Who were the Mayans?

[cholas]

Of course lots of Anthropologists and archaeologists "know" who they were, but mirrors their "knowledge" of Egypt also. Questionable at best?
There are a few pieces of information in the sessions, but they seem to contridict each other. Or maybe I'm not reading them correctly.

10/07/94
Q: (L) Where else did the Atlanteans go?
A: Americas. Inca. Aztec. Maya. Hopi Tribe. Pima tribe.

Far more ancient than we are told by mainstream then?

12/10/94
Q: (L) What happened to the Mayans?
A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D. "Lizzieland."

I suppose it's possible for the 4D STS to take just about anyone? As is what might well have happened to the civilizations of Mohenjo Daro and Angkor Watt, which apparently were STS.

2/25/95
Q: (BP) Were the Mayans an STS civilization?
A: No.

This session goes on to mention that they were not involved in sacrifice as that was introduced at a later Toltec time. A little confusion on my part with this statement.

8/08/95
Q: (L) Who and what were the Mayans?
A: The Mayans were a transitory people who still exist in the
lands that you refer to as Central America. And who have
certain physical features that are not consistent with the rest of
human beings on 3rd density Earth environment, due to their
interactions, in the past, as you measure time, with beings of
other density levels.
Q: (L) What beings would those be?
A: Well, we have described 4th density STS beings on many
occasions.
Q: (L) The Lizard Beings?
A: Indeed.

So though they were not an STS group, they interacted with 4D STS. Does this mean they were an STO group or possibly a mix of both? Or were once STO but became STS through these interactions with the Lizzie folk? Seems to imply that some genetic tweaking was possibly going on.

Though I cannot find it, I seem to recall reading that the Maya graduated and left en mass?

 

[PepperFritz]

Sorry to be dense, but I'm a little confused by the issues discussed in your post, and need some clarification:

My understanding is that the C's have indicated that all humans in third-density existence are STS by nature, and are not capable of an STO orientation until they have graduated to fourth-density after having achieved "STO-candidate" status. And that the same applies to those (very few) who graduate to fourth-density via the STS path; that the most they can "achieve" in third-density is "STS-candidate" status.

Assuming my understanding above is accurate, when "BP" asked the C's whether the Mayans were "an STS group", am I correct in assuming he/she meant "Were the Mayans an STS-dedicated group, that is, actively working towards, in a collective fashion, graduation to 4th density via the STS path"? And when you speculate whether they were "an STO group", you mean a group of STO-candidates working towards graduation to fourth-density via the STO path? And "mixed group" means just like most human groups today, a mixture of those leaning in different directions, or "undecided"?

Also, could you explain what you mean when you say that "the civilizations of Mohenjo Daro and Angkor Watt... apparently were STS"? Where does that information come from? And when you state that you "recall reading that the Maya graduated and left en mass", do you mean you recall reading that in the C's transcripts?

 

[cholas]

My understanding is that the C's have indicated that all humans in third-density existence are STS by nature, and are not capable of an STO orientation until they have graduated to fourth-density after having achieved "STO-candidate" status

I agree, PepperFritz, which led to my questions. If the Mayans were not STS, what were they? I'm still a bit confused, but is it possible that certain groups, the Etruscans for example, were STO? And were these groups even fully 3D? I seem to also recall reading in the sessions how the "rule" of all being STS here is not necessarily 100%. MOST might be more accurate?

Also, could you explain what you mean when you say that "the civilizations of Mohenjo Daro and Angkor Watt... apparently were STS"? Where does that information come from? And when you state that you "recall reading that the Maya graduated and left en mass", do you mean you recall reading that in the C's transcripts?

Well this is all hypothetical, of course, but based on information from the sessions below, it seems that these city/civilizations were created by the 4D STS group as an experiment for their own purposes. I don't know what this would have entailed, but would guess it has to do with "food for the moon". A power-generating plant of sorts.

10/22/94
Q: (L) Who built the city of Angkor Wat?
A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built
approximately 3108 years ago.
Q: (L) Who built the city of Mohenjo Daro?
A: That also was built by the Lizard Beings directly.
Q: (L) Did they live in these cities?
A: No, as stated before, they did not live there, they visited or
occupied on a temporary basis, but did not live there.
Q: (L) Who did they build the cities for?
A: They built the cities for themselves and their worshippers
amongst humans.

8/22/98
Q: What happened to the inhabitants of these cities?
A: Taken to another planet.

Hope this clears it up a bit. I'm reading about the "rule" mentioned above from the sessions right now as I too am still hazy on this.

