Plane Crashes

3 Nov, 2021 12:28 / Updated 7 minutes ago
Russian emergency services are responding after an Antonov An-12 cargo plane was confirmed to have crashed close to the Siberian city of Irkutsk, with officials in Moscow saying at least seven people could have been on board.

“At 2:50pm Moscow time, the An-12 aircraft, flying between Yakutsk and Irkutsk, disappeared from the radar,” a source told RIA Novosti. “Initially, two people have been killed and the fate of a further five people is still unknown.” The plane is said to belong to Belarusian airline ‘Grodno’ and was operating a cargo flight.


“According to preliminary reports, the crash site has been found in the area of the village of Pivovarikha [in the region around Irkutsk], not far from the airfield. The plane went into a second circle during landing and then disappeared from the radar,” a source told the agency.
A source in the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations has since said that “fire and rescue units have arrived at the scene. The plane is catching fire,” and emergency services are working to extinguish the blaze.

The An-12 is a Soviet-era turboprop plane produced between 1957 and 1973, primarily for the armed forces of the USSR. It has since been operated by a number of civilian airlines in the former Soviet Union, primarily for freight flights. In 2019, an An-12 crashed close to Lviv airport in Western Ukraine, killing five of the seven crew on board.

The incident marks the latest in a series of air disasters in Siberia and the Russian Far East. In July, emergency workers investigating the disappearance of an Antonov An-26 turboprop plane announced that they had recovered the bodies of 22 passengers and six crew after it crashed into a cliff on the Kamchatka peninsula.


Nov. 2, 2021


Video of the virtual media availability following the Nov. 2, 2021, board meeting on the Oct. 17, 2019, PenAir flight 3296 runway overrun accident in Unalaska, Alaska.



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Unidentified flying object crashes into a residential area in Zagreb​

NEWS Author:N1 Zagreb, Hina11.03.2022 10:05
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Source: Luka Stanzl/PIXSELL

In a bizarre incident on Thursday evening in Zagreb an unidentified crashed into a residential area in the Jarun neighborhood, leaving a large crater behind, with eyewitnesses reporting seeing parachutes and what looked like aircraft debris. Although there has been no official statement from the country's authorities as of Friday morning, local media, citing military analysts, speculate that the craft is likely to have been an Ukrainian Soviet-era drone.

The crash, which occurred shortly after 11 pm on Thursday evening, was accompanied by a loud noise. Police confirmed that the impact has left a 3-meter crater in a local road, and that two parachutes stuck in nearby trees have also been recovered. There were no reported injuries, although several parked cars have been damaged by the debris.

By Friday morning, the area has been cordoned off, with local authorities issuing a short press release saying that “there’s no reason to panic” and that further investigation is under way. Soon after the mysterious crash, photos and videos of the debris from the crash site began circulating on social media, finding their way to online sleuths and military analysts who identified the aircraft as a Soviet-era drone.

Aviation expert and editor-in-chief of a military technology website The War Zone, Tyler Rogoway, wrote that he “strongly believes” that the craft was a Tu-141 Strizh reconnaissance drone which the Soviet army had used in the 1970s and 1980s. Ukraine, which is currently fighting a Russian invasion, is the only known operator of the missile-like aircraft, although the Russian military also has some units in storage.

The missile-like Tu-141 can fly at transonic speeds and is designed to collect intelligence along a predetermined flight path. After finishing the flight, the drone, which weighs more than 6 tons, is designed to land with the help of two parachutes, so it can be recovered and reused. It reportedly has a range of about 1,000 kilometers, which means it might have been launched from western Ukraine of southern Belarus.

“It must have severely malfunctioned and crossed over the entirety of Hungary or parts of neighboring countries and into Croatia from Ukraine… It has been reported that Ukraine has been putting the high-speed, Soviet-era drones to work in recent days following Russia’s invasion of the country,” Rogoway wrote.

Another possible explanation suggested by Rogoway is that Russia might have used one of their own old Tu-141 pulled out of storage to use as decoys in the ongoing invasion in Ukraine.

