Who is saying NO?

[joejoeba]

I don't know about you folks but I would rather go to prison than succumb to ID cards. I refuse to be IDeed biometrically. Allthough If I do go to jail they'll IDify anyway!!(buggers) If enough of us say NO. surely they'll quit it.
I would happily do it if it was a-
free
b-
proven to completely stop wars and terrorist violence. If not I WANT A REFUND!!

I am so insensed by people who say, "well if youv'e got nothing to hide....."

That seriously is MISSING THE POINT.

If the gov wants money that bad, why don't they just have the integrity to ask?

 

[knowledge_of_self]

I don't know about you folks but I would rather go to prison than succumb to ID cards. I refuse to be IDeed biometrically. Although If I do go to jail they'll IDify anyway!!(buggers) If enough of us say NO. surely they'll quit it.

I'm not really sure what you mean by ID cards? However, there is a situation that I am aware of that does concern me a great deal and that is human microchip implants.

http://en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)


And this I think is one of the most 'open' methods of control the PTB have come out with. I think it pretty much shows us what is in store for the future of humans. People are becoming more machine like than they know, and you would be surprise how largely accepted it is within the populace.

I have had conversations with several people about this and they all believe it is for their good and safety.

I would happily do it if it was a-
free
b-
proven to completely stop wars and terrorist violence. If not I WANT A REFUND!!

I am so insensed by people who say, "well if youv'e got nothing to hide....."

That seriously is MISSING THE POINT.

If the gov wants money that bad, why don't they just have the integrity to ask?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the process of paying taxes to the government is their way of 'asking' for money from people.

But as most people here know, pretty much everyone in the government who have much power and resources are part of the pathocracy disease. And these people will do anything to keep their status quo. And that includes going as far as putting on a show like 9-11, starting the "War on Terror", killing innocents, controlling the masses through many different ways such as HAARP, Chem-trails, human micro-chips, and now ID Cards. So basically, add another to the list.

However, I do agree with the notion of not enough resistance. People need to start waking up and smell the coffee. I do agree that if enough people learn about their current situation, (which is that the world is run by psychopaths, and that all is NOT as it seems on the BBM) and by introducing others to the same idea maybe that will start some sort of butterfly affect, and balance the situation a little bit. Knowledge protects!

Nina

 

[anart]

If the gov wants money that bad, why don't they just have the integrity to ask?

Pardon? Uhm, are you unaware of the last two hundred and thirty years of American history (not to mention thousands of years of society before that)? From your posts today alone, I get a sense that you're seeing things through a bit of a 'fog', so to speak.

 

[joejoeba]

The fog was certainly thicker yesterday than usual.

However A:I am not actually aware of the thousands of years of history as it hs been re-written so many times by so many conquerors. No one can truly profess to know this really with so many secondary, secondary sources.

B: I know only a little bit about American History because I fortunately don't live there and have only briefly visited, my UK history is better.

C; the statement I made regarding the 'Integrity to ask' relates to the fact that if the gov of britain who are introducing biometric id cards in 2008 as compulsory replacements of passports and driving liscenses, are asking for up to £200 per citizen, which if you multiply by the population affected is billions.
It has been proven that this ID card malarchy will only make matters worse.
Thay must have a big war or party up their sleeve. I predict big uk terrorist attack late 2007 that'll convince us all to become a full number.
Obviously when I type something with a mote of sarcasm, I'd best use a diferent font!!

I am going to refuse to have a card, even if it makes me a prisoner on my own island.
I also have stopped paying tax as I don't want to fund war. So far I have got away with it for two years with hardly a letter.
I have also stopped payinng speed tickets/parking charges/or any kind of fine.
I have taken my bank to court. (and won). I am part of a growing group who are not afraid of the faceless system of litigation that keeps our nation on a leash.
Eventually I will be taken to court properly and then My voice will be heard.

Hopefully I wont end up like MR Litvinenko.

WHO IS SAYING NO?

 

[vinny]

trouble is, what you gonna do to get out of it? when it comes down to it, these things will be imposed using violence backed up by the full force of the law. If it involves breaking your arm first, then doing it anyway, they don't care. and all you get as a bonus is a broken arm. Look at the guy who burnt himself to death recently in Chicago! :( not so much as a whisper about it on the mass media - they make damn sure that any personal 'demonstration' has its effectiveness limited so that no-one else sees it to gets any clever ideas.

I am going to refuse to have a card, even if it makes me a prisoner on my own island.
I also have stopped paying tax as I don't want to fund war. So far I have got away with it for two years with hardly a letter.
I have also stopped payinng speed tickets/parking charges/or any kind of fine.
I have taken my bank to court. (and won). I am part of a growing group who are not afraid of the faceless system of litigation that keeps our nation on a leash.
Eventually I will be taken to court properly and then My voice will be heard.

man, I admire that stubbornness!
how the hell did you stop paying any tax without starving to death!? that is some manouvre. do you grow your own food? (edit: or do you just mean income tax? even so, still impressive). edit 2: though that is illegal, so I'm not endorsing it, because it also goes towards the health and social security services, intented to support the weak and vulnerable members of society (though it rarely works like that in practice)

but I don't know if I entirely go along with your approach. I'm not criticising you for sticking up for what you find approprate to do. maybe I'm being a bit pessimistic about it, I just think that it might be counterproductive to 'face off' the PTB directly. You're ok as long as your scope of influence is fairly limited, but the pathocracy will stamp you out if you appear to threaten it. There are many incidents that demonstrate this - look at Tienenman Square.
I prefer a less obvious and more... devious approach ;) I think it is always important to try to find as much of the bigger picture as possible, and to stick up for truth in whatever way seems possible at the time, in that way sticking up for those who are unable to stick up for themselves. It is just the 'how' that I see differently to you. I guess everyone has to find their own 'how'.

 

[joejoeba]

Yes, there's no way I can avoid all tax. I just meant council tax and when possible I get paid cash in hand. I move alot too. I am not particularily proud of this, and I may be a lucky exception. I rarely confess to it so don't know about others.

A more devious approach? That I would be willing to attempt.Are you suggesting doing this through the medium of art, or the passing on of knowledge that changes peoples positions on things. Or are you talking devious as in, making it slightly harder for beaurocracy to flow.

I often forward junk mail onto the local council, or mis-spell my name in applications, or tell the truth to people trying to give me a loan( long application,truth about income,no loan!!)((I'll not be doing THAT one again)), or tease cold calling telesales people on a spiritual journey before not buying anything,or little things like that?
All this and more does feel quite silly at times however maybe my tiddly spannering could at least disrupt and slow down the cogs a bit.

I am (maybe in mild contradiction to my gremlinisms), all for truth and the understanding of a higher truth.

I will look up the chicago burning man. You are right. I have never heard of it. Sounds shocking.

In response to the breaking arm thing. I would just call claims direct............(evil laughs)

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