 

[PepperFritz]

If the Mayans were not STS, what were they? I'm still a bit confused, but is it possible that certain groups, the Etruscans for example, were STO? And were these groups even fully 3D?

What is it about the Mayans or Etruscans that makes you think that they couldn't simply be "a mixed bunch", like our current civilizations? I feel like I'm missing something....

I seem to also recall reading in the sessions how the "rule" of all being STS here is not necessarily 100%. MOST might be more accurate?

I don't recall reading that. Please let me know if you find the reference you are thinking of.

... based on information from the sessions below, it seems that these city/civilizations were created by the 4D STS group as an experiment for their own purposes. I don't know what this would have entailed, but would guess it has to do with "food for the moon". A power-generating plant of sorts.

I don't get that from the quote. According to the C's, many of the "deities" worshipped by humans in their early history were STS aliens. Don't think that makes the "worshippers" STS in nature. I'm having difficulty following your line of reason here....

Perhaps forum members more familiar with these issues and the related Cassiopaean transcripts can offer some insight?

 

[cholas]

What is it about the Mayans or Etruscans that makes you think that they couldn't simply be "a mixed bunch", like our current civilizations?

My question was "is it possible that certain groups...were STO?" Nothing makes me think that they couldn't have been a mixed group. What do YOU think? Is it possible?

Please let me know if you find the reference you are thinking of.

See below.

9/09/95
Q: (L) Are any of the Grays STO?
A: In very rare instances, Gray beings have crossed over into
the STO realm, but in their natural environment, they are, in
fact, STS, as they were constructed to be.
Q: (L) How does it occur that they cross over into the STO
environment?
A: Simply by natural circumstance, in the same general way
that it occurs that human beings in the 3rd density STS
environment can, under certain circumstances, rise to the
STO level. Very rare.

I'm still looking for the transcript I had in mind, but the above presents the same idea.

According to the C's, many of the "deities" worshipped by humans in their early history were STS aliens. Don't think that makes the "worshippers" STS in nature. I'm having difficulty following your line of reason here....

PepperFritz, what you are saying here is contridictory to what was discussed earlier, which might partially explain your trouble with following my reasoning. Awhile back you wrote this:

My understanding is that the C's have indicated that all humans in third-density existence are STS by nature, and are not capable of an STO orientation until they have graduated to fourth-density after having achieved "STO-candidate" status...

Which made a lot of sense to me, indeed so much so that it was the basis of my question concerning the Mayans NOT being STS. Then you seem to defend lizzie-worshipping cities as not necessarily being STS?

An attempt to be more clear: The cities/civilizations of Mohenjo Daro and Angkor Wat were, hypothetically and according to the C's, actually built by the Lizzies for their worshippers. So what is the benefit of having worshippers? To create situations that allow for vacuming energy? Obviously if this were the case, the worshippers were not very up on Knowledge Protects but that could be reflected in today's society as well.

I think I understand what you are asking PepperFritz, but what is "their early history" refering to? And I'm a little unsure about the idea of Worshippers not being STS. Though I really haven't thought much about worshippers being STO before. Depends on the meaning of worshipper, I suppose. Or what is being worshipped?

But if you have a group of people idolizing/praying to/sacrificing for 4D STS/lizzies, could they be anything but?
Which circles back to the question:

2/25/95
Q: (BP) Were the Mayans an STS civilization?
A: No.

Edit: The above session was apparently attended by quite a few persons. Possible contamination?

 

[Adaryn]

9/09/95
Q: (L) Are any of the Grays STO?
A: In very rare instances, Gray beings have crossed over into
the STO realm, but in their natural environment, they are, in
fact, STS, as they were constructed to be.
Q: (L) How does it occur that they cross over into the STO
environment?
A: Simply by natural circumstance, in the same general way
that it occurs that human beings in the 3rd density STS
environment can, under certain circumstances, rise to the
STO level. Very rare.

I don't get it. How can Grays rise to the STO level since they don't have souls and are just cyber-genetic probes of the Lizzies ?

 

[Cyre2067]

hey cholas - it seems you're making a few assumptions.

So though they were not an STS group, they interacted with 4D STS. Does this mean they were an STO group or possibly a mix of both? Or were once STO but became STS through these interactions with the Lizzie folk? Seems to imply that some genetic tweaking was possibly going on.

By definition, every human on this planet is/has been STS - if they become STO they no longer reside here. This is after all, an STS realm. Now we can choose otherwise by waking up, making conscious choices that align ourself with a more STO type of existence but it is hard work and potentially can take a lifetime.