As of Friday morning, little else is known about the crash. Local media and analysts are now raising questions about Nato capabilities as it would seem that a 14-meters-long 6-ton missile can travel hundreds of kilometers through the airspace of one or several Nato countries without being detected.

Meanwhile, users on Croatian social media began speculating jokingly that the drone’s operators might have simply mistyped the intended target, as Zagreb’s Jarun neighborhood shares the same name as Yarun, a town in Ukraine some 200 kilometers west of Kyiv.

Tweet translation: "They typed in the wrong Jarun"

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Experienced pilot shocked by the omission: "NATO protection is obviously not working. They will agree on something now, but how will they explain this ..."​

Specialized teams on Jarun, crater and two parachutes found - 35


Specialized teams on Jarun, crater and two parachutes found - 35 Photo: Igor Soban / Pixsell / Pixsell

The morning after the fall of what appears to be a reconnaissance drone from Ukraine, it has not yet been explained how it is possible that the aircraft imperceptibly flew over the air defenses of NATO countries.

It is simply unbelievable that a military aircraft just flies over at least two NATO member states and falls in the middle of the capital of one of them. And it seems that this is exactly what happened late last night when the people of Zagreb were alarmed by a powerful explosion near a large student dormitory and several popular clubs.

Ivan Selak, probably the most famous retired Croatian military pilot, is shocked by the fact that the plane flew unnoticed through the airspace of NATO members. And he is sure that NATO will soon announce that the aircraft was not unnoticed, but he is convinced that this is not the case.

"NATO protection of the airspace of the member countries obviously does not work as it is written in the papers. "But they are denied by one fact. That facility fell on the capital of a NATO member. That is unacceptable," Selak tells us.

Although there is still not much official information about the facility, most likely a Ukrainian drone, Selak assumes that it most likely entered Croatia from Hungarian air traffic.

As this is most likely an old aircraft, not a modern one, it is difficult to believe that it is "invisible" or poorly visible. "I can't believe he wasn't seen and followed. But he just got to the capital of a NATO member and fell there. This is really bizarre and funny. It made me laugh so much that no one reacted. There's probably panic in NATO now. airspace control and are now coming up with an answer, ”Selak says.

He assumes that the loss of fuel is the reason for the crash. "When a plane falls to the ground and nothing burns, then that's probably the reason. If there was fuel in it, there would be a fire," said a retired military pilot, who assumes the drone in Croatia ended because it "got out of control." . Such aircraft can be operated during the flight, but they can also plan the entire flight route.


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Further, reporters were not allowed to come to the site and were threatened with an arrest.

And more, that night, nearby residents have noticed smell of ammonia; again below is auto-translation with GTranslate:


'The smell of ammonia kept coming out of my nose all night. One man got sick, and it is a real miracle that no one was hurt because there are always people there!'; Dalmatians from a nearby students dormitory did not close their eyes for fear after the unusual detonation​


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Students of the Stjepan Radić dormitory in Zagreb and passers-by, while going on their daily duties, stop by the police lane and try to see first hand the crater that was created after last night's plane crash from the air on Jarun.

However, the police fenced off a large part of the area in order not to contaminate some of the possible evidence, but also in order to collect absolutely all parts of the aircraft that exploded last night. Every piece of this strange mosaic, as it can be heard, is very important for unraveling the mystery that upset the people of Zagreb last night, reports Jutarnji list .

The investigation is being carried out in parallel along the Sava embankment on the grassy part, not far from the student dormitory, because one of the passers-by noticed tin objects in that part that do not belong there.

Due to an extensive police investigation in the Jarun zone, a part of Jarun Street from the intersection with Haberleova Street to Selska Street was closed.

Pieces of the aircraft were sent for expertise in order to determine with absolute certainty what exactly it was about.

Some of the students we talked to this morning spent a sleepless night, because they spent half the night outside, and (the) remaining part of the night spent thinking about what it would be like if the plane fell about 100 meters away where the pavilions are full students. Among them are many Dalmatians who did not close their eyes.

