World's First "Cold Fusion" Nickel-Hydrogen Energy Catalyzer invented in Italy??

[MichaelDavid]

Apparently , if this machine truly is what I think it is, this is breaking news. A friend told me about it a few hours ago and I trust him as a source.

Two Italians Focardi and Rossi this past week apparently have discovered true Cold Fusion. If this is true, in my opinion, this is the biggest discovery since electricity. The funny thing is, they aren't even 100% sure how it works but it apparently is "Cold Fusion."

A mainstream video on Cold Fusion from last year if you don't know exactly what it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb-9keOk-CQ&feature=related


These videos have just been put up on Youtube for public viewing. The videos are in Italian but I have included a link with the videos translated into English text regarding their tests and what this device outputs. Basically unlimited energy and the byproduct is copper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVZR5Qx1KOU&feature=related (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrgSXSY-PDE&feature=related (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdPi7vmA2zw&feature=related (Part 3)

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/01/focardi-and-rossi-energy-catalyzer.html ( in English)


I'd like to know what everyone think!! This is truly exciting if this is true, and we should know here in the next few months because they are planning to produce more of these machines soon!

 

[MichaelDavid]

Thought I'd include a quick picture of the 2 and their invention for everyone :)

 

[psychegram]

This link came up on Cryptogon today.

Abstract:

An experimental investigation of possible anomalous heat production in a special type of reactor tube named E-Cat HT is carried out. The reactor tube is charged with a small amount of hydrogen loaded nickel powder plus some additives. The reaction is primarily initiated by heat from resistor coils inside the reactor tube. Measurement of the produced heat was performed with high-resolution thermal imaging cameras, recording data every second from the hot reactor tube. The measurements of electrical power input were performed with a large bandwidth three-phase power analyzer. Data were collected in two experimental runs lasting 96 and 116 hours, respectively. An anomalous heat production was indicated in both experiments. The 116-hour experiment also included a calibration of the experimental set-up without the active charge present in the E-Cat HT. In this case, no extra heat was generated beyond the expected heat from the electric input. Computed volumetric and gravimetric energy densities were found to be far above those of any known chemical source. Even by the most conservative assumptions as to the errors in the measurements, the result is still one order of magnitude greater than conventional energy sources.

_http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

Could this thing be the real deal?

 

[griffin]

From a news item elsewhere:

"...the device works by infusing hydrogen into nickel, transmuting the nickel into copper and releasing a large amount of heat. Hydrogen ions are sucked into a nickel lattice and the nickel's electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons. The nickel nuclei absorb these neutrons; the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons; and thus the nickel goes up in atomic number from 28 to 29, becoming copper."

The nuclear physics that this explanation describes is astounding. It says, "...the nickel's electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons." Oh really? If that's what is actually happening in their reaction chamber, it's quite remarkable. I'm not a nuclear physicist, but it sounds extremely far fetched to me that forcing lightly bound electrons into close proximity with hydrogen atoms might do anything but excite the electrons, and certainly not - abracadabra - transform the hydrogen atoms' protons into neutrons. The rest of their described reaction seems similarly quite unlikely, i.e., "...the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons," etc. Who could guess it is all so easy!

From the abstract it sounds like they might have seen some high heat output from experiments, and I'm open minded that there might be something like cold fusion happening, but the description of the reaction seems impossible. It will be interesting to see what happens with this story as time goes on.

 

[psychegram]

From a news item elsewhere:

"...the device works by infusing hydrogen into nickel, transmuting the nickel into copper and releasing a large amount of heat. Hydrogen ions are sucked into a nickel lattice and the nickel's electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons. The nickel nuclei absorb these neutrons; the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons; and thus the nickel goes up in atomic number from 28 to 29, becoming copper."

The nuclear physics that this explanation describes is astounding. It says, "...the nickel's electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons." Oh really? If that's what is actually happening in their reaction chamber, it's quite remarkable. I'm not a nuclear physicist, but it sounds extremely far fetched to me that forcing lightly bound electrons into close proximity with hydrogen atoms might do anything but excite the electrons, and certainly not - abracadabra - transform the hydrogen atoms' protons into neutrons. The rest of their described reaction seems similarly quite unlikely, i.e., "...the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons," etc. Who could guess it is all so easy!

