Which Public Personalities Are 4D STO Candidates?

Not sure what you mean by "ascend" to 4D, but you reminded me of this exchange from 14 January 1995:
That's what I meant by "ascend." Thanks for finding the excerpt. I now retract my previous statement. :whistle: I conflated what Ra said and what the C's said. I thought it was Ra that said 51% would basically make you disappear into 4D, but in fact they said 51% is only what was necessary to be "harvested" at the end of the cycle. So Neil was correct.
My interpretation of the bolded portion is that it is only those who achieve 100% STO polarization who vanish instantaneously and move to 4D. I think this is because in achieving 100% STO polarity they completely exhaust the learning opportunities of the environment.

Contrasting this with other verified graduates of 3D to 4D STO such as Gurdjieff and Pierre, it seems like even if you do meet the 51% threshold for graduation to 4D STO, there are still learning opportunities in the environment for continuing to polarize more toward STO, and so these individuals remain as they are by all external appearances.
Sounds good to me.
 
No mention of STO in the above, but "peace making and knowledge dispensing" does sound like STO actions to me. Being a "fifth density soul" indicates a mission, but I wonder if such actions would make someone a 4D candidate at this imediate point of time, or it could be a part of personal soul progression, a lesson, a choice, and the candidacy will come "later".
Yes, and then there's what the C's said to PoB in one of the latest sessions, one's next life could be in a time prior to this one historically. Which really makes me realize that the lessons one truly needs to pick up on are very personal and particular in order to progress, it may not be truly related to The Wave at all. Maybe the next thing over for someone might be a simple life as a farmer of old rather than a hyper connected internet obsessed life.
 
DESMOND DOSS

In Mel Gibson's movie "Hacksaw Ridge" (a true story recommended on the forum) Doss is a conscientious objector who enlists in the army in WWII. He refuses to carry a gun and take another life. This is not a typical war movie, even though it depicts the horrors of war. It is mostly a story of a man who had reverence for life and a believe in God, DCM, higher power and acted in STO more than is imaginable.

In the battle of Okinawa, when his unit had to retreat from an overwhelming Japanese assault, he stayed behind and rescued 75 of his wounded fellow soldiers, and a few Japanese soldiers. Many of his unit were rescued from behind enemy lines.

I highly recommend watching it, not as a war movie but as a story of life and love.
 
I like and agree with a lot of the names being speculated upon here.

My suggestions may be a little obscure, but the lyrics in the music by Kishi Bashi and Bill Callahan give me the impression that these two get that all there is is lessons, and they've (so far) learned theirs well.

Hopefully this isn't out of place since there IS a thread for music links and such, but I just wanted to share this Bill Callahan song that won't get out of my head.

The line that sticks out to me is, "Sycamore got to grown down to grow up."

 
DESMOND DOSS

In Mel Gibson's movie "Hacksaw Ridge" (a true story recommended on the forum) Doss is a conscientious objector who enlists in the army in WWII. He refuses to carry a gun and take another life. This is not a typical war movie, even though it depicts the horrors of war. It is mostly a story of a man who had reverence for life and a believe in God, DCM, higher power and acted in STO more than is imaginable.

In the battle of Okinawa, when his unit had to retreat from an overwhelming Japanese assault, he stayed behind and rescued 75 of his wounded fellow soldiers, and a few Japanese soldiers. Many of his unit were rescued from behind enemy lines.

I highly recommend watching it, not as a war movie but as a story of life and love.
Indeed, it was a film (Hacksaw Ridge - produced by Mel Gibson) that really touched me, and the biography of the man, Desmond Doss in the film, who gave his heart and soul to saving his fellow countrymen. Because of his heroic deeds, he received several medals, the last of which was the Medal of Honor, the highest military award in the United States.