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- I smelled ammonia all night, like those hair dyes. The air was smelly and irritating. Here, and now I feel the smell I felt last night after something fell from the sky and a red light was seen in the fall. As he left a trail across the sky, the object made a loud sound, as if even accelerating, so people passing by the parking lot literally started to run away. It followed as a sort of detonation, but nothing concrete could be seen in the dark. And from that smell, which was literally suffocating, a man on a bicycle got sick, so some guys who happened to be nearby came to his aid. He collapsed - a student of the Faculty of Economics, Josip K. , told Jutarnji list .

Jarun road and parking lot are full of debris and asphalt, and there are also damaged cars

His colleague from the home reveals to us, however, that he overheard a conversation between police officers who were very surprised and worried during the investigation.

- I heard the police talking to each other, because they already knew that the plane had fallen, while the rest of us were amazed, creating conspiracy theories and trying to find out on social media what fell and exploded. They said they were waiting for the military police because the crater was slipping and that it had formed from some broken piece of spacecraft that had a really low trajectory. They said that because of that, the aircraft was not spotted on the radars because the flight control did not report any flight, let alone a lost plane - recalled another student, noting that it is a blessing that there are no victims because people are always moving in that part.

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From RT:

Croatia confirms crashed drone came from Ukraine​

The aircraft that fell on Zagreb traveled through Romania and Hungary, officials said

Croatia confirms crashed drone came from Ukraine

FILE PHOTO. A Tupolev Tu-141 UAV pictured during military drills in Ukraine. © Ukraine's Armed Forces

The military drone that crashed overnight in the Croatian capital of Zagreb apparently came from Ukraine, President Zoran Milanovic said on Friday, after chairing a meeting of the National Security Council.

The six-ton aircraft traveled through the airspace of Romania and Hungary before reaching Croatia, Milanovic claimed, citing reports he received during the meeting. It flew through Hungarian airspace for about 40 minutes.
The six-ton aircraft traveled at the speed of almost 1000 km (621 miles) per hour and spent seven minutes over Croatia, before apparently running out of fuel and crashing, the president said.

Milanovic called the incident very serious, but stressed that it didn’t appear to be some sort of attack against his country. He expressed relief over the fact that nobody was hurt by the crash and called on Croatians to maintain calm.
The president wondered how a relatively unsophisticated drone could spend an hour in NATO airspace without being intercepted, despite being detected by radar stations. The incident showed that the country needs to better develop its defenses, he stated.

When asked by journalists whether Zagreb would complain to Ukraine if the origin of the drone was confirmed to be Ukrainian, Milanovic said Kiev had its hands full fighting off the Russian attack.

“I just hope it doesn't happen again,” he said.

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Croatian Defense Minister Mario Banozic held a press-conference, during which he said the Croatian military didn’t fail in the incident since the aircraft posed no threat to the country.
Admiral Robert Hranj, the Chief of the General Staff of Croatia, who spoke alongside the minister, confirmed that Zagreb didn’t scramble fighter jets in response to the drone’s violation of Croatian airspace, claiming that the military didn’t have enough time to do so.

The aircraft that crashed in Zagreb’s Jarun neighborhood on Thursday night is widely presumed to have been a Soviet-designed Tu-141 Strizh reconnaissance drone. Hranj declined to assign ownership of the unmanned plane, stating that this type of aircraft was “relatively old-fashioned and widespread in the Soviet Union since the last century.”

A Tu-141 weighs about six tons, has a speed of around 1,000 km (621 miles) per hour and a range of 1,000 km. It lands with the help of a tail-mounted parachute system. Croatian police discovered parachutes in the area of the crash.

Ukraine is the only nation that officially operates Tu-141s at the moment.


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This afternoon there was another one flying and touched Hungarian territory, but when Hungarian jets came to intercept it, the plane was already gone.
 
BREAKING:

Boeing 737 crashes in China – reports

There were reported to have been 133 passengers aboard the China Eastern Airlines aircraft

Chinese state media outlet CCTV reported on Monday that a Boeing 737 had crashed in a mountain range in Tengxian, Guangxi, in the country’s south. Rescue efforts are currently underway.

The plane, which was carrying 133 passengers, is believed to have caught fire as the result of a malfunction. It is not yet known how many people have been injured, or if there are any fatalities.

