Who abandoned 3 Boeing 747s in Malyasia?
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Very strange indeed. angelburst29 has already posted this in the Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 - Missing Plane thread yesterday.
This is a very intriguing story.....ive been noticing those planes on the tarmac approximately for the last 2 years now, seems to be longer than the 1 year the article quoted - as they have been in the same spot and unmoving...almost any person visiting the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) can see them, as they are parked just on the left of the main Terminal building as you drive-in to arrive at the main concourse....interesting that the owners have not claimed them, and what prompted an add in the national newspapers ? strange indeed
I think the first time I realized these planes were there, was just after the 2013 Malaysian general elections when I was at the KLIA.....have written a post about the results of the elections, and the situation in Malaysia then here:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39574.msg602534.html#msg602534
Not sure if the planes were there before, or I saw different planes then. hmmmm interesting indeed, considering the events that happened later concerning Malaysian Civil Aviation (Malaysia Airlines, Air Asia)...
I think the first time I realized these planes were there, was just after the 2013 Malaysian general elections when I was at the KLIA.....have written a post about the results of the elections, and the situation in Malaysia then here:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39574.msg602534.html#msg602534
Not sure if the planes were there before, or I saw different planes then. hmmmm interesting indeed, considering the events that happened later concerning Malaysian Civil Aviation (Malaysia Airlines, Air Asia)...
angelburst29
The Living Force
Yes, the circumstances are intriguing. In this day and age, where everything is monitored and assigned some type of identification, how is it, "they have no clue who owns these planes?" There must be some type of Log Book - of it's last flight and permission to land?
This is the part that struck me as really odd:
The notice was addressed to the “untraceable owner” of the planes.
Zainol Mohd Isa, general manager of Malaysia Airports (Sepang), which operates the facility, said the airport had been trying to contact the planes’ last known owners.
He said they were “international” and not Malaysian, but declined to give further details.
Zainol said two are passenger aircraft and one is a cargo plane.
If no payment is received by December 21, the planes will be auctioned or sold for scrap to recoup the outstanding charges.
“Untraceable owner” and “international" brought to mind, that they might belong to the CIA or some Government Agency or even Israel?
Maybe another Report will surface around the 21st, with more information?
This is the part that struck me as really odd:
The notice was addressed to the “untraceable owner” of the planes.
Zainol Mohd Isa, general manager of Malaysia Airports (Sepang), which operates the facility, said the airport had been trying to contact the planes’ last known owners.
He said they were “international” and not Malaysian, but declined to give further details.
Zainol said two are passenger aircraft and one is a cargo plane.
If no payment is received by December 21, the planes will be auctioned or sold for scrap to recoup the outstanding charges.
“Untraceable owner” and “international" brought to mind, that they might belong to the CIA or some Government Agency or even Israel?
Maybe another Report will surface around the 21st, with more information?
angelburst29 said:
Yeah, I recall that when I first saw those planes, they were unusual in that they were unmarked and mostly painted white in stark contrast to all the other planes at the airport - and I was also thinking if these were the planes UMNO (United Malay National Organization) - the main party in government since independence were going to use to "getaway" if they lost the elections. As when I was at the KLIA then (5th May 2013 if I recall - the evening on the day of the elections, when polling stations had closed), the election results hadn't been announced yet. Turned out UMNO "won" the elections. Maybe the planes were not related at all to the elections, and were there before - but interesting that this story comes out now...
angelburst29
The Living Force
A few added details but not a lot of information to go on?
Did You Forget Your Planes? Airport Takes Out Ad to Locate Owner (Video)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-08/did-you-forget-your-planes-airport-takes-out-ad-to-locate-owner
The three jumbos have been sitting on the KLIA tarmac for more than a year, said Zainol Mohd. Isa, general manager of Malaysia Airports (Sepang) Sdn., which operates the international air terminal. He declined to say how much in parking fees and other charges were owed.
“We have been in communication with the so-called owner, but they have not been responding to take away the aircraft. That’s why we go through this process to legalize whatever actions we want to take,” Zainol said by phone Tuesday. “We want to clear the area, we want to utilize our parking bay.”
Boeing spokesman Doug Alder declined to comment. Giving notice by ads is a "common and reasonable step" in the debt-recovery process, Malaysia Airports said in a statement on its website Tuesday.
That’s especially true when the plane owner is a foreign company that’s no longer operating and "exhaustive steps undertaken to find a contact person have not been successful," Malaysia Airports said. "This step is also a common process undertaken by airport operators all over the world when faced with such a situation."
At least one of the jets was operated by the cargo unit of Malaysia Airlines, which leased the plane from Air Atlanta Icelandic, a Kopavogur, Iceland-based lessor providing planes along with crew, maintenance and insurance services, according to Planespotters.net. Air Atlanta Icelandic didn’t reply to an e-mail seeking comment.
Some of these aircraft from Air Atlanta Icelandic were on wet lease to MASkargo, but the contract expired in April 2010, MASkargo said in an e-mail Tuesday.
“We have no further involvement with those aircraft since then,” MASkargo said.
Did You Forget Your Planes? Airport Takes Out Ad to Locate Owner (Video)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-08/did-you-forget-your-planes-airport-takes-out-ad-to-locate-owner
The three jumbos have been sitting on the KLIA tarmac for more than a year, said Zainol Mohd. Isa, general manager of Malaysia Airports (Sepang) Sdn., which operates the international air terminal. He declined to say how much in parking fees and other charges were owed.
“We have been in communication with the so-called owner, but they have not been responding to take away the aircraft. That’s why we go through this process to legalize whatever actions we want to take,” Zainol said by phone Tuesday. “We want to clear the area, we want to utilize our parking bay.”
