Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

The bankers that back both sides in wars. Mossad. Soros. Neo Conservatives. Ashkanazi. Zionists. And of course, their masters, 4DSTS. Military Industrial Complex. Rosenkreuz. NGO's. Alphabet soup of 'spies', agents, media. And in this particular case financial investors of the biolabs. To mention a few Joe.

And you're saying we don't mention such types on this forum?
 
Something doesn't add up in the story with Medvedchuk as it's developing. Actually, it stinks. A quick recap:

[Machine and my own translations are included, some may be far from perfect; my comments in square brackets ]

April 12 - SBU captured Medvedchuk supposedly on a direct order from Zelensky [and whoever was behind it; Z is a puppet]. The same day Zelensky suggested he would exchange Medvedchuk for Ukrainian citizens who were held captive by the Russian military [but (MoIA) only after Medvedchuk gives “certain evidence”/ testimony].

April 13 - Ukrainian TV channel 24: Vadim Denisenko, adviser to the head of the Ukrainian Internal Ministry said that before exchanging Medvedchuk for Ukrainian prisoners, it is necessary to obtain testimony from him and wait for the verdict of the court in his case. "When we talk about Medvedchuk, it would actually be right to do two things: at a minimum, that he give certain testimony, because he has a huge amount of information, who and to whom gave money for the movement of collaborators (referring to RF funding the "fifth column" in ua). As a maximum, it would be ideal to hold a trial as quickly as possible." He also said that first you need to conduct a “maximum fast trial” over Medvedchuk, give him “the appropriate time”, “knock certain evidence out of him” and exchange him after that.

The topic of “certain testimonies” caused a sound reaction from the Russian leadership. “British scheme: conduct a quick trial, give a deadline, and then knock out evidence. It works flawlessly,” - Zakharova on Telegram.

Dmitry Medvedev recommended representatives of the Ukrainian authorities who wish to “knock out” evidence from Viktor Medvedchuk, to look around carefully and lock the doors tightly for the night.]

April 13 again - Peskov stated that Moscow will monitor the fate of Medvedchuk and call for European politicians to do the same. At the same time, the Kremlin does not see the possibility of exchanging opposition Ukrainian politician for captured Ukrainian military personnel - he is not a citizen of the Russian Federation and is not related to special operations. "We don’t even know if he wants any participation of Russia in resolving this libelous situation against him

April 16 - Medvedchuk's wife Oksana Marchenko spoke up. She asked Putin to facilitate the exchange and said that Viktor Medvedchuk gave his consent to exchange and extradition to the territory of the Russian Federation in case the Russian and Ukrainian parties reached the relevant agreements. [AFAIK, SBU is not very eager to allow their prisoners' contact with family members. Looks like someone is really pushing for that.]

April 18 - Still in the hands of SBU, Medvedchuk comes with his appeal to both, Putin and Zelensky, by saying in front of a camera:

"I, Medvedchuk Viktor Vladimirovich, want to appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky with a request to exchange me with the Ukrainian side on the defenders of Mariupol and the residents who are there and are not able to safely exit through humanitarian corridors."

[This doesn't make any sense in more than one way. He, an Ukrainian, wants to be embraced by Putin in exchange for Ukrainians whom (allegedly) Putin keeps hostage in Mariupol and who cannot use the corridors. Unspoken accusation for something that was a lie. It were the Ukies who didn't allow their fighters to leave Azovstal and kept the fighting, and by that made it too risky for any civilians to use the corridors. Plus, offering himself in exchange for an unnamed number of other people is at the very least unethical. Not to mention that he has nothing to do with the Special Operation - not a soldier, even not an active politician; just an oligarch under a fraud investigation and not that precious to Russia, or to Putin. It does seem as not coming from his own initiative, but more - as some deputies and commentators suggested - like said at gunpoint. Someone really wants him out of Ukraine (a competing oligarch?), or someone really wants for Putin to bite the bait... which may have something to do with the "testimony" whether they kicked it out from M. or manufactured.]

April 19 - Peskov said that there is no reaction in the Kremlin to the appeal.
But simultaneously with the SBU publication (April 18), TV channel "Russia 24" showed two British citizens captured in Ukraine - Sean Pinner and Aiden Eslin. They asked the British authorities, in particular Boris Johnson, to assist in their exchange for Medvedchuk.

[BTW, Northern Ireland Minister Brandon Lewis in an interview with Sky News said that the UK does not intend to enter into negotiations with Moscow on the exchange of the head of the Ukrainian party “Opposition Platform - For Life” Viktor Medvedchuk for two British citizens who were captured by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And that Brits should not have gone to Ukraine at all, it is illegal.]