Footage reportedly showing the downed aircraft is circulating on social media, but its veracity has not been confirmed.

Flight tracking data from FlightRadar24 suggests the Boeing 737 was Flight MU5735, which was traveling from Kunming to Guangzhou before it experienced difficulty. The tracking website VariFlight has updated its status to “lost contact.”

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What the heck happened?! Meteorite strike? :-ooOOOOO Jesus!
The sudden drop suggests the super-strong up & downward tearing turbulent "wind-vortex", the C's were talking about. (IIRC) Plus they also mentioned devastatingly strong 'disintegrator lightning' strikes.
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Some more info here:

Can't look right know, I'm too tired, just arrived home from 3 hours of fasted sprinting exercise, my mind is blown..
Anybody here can CV this: take a look?
Will try tomorrow..
:cry: Jesus, this is horrible. I can only feel the waves of pain incoming from there. :cry:
 
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The last moment of crashed Chinese Boeing 737 airliner was captured on a security camera on the ground. The company located in Wuzhou has confirmed the video is genuine, it is the final footage of the crash. A long black strip suddenly appears from the very top of the camera and falls into the tree line. On March 21, a local mining company’s camera captured the China Eastern Airlines MU5735 nosedived to ground. Chinese Eastern Airline has suspended all its Boeing 737 airliners. The accident will impact 737 MAX to Chinese airline service.

China Plane Crash: What Happened to Eastern Airline Flight MU5735?
Mar. 21—The China Eastern Airline plane that crashed in the country's Guangxi province on Monday was carrying 132 people — 123 passengers and nine crew members. The plane — a Boeing 737 -went down in flames over mountains in southern China while on a flight from Kunming to Guangzhou — a distance of around 1,340 km and a flying time of approximately two hours.

The number of casualties is unknown at this time. State broadcaster CCTV said China's aviation body, the Civil Aviation Administration of China, has rushed emergency search-and-rescue teams to the crash site. Media cited a rescue official as saying the plane had disintegrated. A fire sparked by the crash destroyed bamboo and trees before being put out.

What happened to China Eastern Airline flight MU5735?
> The flight departed the southwestern city of Kunming at 1.11 pm ( 10.41 am India time).
> It was due to land in Guangzhou, on China's south coast, at 3:05 p.m. ( 0705 GMT).
> Radar showed the aircraft making a steep descent and contact was lost over Wuzhou city.
> The plane was cruising at 29,100 feet at 11.50 am India time.
> Around 135 seconds later, next available data (from flight-tracking service FlightRadar24) showed it had descended to 9,075 feet.
> Its last tracked altitude was 3,225 feet, some 20 seconds later. At the time the plane was travelling at 376 knots per hour.
> Tracking stopped at 2.22 pm ( 11.52 am India time).

Article with lots of info:
Chinese plane crash Live Updates: Airliner with 132 on board crashes in Guangxi mountains, no sign of survivors
 
Very strange.


China's MU5735 airline nosediving to the ground..."incredibly unusual"


The Cs said in the "past":

: (L) Alright, I guess ya'll want to ask your questions about your airplane.

(Perceval) So, what caused the crash of the Germanwings flight into the mountain?

A: Autopilot system.

Q: (Perceval) The autopilot system caused it. Well, yeah! We know that. Was the autopilot system hijacked remotely?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Uh, by who?

A: Guess!

Q: (Perceval) Mossad.

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Was the purpose to...

A: A warning! Imagine all the "authorities" in various governments being made acutely aware that planes that they travel on themselves can be so easily manipulated?!

P: (Galatea) So they can control any plane they want at any time.

(Perceval) So that suggests that this remote hijacking isn't limited to Boeing's uninterruptible autopilot system being installed, because that could be taken out. "Authorities" could have that removed...

A: It needs the system!

A warning to China? Or simple human error?
 
The 737 has a rudder problem that can cause the plane to invert and nosedive into the ground. A fix for the problem was discovered. It could be the Chinese never bothered to make the repair. Or it could be some other issue.

This video is very interesting.

