Session 25 January 2025

Ok, Cass says it's "difficult" but they don't say it's "impossible" without hypnosis or with hypnosis alone.
I was thinking the same thing. They said it's "very difficult to reach those levels of the subconscious mind", but indeed it's not impossible, which is a hopeful message IMO. Or maybe we just have to be content when we can reach little bits of the subconscious mind or at least understand why we react in a certain way and subsequently, learn new behaviour/beliefs?
Taking into account that not everyone can have a hypnotherapist around the corner, is it possible that something can work similar to the liberating effect of hypnosis but in a natural way through experiences? Is it something that could only apply to a person with a certain degree of knowledge according to the level they are at and therefore, experience circumstances that can help that release of programming from an early age "by themselves"?
I wouldn't recommend doing it just by ourselves. I have found that only with the help of a professional I can muster the courage to go to these places that are painful and terrifying. Knowing that I can discuss my past with a professional and have their support makes all the difference. Having said that, most of the work I do on myself takes place in between sessions when bits and pieces of (body) memories come up or when I can make connections between my past and the way I react. Perhaps it also helps when we see it as being on a quest to get to know ourselves and our programming better? I always feel very content when I have found another piece of the puzzle. HTH.
 
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The last thing that stands out is the strange behaviour of the person that they went to the restaurant to meet. His taking phone calls while meeting with them, and then going and changing his shirt. I'm wondering if this person was some sort of vector - maybe an EM vector. The C's said in the past that people can be EM vectors, and that in order for the lizards to produce an MIB projection, and EM field must be artificially induced as apart of the process. I'm also wondering if there was something significant about the guy's weird behaviour, because it is known that people acting in bizarre and unexpected ways can have a hypnotic effect on those interacting with them. The unexpected behaviour is disorientating and opens one up to, and increases, suggestibility.
Here's the transcript from Jay and Hunter podcast interview to Laura, where they refer to this "variation of men in black"

Hunter: I think we, well, to speak to the men in black thing, did we ever tell you the story that we think was men in black-esque? It was actually before we visited you in the summer last year. It was like two weeks before we came to France. Did we ever tell you about that? I can't remember.

Laura: No

Jay: You never told her.

Hunter: So I'll just tell it, because I wouldn't say it was like a Dan Aykroyd-esque experience. It's a quick story.

Jay and I and another one of our business partners were together, and we were meeting a potential business partner that we are business partners with now. I think it was literally like a week or two before we came to France. And we were all in Tampa, Florida. And we go to this like very chique, like granola kind of hippie restaurant, supposed to have like healthy food and real clean and everything. And it's like three o'clock on a Wednesday afternoon. So no one's there.

There's maybe one or two people in the restaurant. We just sit down and we're kind of talking about some business stuff. And probably halfway through, the guy that we were meeting with started acting like he was like on a phone call while he was talking to us in his headphones. He was like, hey, I'm sorry, I'm busy. And all of a sudden these, I kid you not, two guys walk in and they literally looked like they were out of a motorcycle gang - they're really heavyset.

Jay: It was bizarre.

Hunter: They looked like they were out of like Hell's Angels or something. But one of the guys, I can't really remember the face of one of the guys, but he was, he had like no neck and he had like slicked back, jet black hair that looked like super, super white.

Jay: Yeah, and he was super white faced.

Hunter: He was like really pale. And he had no neck and he kind of walked around like this. It was just very bizarre looking, but I didn't think anything of it. I was like, oh, just people coming into the restaurant to eat. But they went to the corner of the restaurant and they sat down and I remembered because my chair was like facing the corner and they would just, they kind of stared at us.

Jay: They were staring at us, sucking our energy out.

Hunter: And you know, when someone's staring at you, you don't like, you kind of just like, okay, whatever. And then, but they kept doing it. And then the guy that we were meeting with went in the bathroom and changed his shirt or something. We're like, what does this guy do? The guy that we were with, and you know, he was busy. He was trying to take phone calls and talk to us at the same time. And we're like, oh man, you're okay. You know, and he went in the bathroom and like changed his shirt - and we're like, why did he just change his shirt? We're like in a restaurant. And we're like, maybe he's just, you know having a bad day or whatever. And anyway, these guys, they kind of sit there and stare at us the whole time.

And again, they have like, they're not, they're not people that you'd see in that restaurant, but hey, you know, like anyone can go wherever. But they looked like they were in a biker gang, but they just, their shapes didn't look right. And they ambulated very weird. So when they were walking, it was kind of like this like side to sidewalk, almost like they didn't have an erect spine, you know, but it wasn't just that they were really fat. I don't know. They're almost like a jello person, if that makes sense.