What's amazing, and what I've just learned in researching information about the man, Desmond Doss, is that he was a conscientious objector and a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Following the story of this man who had faith in God and Jesus, according to his religion, then there was also a documentary about his heroic deeds, which is called “The Conscientious Objector”. Here's a trailer:
And if you'd like to see the full report, you can view it on this site: Watch Plex

And here's another video in which Desmond Doss recounts his feat and the faith he had on the day he saved 75 men at the risk of his own life.

So, could a conscientious objector, be a criterion of a person with an STO side.🤔

Extract from a conscientious objector:
A conscientious objector is an"individual who has claimed the right to refuse to performmilitary service" on the grounds of freedom of conscience or religion. The term has also been extended to objecting to working for the military–industrial complex due to a crisis of conscience. In some countries, conscientious objectors are assigned to analternative civilian service as a substitute for conscription or military service.
Here's an excerpt from a conscientious objector on the French Wikipedia, which I found a little more detailed. Translated into English:
Conscientious objection is a refusal to perform certain acts required by an authority when they are deemed to contradict intimate convictions of a religious, philosophical, political, ideological or sentimental nature. Such an objection, whether carefully considered or more spontaneous, expresses a difficulty in complying with a situation, or even a reproach or accusation, and can be an illegal act giving rise to prosecution and criminal punishment. Conscientious objection is a universal aspect of freedom of conscience, part of a historic effort by humanity to better circumscribe the power of civil and religious authorities, and even economic powers. It can be individual or collective if, as stated in the seminar on “Freedom of Conscience” organized by the General Secretariat of the Council of Europe, “it involves a group of individuals wishing to assert their position by clearly underlining the existence of a common attitude”.

Effectivement c'était un film (Tu ne tueras point - réalisé par Mel Gibson) qui m'a beaucoup ému et la biographie de l'homme, Desmond Doss dans le film, qui s'est donné corps et âme a sauvé ses compatriotes. Dû à ses actes héroïques, il a reçu plusieurs médailles et la dernière qui lui a été remise était la médaille d'honneur soit la plus haute distinction militaire des États-Unis.

Ce qui est étonnant et que je viens d'apprendre en recherchant les informations sur l'homme, Desmond Doss, c'est qu'il était un objecteur de conscience et qu'il faisait partie de l'Église adventiste du septième jour.

Suite à l'histoire de cet homme qui avait foi en Dieu et Jésus, selon sa religion, alors il y a aussi eu un documentaire sur ses actes héroïques, qui s'appelle "The Conscientious Objector". En voici une bande-annonce:

Et voici une autre vidéo où Desmond Doss raconte son exploit et la foi qu'il avait lors de cette journée où il a sauvé 75 hommes au péril de sa vie.
Et si certain serait intéressé de voir le reportage au complet, vous pouvez le visionner sur ce site: Watch Plex

Donc, est-ce qu'un objecteur de conscience, pourrait-être un critère d'une personne ayant un côté STO. 🤔

Extrait d'un objecteur de conscience:
L'objection de conscience est un refus d'accomplir certains actes requis par une autorité lorsqu'ils sont jugés en contradiction avec des convictions intimes de nature religieuse, philosophique, politique, idéologique ou sentimentale. Une telle objection, mûrement réfléchie ou plus spontanée, exprime une difficulté de se conformer à une situation, voire un reproche ou une accusation, et peut être un acte illégal occasionnant des poursuites et des châtiments pénaux. L'objection de conscience est un aspect universel de la liberté de conscience, qui s'inscrit dans un effort historique de l'humanité pour mieux circonscrire le pouvoir des autorités civiles et religieuses, et même des pouvoirs économiques. Elle peut être individuelle ou collective si, comme le précise le séminaire sur la « Liberté de conscience » organisé par le secrétariat général du Conseil de l'Europe, « elle engage un groupe d'individus souhaitant affirmer leur position en soulignant nettement l’existence d’une attitude commune ».
 
There's some good names in this thread, thanks for sharing everyone. There are a lot I wasn't aware of.