If the Mayans were not STS, what were they? I'm still a bit confused, but is it possible that certain groups, the Etruscans for example, were STO? And were these groups even fully 3D? I seem to also recall reading in the sessions how the "rule" of all being STS here is not necessarily 100%. MOST might be more accurate?

If they were here, they were STS. If a group is on Earth, and human, then it is a 3D Group. Now it is possible there are 4D humans but they would be in 4D and thus not on Earth as we refer to/understand it. All beings on Earth (as we understand it) are STS, by definition, this is after a 3D STS reality.

There is also a contradiction in the transcripts you posted:

12/10/94
Q: (L) What happened to the Mayans?
A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D. "Lizzieland."

which is contradicted by:

8/08/95
Q: (L) Who and what were the Mayans?
A: The Mayans were a transitory people who still exist in the
lands that you refer to as Central America. And who have
certain physical features that are not consistent with the rest of
human beings on 3rd density Earth environment, due to their
interactions, in the past, as you measure time, with beings of
other density levels.

Were they taken away or are they still here? Puzzling. Which is why we don't take the transcripts as 'scripture' - just because it's in the transcripts doesn't necessarily mean its 100% accurate, the transcripts are hints given in a coded fashion as to guide Laura to make her own discoveries. They also are not free from contamination by STS interference.

How can Grays rise to the STO level since they don't have souls and are just cyber-genetic probes of the Lizzies ?

My guess, and it is only that, is that over time the could 'grow' a soul much in the same fashion as humans can. Perhaps they too can 'wake up' and align themselves with a different reality via choice making.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Q: (BP) Were the Mayans an STS civilization?
A: No.

I wonder if this was an answer more specific to what "BP" had in mind, and not like a general statement? One possibility is that BP was thinking if they were a bunch of human-sacrificing blood-thirsty savages or something, and the C's knew what he meant by his question and so gave that answer? At least that seems like one possibility. What the C's say and what the questions are are often not what they appear to be, and context is very very important. So I wouldn't take that answer at face value. Maybe if this quote was included in the Wave series that may explain what was going on etc, though I couldn't find it mentioned in the series.

My question was "is it possible that certain groups...were STO?" Nothing makes me think that they couldn't have been a mixed group. What do YOU think? Is it possible?

Well they'd probably have to avoid eating then, since it's kinda hard to kill and eat plants and animals and still be STO, osit. But I think some groups were much closer to STO than others. As for not being fully 3d, I guess that may be possible, but I personally haven't gathered enough data to know that one.

There's all kinds of clues given by the C's and other material, like this for example:

Q: They ignore them. But, during the time Neanderthal man was on the Earth, did he live alongside Modern man?
A: Yes. Except modern type man was different then.
Q: In what ways?
A: DNA and psycho/electrical frequencies.
Q: Does this mean that their physical appearance was different from what we consider to be modern man?
A: Radiance.
Q: What do you mean "radiance?"
A: You find out!
Q: Oh, that's interesting. Well, there are legends that the Northern people had "light" in their veins. Very ancient belief. Is
this what you are referring to?
A: Maybe.
Q: Was this light related to the hemoglobin level, the iron level in the blood?
A: Maybe.
Q: Did they have a much higher iron level in their blood?
A: Possibly....

12/10/94
Q: (L) What happened to the Mayans?
A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D. "Lizzieland."

which is contradicted by:

8/08/95
Q: (L) Who and what were the Mayans?
A: The Mayans were a transitory people who still exist in the
lands that you refer to as Central America. And who have
certain physical features that are not consistent with the rest of
human beings on 3rd density Earth environment, due to their
interactions, in the past, as you measure time, with beings of
other density levels.

Fwiw, I'm not sure if this is a contradiction. The word "transitory" can be talking about the fact that they were not here (this planet) for long and were "taken away". I don't think a follow up question was asked if every single last Mayan was was taken. Maybe just the majority, and some just ran away or spread out to other places and continued to exist. Cuz even if most of them were taken that's enough to say that in a general sense, this is what "happened" to the Mayans.

 

[cholas]

By definition, every human on this planet is/has been STS - if they become STO they no longer reside here.

This was my understanding as well Cyre. PepperFritz brought the same idea forward also and from most of the information available on this particular subject, it sounds like a pretty solid hypothesis.

Q: (BP) Were the Mayans an STS civilization?
A: No.

wonder if this was an answer more specific to what "BP" had in mind, and not like a general statement? One possibility is that BP was thinking if they were a bunch of human-sacrificing blood-thirsty savages or something, and the C's knew what he meant by his question and so gave that answer? At least that seems like one possibility.

I think you might be correct here SAO. Apparently some of these communications have been described by Laura as being in code-form and shouldn't be taken as literal. This may also apply to the Grays/STO information, Feather.