But during this time, you know, we're talking about business stuff and we're like, okay. I just didn't think anything of it. And then we go outside and they also go outside the exact same time as us. It's like, that's weird. These people came in and we were there for probably like an hour. Cause we were just, you know, eating. We go outside this exact same time and they just get in this like really big F-350 jacked up truck and then go away. And then when we were talking about it after, we were like, did you notice that? When they pulled out, they like, the truck turned, but it was like where there wasn't a turnout, if that makes sense?

Jay: There was no way to get out and their truck just disappeared.

Hunter: And it just disappeared. And so it was kind of one of those things when we talked about it later, it was very hazy to us. So like, I'm reporting it back the best of my memory, but I usually don't have like hazy memories. I remember stuff even when I was a child, like very fresh, but it was just weird. And we didn't at the time, but we talked after realizing how bizarre it was because we kind of all felt we were in a haze in the restaurant.

Jay: We were completely drained. Remember on the ride home? So a couple other things you left off that were insane was that we didn't realize until later is that I lost my ATM card and Bobby lost his license. And Laura, as the three of us were driving back to my home, the three of us literally were like, “I'm so tired”. Like all three of us were like, I feel like we need to just pull over and take a nap.

And we were super energized and had a really productive discussion while we were at this restaurant. But all three of us felt that, but as Hunter saying, we're talking about it now as if we knew what was going on, but we had no idea at the time. It was something that we thought about later because when we were all back home talking about how I lost my ATM card, the other guy who was potentially our business partner lost his license, which he never recovered.

Hunter: He never found his license either and he didn't take it out while he was there or anything - he didn't take it out at all.

Jay: It was the most insane weird thing, but we were sitting there and then all of us just like, like it almost as if it was implanted in our minds. We started talking about the guys and we're like, "weren't they the most bizarre"? Like what really happened? But the thing that freaked me out because I was the one driving and when we tried to leave the parking lot, we let them go because they backed out in front of us, still of course, staring at us. And then they went and as Hunter said, they had this giant jacked up truck. They went straight. And then we started talking amongst ourselves and you know, it was kind of like, okay, I'm gonna let this guy go and then I'll go - and so I went out to follow him but when I went to follow him, we realized because we were in a place that we had never been before in St. Petersburg. We're like, there's no exit.

And then all three of us are like, where did that truck go? Like what? But then we were just kind of like, oh, we must've just lost track of it or whatever. But I'm serious. Like all three of us were in a serious haze. We had our energy drained, which obviously as you know, is what happens when you deal with these beings.


[different story, but still about Men in Black, Jay continues immediately after one above]:
Jay:
Something else I was gonna tell you that, cause you brought it up about Bender. There's a documentary on Netflix right now. And when you or Hunter start talking again, I'll research and pull it up. But it's in the top like 15 shows on Netflix right now. It's a documentary. I forget what it's called. I think it's “something phenomenon”, but they interview a guy who was, who witnessed an anomalous triangle in the UK. And it's like 20 plus years ago.

And it wasn't a guy, it was two cooks. And they were working in this restaurant and they had taken their time off. It was a break or whatever. They went out into the field where they observed this. And it was, this is a very known phenomenon that happened like over 20 years ago, but they obviously reopened the investigation for this documentary. But then they interviewed a guy who worked with the two. He said they were visited by men in black. And as soon as the men in black visited them, that that was it. They were never seen from again.

That they literally never showed back up at the restaurant. And he said that all the people that worked in the kitchen, cause they were all like a family, were freaked out about it because they had never ever heard from again. That their house, they were basically just reported as missing persons. And I'll find out what that documentary is so you guys can all watch it. But they interviewed the guy who was friends of them. And it was bizarre because as he said, the men in black, I was like, well, here we go again. It's another example. But he also mentioned that when they came to the restaurant to interview the two cooks that were actually out there that actually witnessed this anomalous UFO or UAP, that everyone in the restaurant felt drained after. And that they felt like they had like lost life force energy.

And this guy was not like one of us. He was completely just a normal person. He didn't understand any of this kind of stuff, but his message - and so it just triggered me instantly. I was like, well, here's another example of what men in black do when they show up.