 
The 737 has a rudder problem that can cause the plane to invert and nosedive into the ground. A fix for the problem was discovered. It could be the Chinese never bothered to make the repair. Or it could be some other issue.

This video is very interesting.

The crashed aircraft in question is 737-800, not the defective MAX version. I've heard from multiple source this crash is very unusual because the plane was travelling at normal cruise speed and altitude, there were no distress mayday calls, no unusual weather nor other planes flying in dangerous proximity, it just changed trajectory like it plummeted nose down as if it had lost its wings. This plane is one of the most popular of the 737 series with excellent safety record. I will be watching the developments closely because at this time there was no apparent catastrophic mechanical failure to speculate with. However, it went down in China, so , we don't know how much we gonna receive info wise from their authorities, if they are going to let Boeing or international experts investigate the cause in China.
 
The crashed aircraft in question is 737-800, not the defective MAX version. I've heard from multiple source this crash is very unusual because the plane was travelling at normal cruise speed and altitude, there were no distress mayday calls, no unusual weather nor other planes flying in dangerous proximity, it just changed trajectory like it plummeted nose down as if it had lost its wings. This plane is one of the most popular of the 737 series with excellent safety record. I will be watching the developments closely because at this time there was no apparent catastrophic mechanical failure to speculate with. However, it went down in China, so , we don't know how much we gonna receive info wise from their authorities, if they are going to let Boeing or international experts investigate the cause in China.
Yes, i think i remember that the very sudden, lethal crashes of some Boeings 737 happened in the 90s somewhere because of a dual valve failure. Because of thermal chock between the cold valve and the hot fluid or something.

Creating the “perfect crime” by blocking the dual valves due to ice crystals - jamming the rudder, sending the planes into a steep, unrecoverable nosedives. Horrible accidents.

In the 10 years ongoing investigations, it puzzled everyone trying to find the smoking gun: because those dual valves passed all tests and had no traces or malfunctions. (The ice crystals melted, and with that, the evidence).

Until one plane again got a rudder jammed and temporarily went into a spin - but then recovered as the rudder became unjammed - able to land safely. That is when they discovered after a decade the culprit of those sudden jammed rudders.

Let me see if i can find something like a link.

Ah, here it is, at Wikipedia.

The Ethiopian Airliner and Indonesian Lion Air plane (Boeing 737 MAX) were of a different model with different (design and software) problems.

The Germanwings airplane which got crashed into the French Alps, as a Airbus 320 (-211) model.
 
Yes, i think i remember that the very sudden, lethal crashes of some Boeings 737 happened in the 90s somewhere because of a dual valve failure. Because of thermal chock between the cold valve and the hot fluid or something.

Creating the “perfect crime” by blocking the dual valves due to ice crystals - jamming the rudder, sending the planes into a steep, unrecoverable nosedives. Horrible accidents.

In the 10 years ongoing investigations, it puzzled everyone trying to find the smoking gun: because those dual valves passed all tests and had no traces or malfunctions. (The ice crystals melted, and with that, the evidence).

Until one plane again got a rudder jammed and temporarily went into a spin - but then recovered as the rudder became unjammed - able to land safely. That is when they discovered after a decade the culprit of those sudden jammed rudders.

Let me see if i can find something like a link.

Ah, here it is, at Wikipedia.

The Ethiopian Airliner and Indonesian Lion Air plane (Boeing 737 MAX) were of a different model with different (design and software) problems.

The Germanwings airplane which got crashed into the French Alps, as a Airbus 320 (-211) model.
Considering the amount of flight hours these planes do, and this one is a relatively new one, 7 years old or so they say, this is a very uncharacteristic mysterious failure akin to the Airbus 320 crash in the Alps and the Malaysian flight 370 , both cases suspiciously deemed as suicide missions by plane. I just can't see how ice crystals can cause such a wild dramatic rudder movement so the rudders in both wings lock up spontaneously in a nose dive position unable to recover as if the rudder controls were taken over by something to deliberately crash the plane. If the plane was landing and the rudders get stuck or hard to control then yes, it may cause a catastrophic crash, it had happened on take offs too, but at cruising altitude 30k feet? The flight originated from a densely populated urban area like Kunming (6 million people) most people never heard of, to Guangzhou, a major trade center which GDP is roughly 1/4th the size of Russia, say, it is the equivalent to a flight from Phoenix to Chicago but 5 times the size of population, just to give you some perspective.
 