Boeing spokesman Doug Alder declined to comment. Giving notice by ads is a "common and reasonable step" in the debt-recovery process, Malaysia Airports said in a statement on its website Tuesday.
That’s especially true when the plane owner is a foreign company that’s no longer operating and "exhaustive steps undertaken to find a contact person have not been successful," Malaysia Airports said. "This step is also a common process undertaken by airport operators all over the world when faced with such a situation."
At least one of the jets was operated by the cargo unit of Malaysia Airlines, which leased the plane from Air Atlanta Icelandic, a Kopavogur, Iceland-based lessor providing planes along with crew, maintenance and insurance services, according to Planespotters.net. Air Atlanta Icelandic didn’t reply to an e-mail seeking comment.
Some of these aircraft from Air Atlanta Icelandic were on wet lease to MASkargo, but the contract expired in April 2010, MASkargo said in an e-mail Tuesday.
“We have no further involvement with those aircraft since then,” MASkargo said.
angelburst29
The Living Force
Could this whole situation - be just a communications problem?
Company stakes claim to mystery 747s left at Malaysia airport
http://news.yahoo.com/company-stakes-claim-mystery-747s-left-malaysia-airport-075717666.html
The head of an air cargo start-up said Friday his company had legally purchased three Boeing 747s left idle at Malaysia's airport and he was "stunned" by the airport's claim that their owner could not be found.
Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) placed a bizarre newspaper advertisement this week saying the owners of the 747-200F aircraft were "untraceable", demanding that they step forward to claim the planes or they would be sold off.
But Blue Peterson, CEO of Malaysia-based Swift Air Cargo, told AFP his company bought the planes from their previous owners in June and had been in contact with KLIA management over the aircraft for months.
"I woke up on December 7 and was stunned to see they were searching for the owner" said Peterson, 55, an American former pilot for Malaysia Airlines.
He said KLIA management has repeatedly refused to recognise Swift Air Cargo's possession of the planes despite presenting them with relevant paperwork including statements from the previous owner, whom Peterson declined to identify.
Swift Air Cargo is awaiting a Malaysian permit before it can begin operations.
AFP was not immediately able to obtain a response to Peterson's claim from relevant officials with Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad (MAHB), which manages KLIA and issued the notice on the planes.
In a statement posted Thursday on Swift Air Cargo's website, the company insisted it "has not abandoned the aircraft!"
"Swift is unable to fathom the reason for MAHB's declaration that it has taken 'exhaustive steps' without being able to find (the owner)... when all along, Swift was fulfilling its obligations," it said.
Peterson speculated that the impasse might be a tactic by the airport to recoup overdue landing, parking and other charges run up by the previous owner of the aircraft.
"It's probably a delay game. They want to sell off the planes to make up the parking fees owed by the previous owner, but I have told them many times that I am willing to sit down, negotiate and pay part of it," he told AFP.
"Well, this is Malaysia. I have given them a lot of respect but I don't know what to do. I'll just let my lawyers handle it now."
The airport has said that if payment for the various charges is not received by December 21, the planes will be auctioned off or sold for scrap.
Company stakes claim to mystery 747s left at Malaysia airport
http://news.yahoo.com/company-stakes-claim-mystery-747s-left-malaysia-airport-075717666.html
The head of an air cargo start-up said Friday his company had legally purchased three Boeing 747s left idle at Malaysia's airport and he was "stunned" by the airport's claim that their owner could not be found.
Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) placed a bizarre newspaper advertisement this week saying the owners of the 747-200F aircraft were "untraceable", demanding that they step forward to claim the planes or they would be sold off.
But Blue Peterson, CEO of Malaysia-based Swift Air Cargo, told AFP his company bought the planes from their previous owners in June and had been in contact with KLIA management over the aircraft for months.
"I woke up on December 7 and was stunned to see they were searching for the owner" said Peterson, 55, an American former pilot for Malaysia Airlines.
He said KLIA management has repeatedly refused to recognise Swift Air Cargo's possession of the planes despite presenting them with relevant paperwork including statements from the previous owner, whom Peterson declined to identify.
Swift Air Cargo is awaiting a Malaysian permit before it can begin operations.
AFP was not immediately able to obtain a response to Peterson's claim from relevant officials with Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad (MAHB), which manages KLIA and issued the notice on the planes.
In a statement posted Thursday on Swift Air Cargo's website, the company insisted it "has not abandoned the aircraft!"
"Swift is unable to fathom the reason for MAHB's declaration that it has taken 'exhaustive steps' without being able to find (the owner)... when all along, Swift was fulfilling its obligations," it said.
Peterson speculated that the impasse might be a tactic by the airport to recoup overdue landing, parking and other charges run up by the previous owner of the aircraft.
"It's probably a delay game. They want to sell off the planes to make up the parking fees owed by the previous owner, but I have told them many times that I am willing to sit down, negotiate and pay part of it," he told AFP.
"Well, this is Malaysia. I have given them a lot of respect but I don't know what to do. I'll just let my lawyers handle it now."
The airport has said that if payment for the various charges is not received by December 21, the planes will be auctioned off or sold for scrap.
angelburst29 said:
Well, i think there's more to it...most likely a ploy, as the article mentioned for MAHB to try an recoup their losses of parking fees etc., and trying "not to recognise" Swift Air's ownership of the planes due to outstanding payments due. Notice that Swift Air bought the planes in June; but the planes have been parked there for longer than that and under a previous ownership...hence, i think there's definitely more to this story...and the plot thickens...
Eulenspiegel
Jedi Master
If this is a ploy, the question is why they'd park these rather conspicuous unmarked planes in such a public space?
