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That's what I also think about both ladies. They endure a lot and from an outsider look, they do it in a noble and decent way.
Which Public Personalities Are 4D STO Candidates?
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Ruth
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My first reaction to the question was immediately: "None of them!" And the reasoning behind that was because, regardless of where a person is at, spiritually, if they are clueless about what's going on around them as well as 4D STS, then how can they navigate to a different place (especially if they don't know that place exists)? Then I thought, no, wait a minute, this could be more complicated .... "Why not all of them?"
But, if our environment is controlled by 4D STS, would they 'allow' a public personality to be free of their nominal control? My instinct is to say no.
This morning, I thought about George Orwell's "Animal Farm". Once the animals had rebelled against the farmer and declared themselves "all equal", they gradually started to declare one type of animal more important than the other. So who was the 'prison warden' in this story? The farmer, or the animals themselves? Could it be neither, could it be both, depending on what time?
To me, the concepts of density and orientation are different. You can be neither, you can be both, and you can be one and not the other. At least in theory. Practice is somewhat different. Even more so if reality is being obscured.
But, if our environment is controlled by 4D STS, would they 'allow' a public personality to be free of their nominal control? My instinct is to say no.
This morning, I thought about George Orwell's "Animal Farm". Once the animals had rebelled against the farmer and declared themselves "all equal", they gradually started to declare one type of animal more important than the other. So who was the 'prison warden' in this story? The farmer, or the animals themselves? Could it be neither, could it be both, depending on what time?
To me, the concepts of density and orientation are different. You can be neither, you can be both, and you can be one and not the other. At least in theory. Practice is somewhat different. Even more so if reality is being obscured.
I concur - that's a fairly good list of people of character who've been willing to speak truth to power, as well as those others, who have worked diligently to inspire and enlighten the rest of us.
Yes - what those two have endured is beyond belief - they are wonderful role models!
Nević Nenad
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STO? That would be no one.I think you might find that Joe did specify (in the thread title)... so... no dice..!
On the surface, this topic doesn't seem much more productive than trying to identify who is and isn't an OP. It's taking an incomplete picture of a person and making a few inferences against a fuzzy yardstick to arrive at a conclusion. Perhaps it's a clever way of identifying who the forum sees as role models and how that reflects in our opinion of what we consider to be STO-ness.
I'm sure there are a great many candidates, and I can see an argument for a lot of the names on this list, but I don't know if there are any strong candidates. Putin would seem to be the most obvious choice, but even he seems to suffer from a lack of knowledge about metaphysical stuff. You could lump Trump in with that, except that he's worse. If Ra is correct that it only takes 51% to make the grade, then you could throw in a few relatively ignorant and mixed up people, but if you're looking for 75-80% then the list gets much shorter.
I'm sure there are a great many candidates, and I can see an argument for a lot of the names on this list, but I don't know if there are any strong candidates. Putin would seem to be the most obvious choice, but even he seems to suffer from a lack of knowledge about metaphysical stuff. You could lump Trump in with that, except that he's worse. If Ra is correct that it only takes 51% to make the grade, then you could throw in a few relatively ignorant and mixed up people, but if you're looking for 75-80% then the list gets much shorter.
This is a tough one, and it could fall into simply making a list of people we may like for one reason or another. Putin would seem the best option in my view, mostly because he seems to really understand the value of a network and he has laid his life in the service of his fellow Russians, and people in the world who may resonate with his values, by that token perhaps people in his cabinet might be on that list.
As far as the west is concerned, it's tough, some maybe 4D candidates, but 4D STO? not so sure about that, I would think that maybe someone like Tucker Carlson who has shown a very obvious notion of the divine and seeks to make his mission to inform others, but... not sure he's STO, as his interest seem to be those of the US, so it may be more STS perhaps, but I could be wrong.
Tulsi Gabbard gives me more of a sincere notion of duty for humanity vibe.
So, it's really tough to determine whether we like someone because they align with our vision for their own self serving or ideological reasons, or if they've actually achieved them from working on self awareness.
As far as the west is concerned, it's tough, some maybe 4D candidates, but 4D STO? not so sure about that, I would think that maybe someone like Tucker Carlson who has shown a very obvious notion of the divine and seeks to make his mission to inform others, but... not sure he's STO, as his interest seem to be those of the US, so it may be more STS perhaps, but I could be wrong.
Tulsi Gabbard gives me more of a sincere notion of duty for humanity vibe.
So, it's really tough to determine whether we like someone because they align with our vision for their own self serving or ideological reasons, or if they've actually achieved them from working on self awareness.
