what to do with foreknowledge of possible earthquake

Foxx

The Living Force
Hi everyone!

I recently returned to the hippie commune that I once lived at in central Virginia, USA called Twin Oaks, to visit some friends over new years. I had departed there about two years ago and was disconnected for quite some time while doing research into the many topics covered on this forum and associated information stores, but reconnected this summer, partly in the hopes of seeing if anyone was starting to wake up at all. Naively, I told some individuals a number of the well supported theories that have been researched by Laura and others and, unsurprisingly, rather than look into it themselves they disconnected with me/doubted what I said/tried to prove me wrong (not everyone, but generally all of those things and other typical mechanical psychological responses)--they worked to remain asleep and I told them things they didn't want to know, violating their free will to remain ignorant. Since then, I don't really talk about the majority of what I think about with others (which feels incredibly isolating currently, especially as the fire burning the world seems to be rapidly growing).

During this most recent trip (I've visited a few times this year), one individual with whom I share an interesting connection (an abnormally high level of comfort, she lives in the room I used to live in, and some other similarities) shared an experience she had with me while walking on a path where she felt a spirit was speaking to her, in a way. I don't remember who brought it up, but we got out a oujia board and asked to speak with this spirit. After a few bad starts, we got a response and after some preliminary questions I had felt we had made a potentially good and valuable connection (though being familiar with Laura's work, taking some precautions and not "believing" it), I asked how big the next earthquake was going to be and roughly when it was coming--7.0 and 2 months.

While it's clearly hard to predict when an earthquake will come and how big it will be, making this information unverifiable, the 5.8 quake (whose epicenter was practically on Twin Oaks' property) that hit in August and which had many "aftershocks" continue for months realistically looks like a foreshock, most notably for me because essentially nothing changed in their minds or in the community. They're not even taking any precautions against the possibility that there could be another one and that it could be larger, let alone evaluating their lives or the world!

After the session, I felt that it became relevant to explain some of my theories (the "less palatable" ones) as we were certainly dabbling with fire, I thought she may be capable of handling them, and also thought it irresponsible to withhold such information in this context (sending blindfolded sheep into the lion's pen). She seemed to take it well and find it generally interesting, though afterward, based on the disparity between words and actions, I was not as sure that this was the case.

Well, after this session we realized we had some other questions that were relevant (intentionally vague--sorry) and so we spoke of doing another one. I was interested in this and made myself available, and my partner in search said she wanted to continue with this project a number of times when I asked over a week-long period, but I watched as her actions strongly suggested otherwise by occupying herself with unnecessary/self-indulgent tasks and party preparations/cleanup, chatting on the computer, etc etc--the actions strongly suggested avoidance to me and, to my sadness, another session did not materialize before my scheduled departure. This second session may have had productive and relevant results.

Essentially, the evidence I've witnessed (actions) suggests to me that those who remain at the commune wish to remain ignorant of our reality, do no self inquiry and make no changes, and suffer the consequences. But with this information about the earthquake which, especially since the one in august, I've been basically waiting for as what seems very likely to me to happen, I need to clarify my understanding of STO. Is my understanding that to respect their free will I should withhold information that they'd rather not have correct? Considering that I've spent a fairly large amount of time there this year and have heard no requests for help in any sort of search for objective reality or preparations for the future, but have this information about a possible timeframe for an earthquake that I suspect is likely to happen, what is the best route to serve others? Let them be and then respond to any requests after the earthquake? Go down there around the time when it might happen, prepared to help? Suggest to them to prepare (my bet is that there will be at least one more 2.0+ shock if a 7+ is coming, which is when I would suggest that these might be foreshocks and that it might be wise to prepare for a larger one--which they don't want to hear), again?

And considering that I've been losing connections when sharing the "less palatable" results (my current assessments) of my research (aliens, control system, earth changes/comets, etc) with others, which suggests that they'd rather not know and suffer the consequences of ignorance (and that I'm serving self by telling them), is my thinking that keeping these results to myself is more STO than sharing them, accurate? I don't post earth changes research to my facebook page out of the concern that people will write off the health information/fascism information that I post because I "believe" in "crazy" things (ie "choose your battles").

It's really incredibly sad for me to watch this train wreck as it's happening and see people close to me unknowingly choose self indulgence over producing possible value for others, but it is their lives and their choice to do so, if they wish. :(

Thanks for all the help!
 