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Why on earth, with so many Russian military officials having been captured by Ukrainian forces, they singled out Medvenchuk and keep on trying to serve him on a silver platter to Putin?

A couple of Russian comments

Nikolai Topornin, director of the Center for European Information, associate professor of the Department of European Law of MGIMO:

“There are no international legal standards, in particular within the framework of the Geneva Conventions, which would provide for such a specific exchange. The standards are such that soldiers need to be exchanged for soldiers, but the exchange of a politician for a prisoner of war does not fit into this scheme."

Konstantin Zatulin, the first deputy head of the State Duma committee on CIS affairs, Eurasian integration and relations with compatriots, told Izvestia:

What is the nature of this exchange, is not very clear. We may have general humanitarian considerations that indicate that it is necessary to help out people who were detained on suspicion of cooperation with Russia. On the other hand, the question arises: what are the conditions under which one Ukrainian citizen must be extradited in order to receive other Ukrainian citizens.

There are some interesting angles to the whole story, but making those connections is a bit speculative, so I'd rather keep it for a separate post. I'm in the process collecting material and making sense of it, can take a while. Big money seem to be part of it.
 
A note to the mods: I know this Khazarian Mafia discussion is not part of the tread heading, but since the discussion is here, I am going to post. You can move as you like, but I don’t think this discussion will take much longer and probably doesn’t need its own thread.

happyliza:

Thanks for your post on the subject of the Khazarian Mafia, also BHelmet for your response. I understand both points of view and found the subject interesting.

First, I, like happyliza, was wondering are we going to work on this? I even wrote up my thoughts on the 3 videos…but did not post them. Then in time wondered why this subject was not being discussed. It seemed to have all the right puzzle pieces, and in the right context, just a few “I wouldn’t go there spots,” or misguided statements. So…why no traction? Before BHelmet coined the phrase “no comment”, or “no response” I was calling it the void, or a no-go zone, and I couldn’t put my finger on why. After it “appeared” to be ignored, I though, I guess I’m not alone in being cautious of this article. Is that a trigger to keep people from discussing it? Or a caution to stop and think?

Here are some thoughts on the subject:

I agree we should be studying this, as part of the end time cycle, great harvest, how lifetime relationships dissolve overnight as people take different paths. Sleepy virgins. How the battle is fought through us, and who are we battling anyway? Is it never a physical battle, sometimes physical or always spiritual? Observing as much as we can about this critical cycle period. I think this is part of what was meant by the C’s when they said “what do you see

We have all had to deal with the Jewish-Israeli-Zionist-Mossad-Judaism-Marano-Christians et al. i.e., the nebulous Jewishness question, and learned about the strategic enclosures associated with discussing the subject. Let’s just say you need to be mature enough, experienced enough, and know a whole lot of history to deal with it. Especially to understand who you can, and cannot talk to about it. If 100 million have watch 3 hours of this information, what will they do with the information? Will they understand that it ain’t “The Jews” “The Bolsheviks” “The Nazi’s” “The Catholic Church” nor “The illuminati”. But that it is…

The Changelings:

This sci fi example works for the illustration. Especially if they have been augmented as the documentary suggests. They can a use any group as needed. Like slipping on the jersey of whatever team they want, use it for as long as they want, then discard it, and let the patsy group burn for the crimes they committed.

The mob, if awakened to this, would only understand going after the latest jersey the changelings were wearing and destroying everyone associated with it. So, there does exist the question “does the world need to know? Should they know?

The documentary suggests that, because the KM are in physical bodies, we can and should take them out? I’m not sure about that. It also suggests that they are augmented for access/communications with the interdimensional they serve. And we know they are now represented in basically every influential power on earth. So, again I’m not so sure we should try to “go get em!”

This concept came from the bible so it is, what it is, but I like the concept so I’ll use it. In the final battle the Christ figure fights with the sword of his mouth. Speaking truth as a weapon as I see it. You have to have the wisdom to know when to, and when not to, use it.

The battle is through them (the Changelings, the OP, and the common sleepy souls) and us too. So, who is battling what? We are all being used.

If we speak truth with the sword of our mouth (at the appropriate time) does it penetrate through the OP and effect the STS-4D agent on the other side?

Does working on self and holding the FRV illuminate the spiritual environment around us, thus retarding or disabling the changelings? Could us and others working and holding the FRV be why the KM are being exposed? Why 100 million people have taken an interest in them?

Does not falling asleep, working on self, and holding the FRV impower and free-up the STO-4D to actions otherwise prohibited?

