically learnt to shut up. :D I tend to give too much information and I keep talking, but I have been learning to pick up on their cues and let the rest be. That is how they learn, anyway (they are homeschooled).
Without me saying a lot about psychopathy they do use the word psychopath from time to time.

I think LOTR is a good movie to watch together when they are older. I have also watched a.o. 'The Talented mr Ripley' (about psychopathy) with my kids. As seek10 said there are all kinds of series that deal with psychopathy, but I would screen them first or watch them together (if they watch TV), because I wouldn't know whether the information is correct.

Most of the time I watch movies on my own, since my kids are doing their own thing, but I have found that they do keep an eye on the things I watch and sometimes watch some scenes if they are particularly interesting.
My eldest has asked some questions about the forum of late.
So, I agree with Mr. Premise, it is better if they come to you with an issue.
 
I think its best not to treat young children any differently than what most other parents do. All the normal precautions apply. They will be able to learn about what the world is really about when they are ready to do so.

An additional problem is that we must be careful not to commit a free will violation by indoctrinating children. Religion has done plenty of that. In my opinion the freedom to form one's own opinion is a sacred right of every individual. One sided propaganda will diminish that right.

There is one caveat to make though. As mentioned in Beelzebub's tales, modern education is one of the main culprits of causing early false crystallisations. For that reason I believe that children should always be encouraged to keep investigating and to keep asking questions and to never accept something simply because someone in charge tells them to do so.
 
Infernal, you has received great advices! I think also that High Strangeness it is to much for they. But moreover I think that some deeper truths can be revealed through of little stories. I have 2 childrens, my little girl 9 year old and my boy 5 years old. Both are very curious about all. I try to make them feel blissful being inquisitive.
I read them every night a story since my girl had a bit more 1 year, and I have found that this is a great opportunity of make that they think over divers issues and ask about them.
I've seen the need of invent or adapt stories that I found for there. Sufi tales, oriental stories, and others. Through of this stories I could talk from indirect way about topic as cycles, be "ready" and not be "ready", psychopathic behavior, the life as a experience of learning, the truth and the lie, etc...

I hope that this will be of help :)
 
Hi Infernal

Immerse your kids in nature as much as you can.....she is a wonderful teacher. Im sure that you will find many opportunities here. Keep it simple at this age and keep your kids close to you. Keep asking questions and look into alternative forms of schooling eg homeschooling.....Rudolph Steiner etc.

From French Marigold
 
Mariama said:
My kids are in their teens, Infernal, and I have basically learnt to shut up. :D I tend to give too much information and I keep talking, but I have been learning to pick up on their cues and let the rest be. That is how they learn, anyway (they are homeschooled).
Without me saying a lot about psychopathy they do use the word psychopath from time to time.

I think LOTR is a good movie to watch together when they are older. I have also watched a.o. 'The Talented mr Ripley' (about psychopathy) with my kids. As seek10 said there are all kinds of series that deal with psychopathy, but I would screen them first or watch them together (if they watch TV), because I wouldn't know whether the information is correct.

Most of the time I watch movies on my own, since my kids are doing their own thing, but I have found that they do keep an eye on the things I watch and sometimes watch some scenes if they are particularly interesting.
My eldest has asked some questions about the forum of late.
So, I agree with Mr. Premise, it is better if they come to you with an issue.


I have generally adopted a similar approach to you Mariama, with my daughters. Of course now they are teenagers, they know 'everything'! :D

We often still talk about various issues that can or do affect us - from bullying, good manners to questioning mainstream sources, preparing our 'hurricane kit' etc. By having developed a very close bond with them, we can talk about alot - but they are still young girls, so I am selective and hopefully considerate in what I say to them.

They are used to seeing me reading books with comets on etc, and we have then spoken a little about cyclical catastrophes, but often framed in a language they understand. Throwing a bucket of water outside, may be perceived as a 'deluge' to some small microscopic critters, for example! :)

I think alot of children are curious about what their parents think, watch or read, which may be a catalyst for their learning.

Another example: I had left a book called The art of Close Encounters by Kim Carlsberg lying around, and for days they were really fascinated by the illustrations of 'aliens' and 'UFOs' and that chance encounter opened their eyes to other possible worlds / dimensions etc and I could show them a picture of something I had seen (UFO) which was easier to share with them then, as they had something to refer to. Talking about possible 'cosmic' stranger danger was just abit different to the chats we had years before when they started school. :)

High Strangeness had a profound affect on me too, and I felt abit overwhelmed and fearful for my children. Be kind to yourself. Finding this Forum and striving to do the 'Work' as best as I can, has made me a much better parent I feel, and I am so grateful to be here.

Others have given some great advice, best wishes to you.
 
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