Telling people what they don't want to know IS a violation of free will, that much is clear. Also, how do you know this information about a coming earthquake gotten via a ouji board is reliable / accurate? Chances are greater that it is NOT accurate / reliable.

You know that messing with a board without enough knowledge and cleaning your reading instrument is very dangerous, right? And especially so with people who don't want in any way to know the objective state of things, i.e. your partner at the board.

Just my two cents. FWIW.
 
Hi Foxx,

You are making a rather large assumption that the information you got from the board is accurate, and it is puzzling that you seem so ready to run shouting down the road with it. As SeekinTruth said, the likelihood is much higher that it is not. How would you know that you had a 'good and valuable connection'? On what basis? And to what?

Laura spent years of methodical effort establishing contact with the C's, and all these years later we are still working on verifying information, still questioning it even with a long track record of many 'hits'. This topic is well covered in the Wave and Adventures series- if you've read them you should already know this. If you haven't, I encourage you to learn before you do some harm to yourself or others.

Given that the people you know have recently been through an earthquake, if there is not enough common sense among them to be prepared for another, I seriously doubt anything you say will make a difference. If what you want is to help with the application of common sense, perhaps the real earthquake that just happened is a better starting point than 'information' you received from a ouija board.
 
Foxx, I would like to suggest you read a few links to Cassiopedia. And if you have already read them, maybe re-reading them would be in order.

External Consideration

Strategic Enclosure

Conscious Suffering

Self-Importance

Also, as Seekin Truth has said, there needs to be a lot of work done on the self, knowledge gathered regarding channeling and knowing that you cannot trust what is coming through a Ouija board. And this must be so for all who are on the board. It has been said by Laura, in the Wave series, more than once that the energy coming from some of those in attendance in the group around the ouija board had an effect on what was transmitted.

There are so many variables to contend with that can skew what is coming through that to take anything at face value from the board is not a very wise thing to do. And that doesn't even touch on the fact that anything that comes through can then attach itself to you. Even if a quake should happen now, all that would do would to make you "believe" that you were in contact with an entity that would tell you the truth. This is a tactic used by STS beings to "hook" you so that you continue to contact them and they can do their dirty work through you at an even greater level than otherwise.

Education on a lot of different levels is needed before doing many things. And the oujia board is one of them.
 
Just keep quiet and wait and see. Plus, everything everybody else already said.
 
Thanks all for the responses and help!

As a general note, and not to justify my actions, I did keep in mind the inherent fallibility and corruptibility of the board and was rather thorough in describing and emphasizing this to my board partner. And none of the information received is in any way set in stone in my mind.

SeekinTruth said:
Telling people what they don't want to know IS a violation of free will, that much is clear. Also, how do you know this information about a coming earthquake gotten via a ouji board is reliable / accurate? Chances are greater that it is NOT accurate / reliable.

You know that messing with a board without enough knowledge and cleaning your reading instrument is very dangerous, right? And especially so with people who don't want in any way to know the objective state of things, i.e. your partner at the board.

Just my two cents. FWIW.

Your response is certainly true however, just to note, I did not claim to "know" that the information was accurate or "believe" it to be true, but that it is theoretical, but with consequences, and generally in line with what my gut feeling is regarding their situation.

As well, while many of the people I described clearly do not want objective reality and I've come to better understand external consideration that way, my partner at the board does not so readily eschew the world around her in favor of illusions. However, my estimates of her desire to know were likely overestimated.

Perhaps, though, risk taking is some programming that I should be working on.

venusian said:
Hi Foxx,

You are making a rather large assumption that the information you got from the board is accurate, and it is puzzling that you seem so ready to run shouting down the road with it. As SeekinTruth said, the likelihood is much higher that it is not. How would you know that you had a 'good and valuable connection'? On what basis? And to what?
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Given that the people you know have recently been through an earthquake, if there is not enough common sense among them to be prepared for another, I seriously doubt anything you say will make a difference. If what you want is to help with the application of common sense, perhaps the real earthquake that just happened is a better starting point than 'information' you received from a ouija board.

