Why I value Laura's work

astrozombie said:
The only "problem" that I had with channeling or Ouija is that you can't see who you are communicating with. But as I just related to you, the same can be said for OOBE because I was clearly seeing what I wanted to see for many years and truthfully, I must acknowledge that that may still be the case.

Which is why it is important to engage in the hard work of research and gaining a networked understanding which is the feedback loop that can save your buns from the fire, perhaps.
 
As C's say to Laura$Co(?):"We are You (plural?) in future" i wonder if Sarak could be you (astrozombie) in future. Maybe that's one of number of effects of Wave: future selves aha higher selves communicating present selves "increasingly". Very good Work Warriors! :thup:

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Laura said:
astrozombie said:
The only "problem" that I had with channeling or Ouija is that you can't see who you are communicating with. But as I just related to you, the same can be said for OOBE because I was clearly seeing what I wanted to see for many years and truthfully, I must acknowledge that that may still be the case.

Which is why it is important to engage in the hard work of research and gaining a networked understanding which is the feedback loop that can save your buns from the fire, perhaps.

Indeed :)
I can understand the excitement of it all. Heck I remember reading a lot of new age type things and having weird, exciting and engaging experiences for some years before finding my way here. They held a great deal of meaning to me, as they helped me through a difficult period of change in my life.
I can look back now and say that they are now just filed under 'stuff'....in that (when you look at it) life is full of all sorts of weird things. The only difference with these sorts of encounters is they are generally not accepted as 'common', when in fact I think they are.

Deriving meaning from them is as tricky as deriving meaning from organised religion. Both can be very emotionally appealing, making you feel at ease with life and accepted in society or social circles. They give 'meaning' (emotionally). The problem is the mind fills in the blanks....which is why research, testing and always questioning (a mixture of doubt and humour works best) is very important! It can be tricky to see just how important that is when you are still in that place where the emotional significance of the 'experiences' is still strong though - completely understand that one :)

astrozombie said:
Once I stopped my evangelism and they slowly saw how I was becoming more spiritual than ever, they came around to accepting my new way of seeing things. Though I can never know for sure, my beliefs require a whole lot less faith than theirs.

Strategic Enclosure is something you may want to look up in relation to External Considering. It is about taking on board the others persons view of the world, and how shaking it up would make them feel. The 'evangelical' side can run for anything - religion, new age, science, materialism etc. And is based on the emotional weight it holds for the person, who then tries to pass on the same weight - the emotional significance it gives them. Taking a step back and allowing the weight to be their, but not rule you can help with both external considering of others and researching objectively :)
 
From a newbie stance, I value Laura's (and everyone involved with) work as a wake-up call. As a born and bred Catholic, from having to wake up very early every freaking Saturday morning as a kid to go to Catechism, which taught absolute ('brotherhood') crap, to falling asleep at church sermons, to actually confessing a 'sin' to a priest and he essentially giving me the blow-off, I'm not a practicing Catholic any longer. Much to my deceased Father's chagrin, I'm sure. He was a die-hard 'faither'. And I respect him for that. In coversations with him later in his life, I knew that he knew something 'else' was out there. Can't say how; it's just a feeling. But his faith was unwavering and I can't help but think that this faith in the Cs and Laura's work and continuing research to find the truth should be unwavering as well. Thanks for all that you do. I still have a lot to read and to learn, but I know that 'learning is fun'.
 
Sometimes I wonder if many of us don't have some deep subconscious memory that gives us a faith in something "out there" as you say. To me it takes on all the characteristics of a memory, except it's like a neuron marooned in a clearing with very few connections. It makes me think of one of the crop circles the C's interpreted which was supposed to represent buried memories:

http://cassiopaea.org/cass/cropa10.htm

From here:

http://cassiopaea.org/cass/cropcat.htm

The striking thing is the strength of it. It has all the characteristics of a memory but there is just no imagery for me.
 
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