Below is another example of seemingly conflicting information, from the same session.

2/25/95
Q: (BP) Is my perception that my STO is primarily as a healer
correct?
A: You are still STS, like all humans.

Defintely sounds at odds with this:

2/25/95
Q: (BP) Who is M*** H***?
A: True STO.
Q: (J) True STO? Wow! (L) Who is M*** H***? (BP) Is
she a 5th density walk-in?
A: Yes.

Below is an excerpt, from a different session, that might shed some light on this question as well. Could the Mayans in their prime have been similar to/working with the quorum? Does it relate to their working with Lizzie/STS group?

11-12-94
Q: (L) Okay, so the Illuminati are the higher level on the
pathway of service to self and somehow, by reaching these
higher levels may have come to realizations or frequencies
which have caused their position to be modified or blended to
where service to self becomes or incorporates or moves them
to service to others realizations, is this correct?
A: Continue.
Q: (L) Okay, the ones in the quorum are those who are
focused on service to others and they, in their pathway of
service to others begin to understand that some service to self
is service to others.
A: Close.
Q: (L) And the whole idea is to blend both pathways no
matter which direction you come to it from?
A: Service to others provides the perfect balance of those
two realities; service to self is the diametrical opposite closing
the grand cycle in perfect balance.

 

[KentoShi]

10/22/94
Q: (L) Who built the city of Angkor Wat?
A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built
approximately 3108 years ago.

I didn't know what Angkor Wat was so I looked it up, and every site I checked said it was built in 1113 a.d.
Is there something in the sessions that explains that? Like maybe there was an old Angkor Wat on the same site or something?

12/10/94
Q: (L) What happened to the Mayans?
A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D. "Lizzieland."

Why would the 4D beings take an entire society?
Did they all become STO as a whole?

 

[GRiM]

Angkor Wat, great picture: (3000x3000)

_http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/angkor_wat_IKO_2004103_lrg.jpg

 

[cholas]

I didn't know what Angkor Wat was so I looked it up, and every site I checked said it was built in 1113 a.d.
Is there something in the sessions that explains that? Like maybe there was an old Angkor Wat on the same site or something?

My guess, KentoShi, is that the sites you checked likely used carbon-dating to pinpoint when Angkor Wat was built, which is not 100% accurate. Using the search option on the transcripts/session page will allow you to read further into this civilization from the C's perspective. Searching the forum might provide some info as well.

Why would the 4D beings take an entire society?
Did they all become STO as a whole?

Good question imo. Apparently this has happened numerous times in our secret history. Not sure that the groups would become STO(4D) though. And unfortunately the clues seem somewhat hidden as well.

 

[dant]

Google Angkor Wat and there is a TON of interesting pics!

Obtained from above, here is one example:
_http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=mAz&resnum=0&q=Angkor+Wat&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

 

[Saman]

Well they'd probably have to avoid eating then, since it's kinda hard to kill and eat plants and animals and still be STO, osit. But I think some groups were much closer to STO than others.

There is also the fact that the C's have mentioned that 3D STO does exist but not in our Realm, and also the fact that they have mentioned the following"

A: STS does not eat according to protocol.
Q: What does that mean?
A: What do you suppose?
Q: I have no idea!
A: STS "eats" whatever it wants to, if it is able.

So if 3D STO does exist, then I would infer that they would eat according to some protocol, likely a protocol that does not go against Mother Nature and the natural balance of her ecosystems as they are.

As for the mention by cholas that there is a contradiction between the two following excerpts:

2/25/95
Q: (BP) Is my perception that my STO is primarily as a healer
correct?
A: You are still STS, like all humans.

And

2/25/95
Q: (BP) Who is M*** H***?
A: True STO.
Q: (J) True STO? Wow! (L) Who is M*** H***? (BP) Is
she a 5th density walk-in?
A: Yes.

Don't forget that the C's have also said that it is the soul that matters:

Q: Is it possible that there are people on the planet now, who
are manifested as 3rd density STS, who at a certain point in
time, due to some event, such as the Wave, will activate
genetically, so that they will then transform into 4th density
STO Nordics?
A: Close, once again, the answer is not so much physicality as
it is spirituality.
Q: So, there could be a lot of 3rd density people who are
conduits or projections of 4th density STO into this reality?
A: Souls, my dear, it is the souls!
Q: So there are 3rd density bodies, inhabited by 4th density
souls, but these bodies, because of the STO honoring of free
will, have all the 3rd density limitations for the present?
A: Yes.

 

[Akopirnas]

_http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/borgia/thumbs_0.html