Your Astrological Sign May Not Be What You Think It Is..!

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It's a great conversation starter: "What's your sign?"

But before you ask or answer that question, consider this: your zodiac sign corresponds to the position of the sun relative to constellations as they appeared over 2200 years ago!

The science behind astrology may have its roots in astronomy but don’t confuse these two disciplines. Astronomy can explain the position of the stars in the sky but it’s up to you to determine what, if anything, their alignment signifies.

The Constellations of the Zodiac

The ecliptic, or the position of the Sun as it’s perceived from the revolving Earth, passes through the constellations that formed the Zodiac - Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces. Zodiac signs were originally determined by which constellation the Sun was "in" on the day you were born.

Early astronomers observed the Sun traveling through the signs of the Zodiac in the course of one year, spending about a month in each. Thus, they calculated that each constellation extends 30 degrees across the ecliptic.

However, a phenomenon called precession has altered the position of the constellations we see today.

Precession and Astrology

The first day of spring in the Northern Hemisphere was once marked by the zero point of the Zodiac. Astronomers call this the vernal equinox and it occurs as the ecliptic and celestial equator intersect.

Around 600 BCE, the zero point was in Aries and was called the "first point of Aries." (Figure 1) The constellation Aries encompassed the first 30 degrees of the ecliptic; from 30 to 60 degrees was Taurus; from 60 to 90 degrees was Gemini; and so on for all twelve constellations of the Zodiac.

Unbeknownst to the ancient astrologers, the Earth continually wobbles around its axis in a 25,800-year cycle. This wobble—called precession—is caused by the gravitational attraction of the Moon on Earth's equatorial bulge.

Over the past two-and-a-half millennia, this wobble has caused the intersection point between the celestial equator and the ecliptic to move west along the ecliptic by 36 degrees, or almost exactly one-tenth of the way around. This means that the signs have slipped one-tenth—or almost one whole month—of the way around the sky to the west, relative to the stars beyond.

For instance, those born between March 21 and April 19 consider themselves to be Aries. Today, the Sun is no longer within the constellation of Aries during much of that period. From March 11 to April 18, the Sun is actually in the constellation of Pisces! (Figure 2) See also Figure 3, which demonstrates the precession of the equinoxes from 600 BCE to 2600.

Your "Real Sign"

The table below lists the dates when the Sun is actually within the astronomical constellations of the Zodiac, according to modern constellation boundaries and corrected for precession (these dates can vary a day from year to year).

You will most likely find that once precession is taken into account, your zodiac sign is different. And if you were born between November 29 and December 17, your sign is actually one you never saw in the newspaper: you are an Ophiuchus! The eliptic passes through the constellation of Ophiuchus after Scorpius.

Now you really have something cool with which to start that conversation!

Check out your “real” zodiac sign below and see what the sky looked like on your birthday by going to the Birthday Sky application.

Capricorn - Jan 20 to Feb 16
Aquarius - Feb 16 to Mar 11
Pisces - Mar 11 to Apr 18
Aries - Apr 18 to May 13
Taurus - May 13 to Jun 21
Gemini - Jun 21 to Jul 20
Cancer - Jul 20 to Aug 10
Leo - Aug 10 to Sep 16
Virgo - Sep 16 to Oct 30
Libra - Oct 30 to Nov 23
Scorpius - Nov 23 to Nov 29
Ophiuchus - Nov 29 to Dec 17
Sagittarius - Dec 17 to Jan 20



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It's a great conversation starter: "What's your sign?"

But before you ask or answer that question, consider this: your zodiac sign corresponds to the position of the sun relative to constellations as they appeared over 2200 years ago!


Early astronomers observed the Sun traveling through the signs of the Zodiac in the course of one year, spending about a month in each. Thus, they calculated that each constellation extends 30 degrees across the ecliptic.

Actually, they did not. The ancient astronomers knew exactly where the 'constellations' were, for instance Scorpius sweeps along the ecliptic for much more than it's alloted 30 degrees of arc.

However, a phenomenon called precession has altered the position of the constellations we see today.

Weell, technically, the stars are in the same position as ever, that's why they call them 'fixed' stars. Our viewpoint of them based upon the vernal equinox changes approximately every 2200-2500 years, however.

Around 600 BCE, the zero point was in Aries and was called the "first point of Aries." (Figure 1) The constellation Aries encompassed the first 30 degrees of the ecliptic; from 30 to 60 degrees was Taurus; from 60 to 90 degrees was Gemini; and so on for all twelve constellations of the Zodiac.

Again, this is not true. The degrees of arc were calculated based upon the angle of light of the sun and seasons. The first 30 degrees after the spring equinox has been called 'Aries' in recent history, but it is due to a calculated ratio of the passage of time marked by the sun's seasonal ascent and descent, they picked 360 degrees to describe a circle and divided it, by twelve, recently. (There have been historical periods where there were less than twelve signs...sorry I can't quote chapter and verse here, but those facts are buried somewhere in my library, and I don't have time to look it up.)

Unbeknownst to the ancient astrologers, the Earth continually wobbles around its axis in a 25,800-year cycle. This wobble—called precession—is caused by the gravitational attraction of the Moon on Earth's equatorial bulge.

Again untrue. The precession of the equinoxes was known to ancient vedic astrologers, who calculated the precession of our sun against the great central sun quite accurately. We have only recently (in historical time) been able to duplicate their numbers.

Over the past two-and-a-half millennia, this wobble has caused the intersection point between the celestial equator and the ecliptic to move west along the ecliptic by 36 degrees, or almost exactly one-tenth of the way around. This means that the signs have slipped one-tenth—or almost one whole month—of the way around the sky to the west, relative to the stars beyond.

For instance, those born between March 21 and April 19 consider themselves to be Aries. Today, the Sun is no longer within the constellation of Aries during much of that period. From March 11 to April 18, the Sun is actually in the constellation of Pisces! (Figure 2) See also Figure 3, which demonstrates the precession of the equinoxes from 600 BCE to 2600.

Yes this is true. There is a school of astrologers called siderialists who calculate charts based upon the various ayanamsas
(ways of dividing the sky according to the actual fixed stars.) There are different schools depending upon different divisions. Personally I have found siderialist charts attractive to people who are rather fixed in nature...but that's just my opinion.

Tropical astrology, which is most used in the West, is based upon that aforementioned angle of light and time.
So, we know that the cardinal cross (which signifies those basic divisions) is comprised of 'Aries' for spring, 'Cancer' for summer, Libra for fall, and Capricorn for winter.

There are some interesting theories being bandied about about how the zodiac came into being after a polar shift due to cometary impact. The Kalevala, (sp?— the old Norse legends) tells of one such shift. This current operating theory states that earth used to be a relatively upright, cloud covered and unchanging edenic world. Then came a huge impact (Lucifer's fall?) that knocked the upright earth's orbit to one which was tilted and unstable. The 'divisions of the sky' arose from a need to acquaint people with the now shifting seasons as the remaining agrarian people needed to know when to plant and harvest.

Grist for the mill (which was also named in that Norse legend, the starry handle of the great Mill becoming unhinged, and wandering across the sky, bringing cataclysmic winter to the folks.)

 

[Johnno]

This was an interesting article (which I recall seeing somewhere before) and even a better reply from someone in the trade. Thankyou.