From the abstract it sounds like they might have seen some high heat output from experiments, and I'm open minded that there might be something like cold fusion happening, but the description of the reaction seems impossible. It will be interesting to see what happens with this story as time goes on.

My own field is astrophysics, so I'm decidedly less competent than you are to judge the plausibility of their suggested reactions. I've definitely been watching this device with a great degree of skepticism, of course.

As to the authors of the paper, the first author at least, Giuseppe Levi, is a nuclear physicist. Here's the link to his (English) CV:

_http://www.unibo.it/Faculty/default.htm?upn=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.it&TabControl1=TabCV

 

[dantem]

The skepticism is even higher just considering the whole 'scientific world' spinning around those cold waters, water-run machines, mini nuke reactors, free energies, and on, on, and on...

Forum Topic: Telesio Galilei - Francesco Fucilla

 

[psychegram]

The skepticism is even higher just considering the whole 'scientific world' spinning around those cold waters, water-run machines, mini nuke reactors, free energies, and on, on, and on...

Forum Topic: Telesio Galilei - Francesco Fucilla

When I try to click the link, I get an error stating that either the topic has disappeared, or is off limits to me....

Regardless I've followed the 'Telesio Galilei' story somewhat and certainly agree that anyone or anything connected with that is to be regarded as dodgy in the extreme. Are Rossi, or the individuals who published the test of his E-Cat, so connected?

 

[Palinurus]

When I try to click the link, I get an error stating that either the topic has disappeared, or is off limits to me....

So did I when checking. Must be an old link. Probably a case of merged c.q. split topics.

I found the following:

Telesio Galilei Academy of Science a Fraud? : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27261.0.html

Francesco Fucilla & Co. Steriwave Stock Scam : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27411.0.html

http://www.sott.net/article/244011-Corruption-in-Science-Francesco-Fucilla-and-the-Telesio-Galilei-Academy-of-Science

http://www.sott.net/article/251809-Francesco-Fucilla-Impossible-science-doesnt-exist

Hope this helps a bit. :)

 

[psychegram]

When I try to click the link, I get an error stating that either the topic has disappeared, or is off limits to me....

So did I when checking. Must be an old link. Probably a case of merged c.q. split topics.

I found the following:

Telesio Galilei Academy of Science a Fraud? : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27261.0.html

Francesco Fucilla & Co. Steriwave Stock Scam : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27411.0.html

http://www.sott.net/article/244011-Corruption-in-Science-Francesco-Fucilla-and-the-Telesio-Galilei-Academy-of-Science

http://www.sott.net/article/251809-Francesco-Fucilla-Impossible-science-doesnt-exist

Hope this helps a bit. :)

Thank you, Palinarus!

 

[dantem]

The skepticism is even higher just considering the whole 'scientific world' spinning around those cold waters, water-run machines, mini nuke reactors, free energies, and on, on, and on...

Forum Topic: Telesio Galilei - Francesco Fucilla

When I try to click the link, I get an error stating that either the topic has disappeared, or is off limits to me....

Regardless I've followed the 'Telesio Galilei' story somewhat and certainly agree that anyone or anything connected with that is to be regarded as dodgy in the extreme. Are Rossi, or the individuals who published the test of his E-Cat, so connected?

Thanks Palinurus for the link refresh!

Hi Psychegram. S.Coyaud, the journalist who wrote extensively against Fucilla et Al. suspects that Rossi and his troupe are spreading disinfo by way of faulted science as many others do concerning those alternative technologies. I've got that no one has really all the clues behind all those experiments, so just take it with a grain of salt, or two The only clear point is that someone is making money out of all this foggy attempts to 'save the world' at a level above, and many others similar 'discoveries' have been proven to be just scams.

 

[psychegram]

The skepticism is even higher just considering the whole 'scientific world' spinning around those cold waters, water-run machines, mini nuke reactors, free energies, and on, on, and on...