A tip from the C’s: There are things they won’t talk about. They allow people and groups to have their biases and programs, but they do also input nudges in the right direction. They read the person and can go from very informative, to silent, depending on the person receptiveness and desires. I try to do the same so as not to create more harm than good, or just wasting my time. What the C’s do not do, is tell just anybody everything (like I used to do) I can be helping, I can be doing damage, or I can be doing nothing with the same information.

This KM thing could be just an empty tent. Meant to keep us running in circles. After all the Changelings are everywhere, in every influential organization, and with every sir name on earth. And that’s not to say there isn’t a lot of damning and probably correct info presented. But has the probable reaction to the information already been planned out?

Last (speculative) thought. The C’s said in (I think 2014) Paraphrased. halleluiah! It’s been decided, there will be a clean sweep! I often think, let the decomposers tear it all down, that’s their job, and let the nature/cosmic forces finish it off. The school needs reset. We have inside info that “their” reset will not happen. So, a) all may be gone, and the earth will have a period of rest. Or b) small enclaves all around the earth will get back to the business of creative human life. And if that happens swiftly enough, some of us may be around to assist in that new beginning. I imagine setting around a campfire and saying hey anybody remember the Beatles? And someone raises their dirty face in the fire lite and says Yeah, yeah, yeah😊
 
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Telegram message from Scott Ritter:😢

“When Belorussian authorities pulled Roman Protasevich, a blogger who had served a combat tour in the neo-Nazi Azov battalion before working for Radio Free Europe’s Belarus channel out of Prague, off an airplane in May, 2021, on charges of inciting a political opposition (roughly the equivalent of sedition), the world went crazy, accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of trampling on free speech. Protasevich is alive and well, living under house arrest while awaiting trial.

When reports emerged that Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social media “influencer” who resided in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who published online content critical of the Ukrainian government, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by the Kraken Unit, part of the Azov battalion affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), the West is silent.


Free speech isn’t a one way street. To remain silent in the murder of Gonzo Lira is to be complicit in his death, and the deaths of all journalists who pursue the truth, even if it runs counter to the mainstream narrative. Critical thinking should not be a death sentence. Unfortunately for Gonzo Lira, it seems it was.”
 
I might be misunderstanding something here but just to get clarity maybe we can speak clearly - is there a side conversation about jewish bloodline conspiracies in this thread about russia/ukraine conflict?

A note to the mods: I know this Khazarian Mafia discussion is not part of the tread heading, but since the discussion is here, I am going to post. You can move as you like, but I don’t think this discussion will take much longer and probably doesn’t need its own thread.

happyliza:

Thanks for your post on the subject of the Khazarian Mafia, also BHelmet for your response. I understand both points of view and found the subject interesting.

First, I, like happyliza, was wondering are we going to work on this? I even wrote up my thoughts on the 3 videos…but did not post them. Then in time wondered why this subject was not being discussed. It seemed to have all the right puzzle pieces, and in the right context, just a few “I wouldn’t go there spots,” or misguided statements. So…why no traction? Before BHelmet coined the phrase “no comment”, or “no response” I was calling it the void, or a no-go zone,
What are we talking about here? What exactly is a person not disclosing regarding this subject? are there hidden discourses? is that in the spirit of this forum? maybe some mod input would help clarify, actually.

We have all had to deal with the Jewish-Israeli-Zionist-Mossad-Judaism-Marano-Christians et al. i.e., the nebulous Jewishness question, and learned about the strategic enclosures associated with discussing the subject. Let’s just say you need to be mature enough, experienced enough, and know a whole lot of history to deal with i
what is so nebulous about what you call "the Jewishness question"? is it that you'd like to speculate about hidden Jewish power structures operating clandestinely or overtly but you're afraid of being accused of anti-Semitism? Why are we dancing around eggshells?
 
The is the latest new analysis from UK Column they aire 3 times weekly Mon Wed Fri, although they are UK based and cover UK topics, they do highlight international news also. This week Vanessa Beeley joined them giving background information of Gonzalo Lira. She discusses the Daily Beast atrocious article and those involved from right sector groups in Ukraine and also relevant twitter, also some revealing in depth analysis.
Apparently the next to be targeted in Patrick Lancaster.


Brian Gerrish, Mike Robinson, Debi Evans and Vanessa Beeley with today's UK Column News.

The relevant segment regarding Gonzalo Lira is time stamped @ 26:36 although the whole presentation is interesting and has relevance in an international context. It is approx 1:30 mins long.
 
I might be misunderstanding something here but just to get clarity maybe we can speak clearly - is there a side conversation about jewish bloodline conspiracies in this thread about russia/ukraine conflict?