I don't think he's been mentioned yet but Ian Carroll has my vote. I think he started out on tiktok but I first found him on X sharing which products are from large corporations and pointing out products from smaller businesses. He's learned quite a lot in a small time too from what he presents on his X posts.

 
Regarding graduation:

December 12, 1995

A: When you see the futility of the limitations of 3rd density life, it means you are ready to graduate. Notice those who wallow in it.

Q:
(L) Some people obviously wallow in extreme materiality. And there seems to be another kind that is more subtle, which has to do with saying that you want to grow and become enlightened, and yet such a person is unable to pierce the veil of their own illusions about how to become enlightened, and this illusion is the wallowing...

A: Wallowing takes many forms.

Q: (L) Among the things I have noticed is the type of person who says: "This is my LAST life! Swami So-and-so told me!" And they are wallowing in the enjoyment of the adulation they receive from their followers who believe that sort of thing can be known.

A: Sometimes, but avoid stereotyping, because sometimes they are correct!!!

Q: (L) Okay. I am not trying to stereotype.

A: More often, the sign is someone who does not feel alienated by the obvious traps and limitations of 3rd density.

Q:
(L) Well, that says a lot.
Not sure if I understand the second highlighted statement correctly. When someone "does not feel alienated by the obvious traps and limitations of 3rd density", that is a sign that the person is ready to graduate?

Does this mean feeling no longer bothered by what the 3D experience has to offer (especially on a 3D STS world)? Something like stoicism or equanimity, as in neither wallowing in materiality nor having a feeling of alienation or rejection towards it?
 
The license lapsed on Aug. 5 – that was the last day he did tours of the facility for tourists. And now Kroschel said he’s not sure what he’s supposed to do to reopen. He plans to reapply for his USDA license, but right now with the loss of income from tours – he estimates he can make more $5,000 a day doing them, he’s questioning how he’ll continue to feed and care for his animals.
“[That] could [cost] anywhere from $5,000-$15,000 a month,” he said.
Right now, he believes he could make it through the winter, but after that he’s not sure what will happen with the loss of tourism income.
Thanks for sharing!
Regarding this post FYI, I was very happy to see on his website kroschelfilms.com

UPDATE : January 20th, 2025 :

Steve Kroschel has had his USDA License Reinstated following Federal Hearing on January 17th, 2025!


Perhaps a precursor / connected to the ✨ 'Trump effect' ✨

I also noticed a Russian connection with this guy:
a short series of footage (variety of 1-5 mins) covering his 72 hour trip to Russia
he also talks about how people in the US have been lied to about Russia.

https://www.kroschelfilms.com/chasing-the-phantom-for-world-peace/
 
My 2x cents , wallowing in this case could be interpreted in either a negative or positive affirmation , but still a prison in either case.The quoted transcripts , seem to allude to no emotional or otherwise struggle with it in the later statement.
 
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I understood the opposite. That 2nd statement seems to apply to "those who wallow in it."
Yes, that seems to make more sense. The meaning depends on what sign the C's are talking about:

A: More often, the sign is someone who does not feel alienated by the obvious traps and limitations of 3rd density.

In the context of what was said right before this, they talked about both those who graduate and those who wallow in materiality. But "the sign" does seem to refer to those who wallow and as such do not feel alienated.
 
Does this mean feeling no longer bothered by what the 3D experience has to offer (especially on a 3D STS world)? Something like stoicism or equanimity, as in neither wallowing in materiality nor having a feeling of alienation or rejection towards it?
Perhaps, approaching one’s life, and/or having attained, from a level of neutrality, non-attachment, of accepting day to day events- whether in one’s own life or on the “global” stage - maintaining an awareness of the witness. All whilst maintaining vigilance (and strategic enclosure?), “helping the little old lady across the street”, and watching the sunset. Accepting one’s place in the world while thinking cosmic thoughts. Realizing that the glove one has temporarily slipped one’s hand in to eventually gets threadbare. Just an idea…
 

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