Forum Topic: Telesio Galilei - Francesco Fucilla

When I try to click the link, I get an error stating that either the topic has disappeared, or is off limits to me....

Regardless I've followed the 'Telesio Galilei' story somewhat and certainly agree that anyone or anything connected with that is to be regarded as dodgy in the extreme. Are Rossi, or the individuals who published the test of his E-Cat, so connected?

Thanks Palinurus for the link refresh!

Hi Psychegram. S.Coyaud, the journalist who wrote extensively against Fucilla et Al. suspects that Rossi and his troupe are spreading disinfo by way of faulted science as many others do concerning those alternative technologies. I've got that no one has really all the clues behind all those experiments, so just take it with a grain of salt, or two The only clear point is that someone is making money out of all this foggy attempts to 'save the world' at a level above, and many others similar 'discoveries' have been proven to be just scams.

Indeed. If Rossi were really onto something, he wouldn't likely be alive for long, would he?

 

[sarek]

Rossi's team is not the only group working on LENR technology. I have been following this field ever since the first results by Rossi came in early last year and since that time the technology has been picked up by innumerable other groups and institutes as well.

This is just one of the many sites dedicated to this field: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/

 

[lloyd]

The skepticism is even higher just considering the whole 'scientific world' spinning around those cold waters, water-run machines, mini nuke reactors, free energies, and on, on, and on...

Forum Topic: Telesio Galilei - Francesco Fucilla

When I try to click the link, I get an error stating that either the topic has disappeared, or is off limits to me....

Regardless I've followed the 'Telesio Galilei' story somewhat and certainly agree that anyone or anything connected with that is to be regarded as dodgy in the extreme. Are Rossi, or the individuals who published the test of his E-Cat, so connected?

Thanks Palinurus for the link refresh!

Hi Psychegram. S.Coyaud, the journalist who wrote extensively against Fucilla et Al. suspects that Rossi and his troupe are spreading disinfo by way of faulted science as many others do concerning those alternative technologies. I've got that no one has really all the clues behind all those experiments, so just take it with a grain of salt, or two The only clear point is that someone is making money out of all this foggy attempts to 'save the world' at a level above, and many others similar 'discoveries' have been proven to be just scams.

Indeed. If Rossi were really onto something, he wouldn't likely be alive for long, would he?

I agree, if this was legit then I highly doubt they would be 'allowed' to continue with this project.

I worked with a guy a few years ago, nice older gentleman, and he told me of a story back in the 70s he and a friend modified a carburetor and were able to run a car for miles on only a "thimble full" of petrol. Word got out and they made the newspaper. Shortly after he had a few visitors at his door and threatened him if he didn't shut up about what he had done. He told me this story not easily, and I didn't take him for a storyteller, he still spoke with a bit of fear in his voice, and there are others out there that have done the same as him, so getting back to the original post, I think if this could squash everybody's energy bills, believe me there are people out there that would put an end to it by any means necessary.

 

[canavare]

In summary, the performance of the E-Cat reactor is remarkable. We have a device giving heat energy compatible with nuclear transformations, but it operates at low energy and gives neither nuclear radioactive waste nor emits radiation. From basic general knowledge in nuclear physics this should not be possible. Nevertheless we have to relate to the fact that the experimental results from our test show heat production beyond chemical burning, and that the E-Cat fuel undergoes nuclear transformations. It is certainly most unsatisfying that these results so far have no convincing theoretical explanation, but the experimental results cannot be dismissed or ignored just because of lack of theoretical understanding. Moreover, the E-Cat results are too conspicuous not to be followed up in detail. In addition, if proven sustainable in further tests the E- Cat invention has a large potential to become an important energy source. Further investigations are required to guide the interpretational work, and one needs in particular as a first step detailed knowledge of all parameters affecting the E-Cat operation. Our work will continue in that direction.

_http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Omvärld_system/filer/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

 

[Voyageur]

This was discussed (not the PDF) here awhile back - recognized the name, Giuseppe Levi.

Perhaps the Mods can merge this.