What are we talking about here? What exactly is a person not disclosing regarding this subject? are there hidden discourses? is that in the spirit of this forum? maybe some mod input would help clarify, actually.


what is so nebulous about what you call "the Jewishness question"? is it that you'd like to speculate about hidden Jewish power structures operating clandestinely or overtly but you're afraid of being accused of anti-Semitism? Why are we dancing around eggshells?
I think what @Adobe was getting at is that the topic has been covered in many ways and in many threads over the years. I too have been watching the thread and have been expecting at some point to see it merged into one of the existing older threads, because while perhaps related, it’s really too big a topic to be discussed as a sidebar within this thread. It’s certainly not “nebulous” as far as topics go within the forum. But in context it can be a distraction from “Putin Recognized Donbass” which itself was an offshoot from yet another older thread that, to emphasize my point, had grown to long to contain it, warranting an update. If it’s Khazar discussion that interests you, use the Search function. There’s plenty to bump with any new discussion you’re interested in.😊
 
There is also this graph going around on several Telegram channels:

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I suppose that the Russian intelligence have the plan of this complex. So if they lock all the escapes they don't need to fight, just wait that the enemy surrenders.

Now I don't know if it's really an option as I have seen a post talking about something large like 15 kilometres (9 Miles).
 

Ukrainian “Top 10 Smuggler” Held Nearly $66 Million in Credit Suisse​


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Orest Firmanyuk
Master smuggler

A businessman sanctioned by Ukraine in 2021 over allegations he smuggled huge quantities of goods had a Swiss bank account worth $66 million, despite longstanding allegations of illegal activities.

The Ukrainian government calls Orest Firmanyuk a smuggler. He prefers to refer to what he does as “tax optimization.”

“There is smuggling in the classic sense – narcotics, guns – and these are criminal offenses,” he explained to a reporter over coffee at the Fairmont Grand Hotel in Kyiv this January, before the Russian invasion of Ukraine plunged the country into war.

“Then there is goods smuggling, which in my understanding, is run-of-the-mill tax evasion.”

He acknowledged that his business centered around bringing cheap household goods and textiles into Ukraine, mainly from China, but insisted he was only a small-scale “tax optimizer.”

“In this market I am not a saint, I am not ideal, but I am not even in the top 100,” Firmanyuk said, sitting at a white marble table at the hotel’s luxurious Zia restaurant, overlooking the Dnipro River.

The government of President Volodymyr Zelensky would disagree. In April last year, Zelensky froze the assets of what he called Ukraine’s top 10 smugglers. Firmanyuk was one of them.

Zelensky said Firmanyuk and the nine other people were engaged in “economic terrorism” that cost Ukraine some $10.6 billion in lost revenues.

Firmanyuk denied the allegations, calling it a “PR stunt,” and said his wealth has been greatly exaggerated.

He also refused to confirm or deny the existence of a Credit Suisse account in his name, which was included in data from the bank that was leaked to German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung.

Firmanyuk said that if he did have money in a Swiss bank, “that would not be bad.”

In 2011, the records show that he opened an account at Switzerland’s second largest bank that stayed open for four years. Over that same period, his name started appearing in media stories about smuggling and corruption in Ukrainian customs.

The leaked data shows that Firmanyuk’s account expanded to over 68 million Swiss francs (around $66.8 million) by 2015, although he disputed the figure.

“I aspire to such, but unfortunately I do not have such money,” Firmanyuk said.

As his bank balance grew, so did reports about his contraband activities. News stories linked Firmanyuk to corrupt customs and “special tariffs” when it comes to customs fees.

“He is making deals with the highest tax officials in Kyiv. And what’s interesting about him and companies [like his] is that they have their own officials in the customs service and they are paying separate salary for those”, said Yulia Marushevska, who encountered him when she became head of the customs authority in the Black Sea city of Odesa in 2015.

Firmanyuk said the allegations against him are overblown.

He admitted that businesses like his do frequently bribe customs officials with “tips” of $50 to $100, but said he drew the line at paying larger bribes to facilitate “industrial-scale smuggling.”

Marushevska told OCCRP in a phone interview that Firmanyuk was known to import large quantities of high-quality goods, then bribe customs officials to treat the imports as cheaper goods subject to lower taxes.

A similar scam was outlined in a 2016 inquiry made by former lawmaker Tetiana Ostrikova to Ukraine’s Fiscal service, although it did not name Firmanyuk or other smugglers. She was alerted that large volumes of high-end, name brand goods were being dramatically undervalued at customs as they entered Ukraine. Strollers that retailed for $600 were being declared as being worth just $30, and $10 sunglasses were valued at 15 cents.