I agree that somethings with this crash is not adding up, just to many anomalies.
Here's just a few items. But obviously one can connect to flightradar24 for other insightful observation's.
And they are technical and a bit bizarre. With mathematically spoke terms that defy the explanations.

Luo@luojungui
6:26 AM · Mar 21, 2022
A person close to China Eastern Airlines revealed that the #MU5735 was piloted by three pilots, the captain had 7,000 hours of flying experience and the co-pilot had 30,000 hours. Another is a trainee pilot with 300 hours.

@luojungu and @flightradar24
10:13 AM · Mar 21, 2022
An unconfirmed message from a pilot who was near MU5735 at that time : ATC was aware of the #mu5735 flight anomaly then and contacted them immediately but no response there.

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Considering the amount of flight hours these planes do, and this one is a relatively new one, 7 years old or so they say, this is a very uncharacteristic mysterious failure akin to the Airbus 320 crash in the Alps and the Malaysian flight 370 , both cases suspiciously deemed as suicide missions by plane. I just can't see how ice crystals can cause such a wild dramatic rudder movement so the rudders in both wings lock up spontaneously in a nose dive position unable to recover as if the rudder controls were taken over by something to deliberately crash the plane. If the plane was landing and the rudders get stuck or hard to control then yes, it may cause a catastrophic crash, it had happened on take offs too, but at cruising altitude 30k feet? The flight originated from a densely populated urban area like Kunming (6 million people) most people never heard of, to Guangzhou, a major trade center which GDP is roughly 1/4th the size of Russia, say, it is the equivalent to a flight from Phoenix to Chicago but 5 times the size of population, just to give you some perspective.

Malfunctions in the tail…

The lockup of the dual valves causing those sudden 737 plane crashes, happened in the tail, not in the wings. You can’t steer the angle of the plane if the rudder in the tail locks up into the opposite position.

Similar (albeit a totally different failure) happened with Alaska Airlines 261 - a MD-83 McDonnell Douglas crashed in year 2000 over the sea of Los Angeles.

Here too the failure happened in the (t-)tail. The issue was that the jackscrew there wasn’t lubed for a very long time - which caused it to grind to a halt and jam. As the pilots tried to solve the problem, the (only) nut that held the jackscrew in place, broke away. From that moment the flight was doomed. The flaps in the t-tail went all the way into the upward and beyond position forcing the nose down. It crashed with its nose straight into the water.

So, anything that concerns the tail of an aircraft, is iffy business and many airplanes have crashed due to (different) but tail related malfunctions.

An airplane that went down over Queens right after 9/11 also had an rudder issue due to wrong usage by the crew. It ultimately broke away and the aircraft from that point became uncontrollable. The captain tried to counterbalance of what he thought was wake turbulence but used the rudder for it - which caused extreme stresses - and ain’t recommended to be used like that. It actually intensifies the impression of being caught in a “wake turbulence” even stronger when you use back rudder - so he jacked it from left to right and to the opposite several times thinking he got stuck in the turbulence. But was actually causing it.

The tail fin/rudder broke away, and the aircraft cashed into the residential area.

And speaking of crystals in the dual valve - it is an extreme precision piece of equipment steering the tail rudders functions. It is by design free from any particles in the fluid, but even the smallest amounts of any particles, creates trouble. It is not totally out of the blue to believe that when you cruise at high altitudes, that you have extreme low temperatures.

Sometimes airplanes can’t fly over the north pole or regions at certain heights in certain temperature conditions, because it is too cold, dropping below a certain threshold - crystals appear in the fuel pipelines which at the connection points with filters, can cause flame out due to fuel starvation.

This happened to a flight , British Airways flight 38, in 2007 (?) landing in London, at which at the most crucial moment right before the final landing procedure, couldn’t get any power from the engines - and crash landed.
 
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