As I mentioned above, I was not assuming that it was with certainty accurate, but that it may be accurate and, regardless, there are enough signs around the previous earthquake to warrant changed behaviors that they're not making. As well, I don't see any utility of caricatures of things that I wasn't suggesting that I would do--in my post, I said one avenue was to suggest preparation if another "foreshock" occurred (as in, I wasn't even going to bring it up out of context), not run "shouting down the road" "OMG I channeled that there's going to be an earthquake--you have to believe me!"; I may have a ways to go in learning, but I have matured past this point.

The last paragraph is certainly true and, again, I wasn't going to cite the ouija board as evidence for an upcoming earthquake. But the lack of common sense preparations does seem to clearly indicate their chosen path.

Nienna Eluch said:
Foxx, I would like to suggest you read a few links to Cassiopedia. And if you have already read them, maybe re-reading them would be in order.

External Consideration

Strategic Enclosure

Conscious Suffering

Self-Importance

Also, as Seekin Truth has said, there needs to be a lot of work done on the self, knowledge gathered regarding channeling and knowing that you cannot trust what is coming through a Ouija board. And this must be so for all who are on the board. It has been said by Laura, in the Wave series, more than once that the energy coming from some of those in attendance in the group around the ouija board had an effect on what was transmitted.

There are so many variables to contend with that can skew what is coming through that to take anything at face value from the board is not a very wise thing to do. And that doesn't even touch on the fact that anything that comes through can then attach itself to you. Even if a quake should happen now, all that would do would to make you "believe" that you were in contact with an entity that would tell you the truth. This is a tactic used by STS beings to "hook" you so that you continue to contact them and they can do their dirty work through you at an even greater level than otherwise.

Education on a lot of different levels is needed before doing many things. And the oujia board is one of them.

Thanks for the links Nienna Eluch! I have grown more familiar with the concept and functioning of external consideration since earlier this year, but still have to work on it. I hadn't read the strategic enclosure one and it was very helpful--thanks! Conscious suffering clarifies action (rather, lack of?) and self importance can still sneak up on me, but I'm working on it.

With your latter paragraph, despite taking some precautions it seems that I didn't take enough. I'll skip using the board, maybe permanently, certainly at least for a while.

Laura said:
Just keep quiet and wait and see. Plus, everything everybody else already said.

Thanks Laura!

Thanks again everyone! Seems like more caution is in order! And, of course, more learning!
 
Foxx said:
During this most recent trip (I've visited a few times this year), one individual with whom I share an interesting connection (an abnormally high level of comfort, she lives in the room I used to live in, and some other similarities) shared an experience she had with me while walking on a path where she felt a spirit was speaking to her, in a way. I don't remember who brought it up, but we got out a oujia board and asked to speak with this spirit. After a few bad starts, we got a response and after some preliminary questions I had felt we had made a potentially good and valuable connection (though being familiar with Laura's work, taking some precautions and not "believing" it), I asked how big the next earthquake was going to be and roughly when it was coming--7.0 and 2 months.

While it's clearly hard to predict when an earthquake will come and how big it will be, making this information unverifiable, the 5.8 quake (whose epicenter was practically on Twin Oaks' property) that hit in August and which had many "aftershocks" continue for months realistically looks like a foreshock, most notably for me because essentially nothing changed in their minds or in the community. They're not even taking any precautions against the possibility that there could be another one and that it could be larger, let alone evaluating their lives or the world!
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Your response is certainly true however, just to note, I did not claim to "know" that the information was accurate or "believe" it to be true, but that it is theoretical, but with consequences, and generally in line with what my gut feeling is regarding their situation.

Hi Foxx,

I've put in bold some parts of your previous posts to highlight to you that not only did you ask a blatantly loaded leading question, but also that you were full of one particular feeling about the whole situation - which any 'spirit' easily could have picked up from you, just as I did. So there was no way you were in a open mind about all this and certainly failed to be not anticipating any outcome, I think. And it influenced the 'results' apparently.
 
Palinurus said:
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Hi Foxx,

I've put in bold some parts of your previous posts to highlight to you that not only did you ask a blatantly loaded leading question, but also that you were full of one particular feeling about the whole situation - which any 'spirit' easily could have picked up from you, just as I did. So there was no way you were in a open mind about all this and certainly failed to be not anticipating any outcome, I think. And it influenced the 'results' apparently.

Thanks for pointing this out, Palinurus. I clearly need to continue to work on self deception and keeping an open mind.

Thanks for the feedback!
 
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