Not just that it "only takes" that much, but that to achieve that much is as difficult as it is to achieve 95% STS, and that once one achieves it, you pretty much automatically "ascend" to 4D. So 75-80% would be pretty much a list of zero.
From the 29 June 1996 session the requisites of graduation seemed to be more focused on karmic, simple understandings, rather than certain scientific knowledge:
Given that, I think measuring someone's level of wisdom from the outside without knowing them extensively would be almost impossible. But then again there's the adage "by your fruits you shall know them."
Not sure what you mean by "ascend" to 4D, but you reminded me of this exchange from 14 January 1995:
My interpretation of the bolded portion is that it is only those who achieve 100% STO polarization who vanish instantaneously and move to 4D. I think this is because in achieving 100% STO polarity they completely exhaust the learning opportunities of the environment.
Contrasting this with other verified graduates of 3D to 4D STO such as Gurdjieff and Pierre, it seems like even if you do meet the 51% threshold for graduation to 4D STO, there are still learning opportunities in the environment for continuing to polarize more toward STO, and so these individuals remain as they are by all external appearances.
To me another interesting question is, in what types of units are these numbers measured? Percentages are by their nature unitless, but not the numbers from which the percentages are derived (at least, if the numbers are to mean anything about reality)...
And Putin first and foremost has Russian people's interests at heart.
Actually, being a patriot and caring about one's nation and its people, or having a sense of duty, could be considered to be in line with "serving self by serving others", even if the concept of patriotism or nationalism is not important from a grand/bird view/soul point of view. Probably intent, personal values and beliefs have more weight. And ability to overcome the "patriotic" programming if one's country is engaged in genocide or similar actions, and it doesn't correspond anymore to personal values and beliefs. Thinking with a hammer and all that. But it's just one example.We grow where we are seeded, so inadvertently our personal lessons, including "simple karmic understandings", are closely tied to the location where we currently live.
Exactly.
It has more to do with a personal "evolution" or "awakening", as the C's said here:
And yeah, "simple karmic understandings".
This makes recognition of who potentially could be a 4D candidate a tad more complicated. Not to mention recognition of who potentially could be a 4D STO candidate.
I was thinking about Mother Theresa and Princess Diana, and what the C's said about them. There was no discussion about them being 4D STO candidates, but about STO actions. Still, it's a food for thought.
About Mother Theresa the above raises questions. On one hand the C's said that her "saint behavior" was a political deception. And there is all kind of information available online that shows that she was a nasty fraud. On the other hand the C's said that "she waited" for the appropriate time to die in order for it to be noticed. And that this particular action was a gift and STO just like in Diana's case. But it wasn't that what she did was an STO act, but that it led to other thinking about STO. Ripple effect. What's up with that?
The thoughts I have regarding this that souls may do STO acts or acts that lead to STO ripple effect as part of their "journey". Maybe it's their lesson profile, maybe just another choice. This in itself doesn't mean that they are 4D candidates at this particular point in time. Based on the information from the C's, this happens in the specific point of personal evolution when someone is close to understanding the simple karmic understanding and seeing the unseen.
Seems like there could be a key distinction here. It's a process, a journey, and we are all at different points of our journey. As Laura said in one of the session on the topic: we are all 4D candidates, because we are all eventually getting there, including OPs.
Meaning, various acts that could be STO acts or lead to STO thoughts can't be a sign in itself of someone being a 4D candidate at this particular point in time, not to mention 4D STO candidate, osit. But yeah, maybe it could give us an idea if we also have information about person's life, his journey, choices, struggles, etc. Something that would help us form a deeper picture. Or if we could ask them what they feel.
There is also this about Arafat:
No mention of STO in the above, but "peace making and knowledge dispensing" does sound like STO actions to me. Being a "fifth density soul" indicates a mission, but I wonder if such actions would make someone a 4D candidate at this imediate point of time, or it could be a part of personal soul progression, a lesson, a choice, and the candidacy will come "later".
Because what the C's said about Arafat, him being a "peace maker and knowledge dispenser" does resemble what Trump said in this quote and everything he and his team have been doing recently:
And some more about STO. Just some ideas that may show what kind of potential inkling 4D STO candidate would have.
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Public personalities as in geopolitics and media? Since others did a good job at that already, I'd like to add 2, that are not quite public in this sort of way.
1) Steve Kroschel is a trainer who has worked with wolverines and wild animals all his life. He owns a wildlife sanctuary:
Kroschel Wildlife Center
Why STO candidate?
- He's been devoted to this mission all his life.