Ostrikova, who was one of the members of a parliamentary subcommittee on customs, focused on a network of dozens of Ukrainian firms importing goods from at least four Panama-registered companies, but the inquiry did not determine who the people behind the companies were. The parliamentarian found that the network had received an “illegal green light to import large volumes of goods with significantly reduced customs value.”

Firmanyuk denied involvement in any such schemes. However, at least four different companies, once linked to him as a director or shareholder, have come under investigation in Ukraine for undervaluing goods. None of those investigations have resulted in charges against Firmanyuk.

“I have never been subject to criminal prosecution, not in any country in the world,” Firmanyuk said. He provided copies of letters from Ukraine’s prosecutor general, interior ministry, and customs, declaring that he was not under administrative or criminal investigation.

Max Nefyodov, a former head of the Ukraine’s customs authority, said Firmanyuk has so far been able to escape justice.

Nefyodov blamed smugglers for his dismissal from the customs authority in 2020 after less than a year, despite the popularity of his reforms during his previous post as deputy economy minister. The government said it fired Nefyodov because of a drop in customs revenue, but he pointed to the influence that Firmanyuk and other smugglers have over members of Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.

“Every time we had a meeting of the tax and customs committee in the Verkhovna Rada, these guys were there,” he said in an interview in a bustling downtown Kyiv cafe. “They have scores of members of the parliament in the Verkhovna Rada.”

Nefyodov accused smugglers of harassing him, and pointed to a protest he blamed Firmanyuk for organizing outside his office.

Firmanyuk told OCCRP that the protest was a spontaneous outburst of anger by workers at one of his warehouses, which was temporarily shut down after a customs inspection.

Nefyodov showed a text message Firmanyuk had sent him after the protest.

“That’s life,” said the message.

 
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Well, the world is changing.
Now they can just kill someone.
Almost that online.



It's scary because probably no one will do anything about it.

No one will answer for it.
 
Yes, I just saw that in Scott Ritter's Telegram channel :-( :


When Belorussian authorities pulled Roman Protasevich, a blogger who had served a combat tour in the neo-Nazi Azov battalion before working for Radio Free Europe’s Belarus channel out of Prague, off an airplane in May, 2021, on charges of inciting a political opposition (roughly the equivalent of sedition), the world went crazy, accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of trampling on free speech. Protasevich is alive and well, living under house arrest while awaiting trial.
When reports emerged that Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social media “influencer” who resided in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who published online content critical of the Ukrainian government, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by the Kraken Unit, part of the Azov battalion affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), the West is silent.
Free speech isn’t a one way street. To remain silent in the murder of Gonzo Lira is to be complicit in his death, and the deaths of all journalists who pursue the truth, even if it runs counter to the mainstream narrative. Critical thinking should not be a death sentence. Unfortunately for Gonzo Lira, it seems it was.

Unless that's not really Scott Ritter but a fake channel, but the claim is being repeated elsewhere.

If it's true, then that's really sad. We don't have many such heros around.
 
Well, the world is changing.
Now they can just kill someone.
Almost that online.



It's scary because probably no one will do anything about it.

No one will answer for it.
Yes, the criminals rule Ukraine and they make the law. Not only do they kill with impunity, they also torture. The worst humans are rising to the top in that country and the rest have to live in fear. The mask is off.

I worry the EU will import countless Nazis and the weapons that have been issued to them. They may become a problem in many countries once they decide to leave Ukraine.
 
And you're saying we don't mention such types on this forum?
No I didnt say that at all. Nor did I wish to imply that. This is the Ukraine thread and my query was the relation of the 'Khazarian Mafia' types to what was happening in Ukraine prior to the Russian intervention. And most probably the prolongation of the operations due to the profits they wish to make, and the excuse for 'needing to manufacture new weapons' thus disposing of all old ones being sent to Ukraine.
The Nazification, Azov Brigades, The different operations - and profits, and ethnic pathogens, of the many biolabs in operation there.
The possible history and connection of the Khazarson/Zionists - whatever they call themselves - with Ukraine.
The Portal/4DSTS/Elite connections and contact.
It appears to me to be a very important area for them, and quite strategic to their nefarious black operations. Especially with all the money they have pumped into it since 2014. And the ferocity and determination - they are throwing everything into the ring in order to try every trick to keep the country. Not to mention the realization (though that is normally a psychopath's achilles heel), that all their plans to date are failing on this hill. Though even that could have been manipulated by them due to their total economic failure to even try to curb astronomical debt/printing escalation.
Cui Bono? Follow the money.
 
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