- He's been under attack, but it went up a notch in 2024: people trying to shut down his center.
www.chilkatvalleynews.com
The license lapsed on Aug. 5 – that was the last day he did tours of the facility for tourists. And now Kroschel said he’s not sure what he’s supposed to do to reopen. He plans to reapply for his USDA license, but right now with the loss of income from tours – he estimates he can make more $5,000 a day doing them, he’s questioning how he’ll continue to feed and care for his animals.
“[That] could [cost] anywhere from $5,000-$15,000 a month,” he said.
Right now, he believes he could make it through the winter, but after that he’s not sure what will happen with the loss of tourism income.
2) The other one is Evangelical stuff... but if his autobiography is genuine, it's quite breathtaking. The movie left me speechless: it shows the power of prayer. Every farmer in the region lost their crops except him, and he planted a very hard crop that was deemed too expensive to plant and that would not survive the drought...
Based on the inspiring true story of Angus Buchan's autobiographical book, Faith Like Potatoes was adapted for the big screen by award winning actor and director, Regardt van der Bergh, and weaves together the moving journey of a man who, like his potatoes, grows his faith, unseen until the harvest. A farmer moves his family to South Africa and suffers a series of seemingly insurmountable losses. Through divine intervention, he discovers the key to healing and learning to accept others lies in his unwavering belief in Jesus Christ.
1) Steve Kroschel is a trainer who has worked with wolverines and wild animals all his life. He owns a wildlife sanctuary:
Kroschel Wildlife Center
Why STO candidate?
- He's been devoted to this mission all his life.
- He's been under attack, but it went up a notch in 2024: people trying to shut down his center.
Kroschel loses USDA license, wildlife center closes to the public - Chilkat Valley News
The ripple effect of the loss of his tour is likely to be felt across the tourism industry in Haines, said the borough's tourism director.
www.chilkatvalleynews.com
The license lapsed on Aug. 5 – that was the last day he did tours of the facility for tourists. And now Kroschel said he’s not sure what he’s supposed to do to reopen. He plans to reapply for his USDA license, but right now with the loss of income from tours – he estimates he can make more $5,000 a day doing them, he’s questioning how he’ll continue to feed and care for his animals.
“[That] could [cost] anywhere from $5,000-$15,000 a month,” he said.
Right now, he believes he could make it through the winter, but after that he’s not sure what will happen with the loss of tourism income.
2) The other one is Evangelical stuff... but if his autobiography is genuine, it's quite breathtaking. The movie left me speechless: it shows the power of prayer. Every farmer in the region lost their crops except him, and he planted a very hard crop that was deemed too expensive to plant and that would not survive the drought...
Based on the inspiring true story of Angus Buchan's autobiographical book, Faith Like Potatoes was adapted for the big screen by award winning actor and director, Regardt van der Bergh, and weaves together the moving journey of a man who, like his potatoes, grows his faith, unseen until the harvest. A farmer moves his family to South Africa and suffers a series of seemingly insurmountable losses. Through divine intervention, he discovers the key to healing and learning to accept others lies in his unwavering belief in Jesus Christ.
Corvus
Dagobah Resident
I asked one psychic with 35 years of experience for some personal counsels and questions and she is not bad, got many things right, helped a lot, but as always future is tricky depending on many things, asked her about parents and she said there is no more worry and suffering for them, found a rest, more universal ones will we fight on 4D with 4D STS and she said yes, and when asked if I was ever abducted she said she does not feel it energeticaly and when asked was I was ever on 4D in past life she said yes and that here is the mission and symptom of not fiting in is a sure sign, but neverthless I took it all with a grain of salt with all of that, but when I see todays people most are truly lost to do the basic things, and that selfishness of most that enamores them and is very intensive in these days was always hard for me to phantom.
Ditto, but maybe I'll think of someone later.Anybody I can think of has already been mentioned.
Oh hey, Russell Brand?
Debra
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If advancement to 4th Density is based on “Karmic and s.i.m.p.l.e. Understandings” , and specifically as 4th Density STO, then I nominate these two!
(For what it’s worth, I interpret those two requirements to be learned in 3rd Density, as meaning that we all have “individually unique lessons”, different lanes/levels, and degrees of intensity.)
That message from the C’s changed my view on human beings, completely.
So maybe, some of us are just here like these two, making movies that matter, and also doing the best they can, giving and helping others, when they can?
Standing true to their morals and simple understandings.
Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey
(For what it’s worth, I interpret those two requirements to be learned in 3rd Density, as meaning that we all have “individually unique lessons”, different lanes/levels, and degrees of intensity.)
That message from the C’s changed my view on human beings, completely.
So maybe, some of us are just here like these two, making movies that matter, and also doing the best they can, giving and helping others, when they can?
Standing true to their morals and simple understandings.
Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey
Wandering Star
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They look a little drunk in the photo.