Laura: Well, the draining of energy seems to be one really common factor. It's like I said, they're parasites. And I think, who was it? Maybe it was Colin Wilson. I'm not sure. I don't want to misattribute it. But there was a book called The Mind Parasites. And it was one of the closest things to the dynamic of the hyperdimensional beings.... And it was just like a really bizarre story. But, as I look at the world today, it's like this sort of thing is rampant. You know, strange. I mean, there've been some videos shown on X of strange people in the US Congress, like somebody in the background. Just really strange.

And then, of course, before that, there've been many, many videos of people behaving in these really odd ways with those. And the story of the woman on the airplane who said that she got off the airplane because the guy was not human [not real]. This kind of stuff, it goes on constantly, continuously. And, you know, for years it was all damped down and, you know, covered over, shoved under the rug, because it just, it wasn't acceptable. It's like, Coulthart says, you know, when you're in the news business, you know that, you know, this sort of stuff is treated with complete disdain.
 
Or maybe we just have to be content when we can reach little bits of the subconscious mind or at least understand why we react in a certain way and subsequently, learn new behaviour/beliefs?

I often think that perhaps that is the "price to pay" for gaining all this prior knowledge before the experience. This work has saved us many years of reading and discovery. It is therefore understandable that the effort must be much greater to implement this work. I don't say this as something severe or a punishment, I say it as a "condition" due to learning in this shortwave cycle.


I wouldn't recommend doing it just by ourselves. I have found that only with the help of a professional I can muster the courage to go to these places that are painful and terrifying.
Having said that, most of the work I do on myself takes place in between sessions when bits and pieces of (body) memories come up or when I can make connections between my past and the way I react. Perhaps it also helps when we see it as being on a quest to get to know ourselves and our programming better?

Yes, there is a point where we reach a dead end individually and that is where networking becomes very important because of the diverse knowledge that each one has and can contribute to the blind spots of others to help in a certain experience. We only get to a certain point on the road "alone".

What has been the most difficult thing for you? Not having courage? Did you know what those subconscious parts connecting your past experiences and reactions could be, but it was difficult to face them?

I have not had such a traumatic experience as to need that level of professional help, so I don't understand it. But I have observed that where some collapse, others remain firm in similar experiences, that is why I doubt what would really be difficult. But that does not mean that I do not have them, sometimes I think that possibly those shock absorbers or memories of the body have taken new forms to become more imperceptible beneath my "personality."

It reminds me of what Gurdjieff says about how the more one tries to wake up, the mechanical forces will work even harder to keep man asleep, or something like that.

So I try to understand or be aware of when those blocking responses come into action over and above what I decide to do, to see that function that goes against myself, when the machine is using some subconscious backup emotion that I don't remember to fulfill its programming function and then I can do what you're saying about implementing other behaviors that can help keep me less sleepy, at least. Take into account the level of emotional activity.

I always feel very content when I have found another piece of the puzzle.

Without a doubt it is. A few days ago while I was speaking honestly at a work meeting, where I wanted to leave my specific points, my body began to tremble abruptly, like a nervous breakdown, it was strange because it was nothing different from what I had not faced before. Maybe it was the particular people who activated the program of being submissive and silent, but I didn't do it, I took a deep breath and continued with what I had to say against that automated response of my body and I felt very good when I finished. I felt like a great weight was lifted off my shoulders and as I spoke, I was more confident in what I was saying, in my gestures, in the clarity with which I spoke so as not to leave interpretations up in the air on the part of those listening, it was liberating.

I remembered that as a child I couldn't express what I felt or thought, only adults were right about everything and emotions were repressed. So it was interesting to feel that uncomfortable feeling again.
 
This seems to contradict this response:


I'm wondering, what would be the point of transporting a person (or her soul) via such lift from 3D to 5D?
I had this idea a few weeks ago that when/if the aliens show up they might offer things like visiting deceased loved ones to sway a persons’ opinion of if they are good aliens or not.
May be they take people to 5D to implant screen memories and things as such. 5D is, from my understanding, whatever we dream it to be.
 
I had this idea a few weeks ago that when/if the aliens show up they might offer things like visiting deceased loved ones to sway a persons’ opinion of if they are good aliens or not.
May be they take people to 5D to implant screen memories and things as such
. 5D is, from my understanding, whatever we dream it to be.
An interesting idea - showing 'signs and wonders' has probably been a well used tactic, especially for getting those fundies onside.
As for taking souls to 5D for the purpose of implanting screen memories, is there a reason why 5D might be preferrable to 4D for that purpose?
Another quick question: would the individual soul have to have given permission (on some level) for this to even occur?
 
Transitioning to 5d is unbroken by 4th sts , transcripts are somewhat unclear , but for the latter , this is more than likely bound by FRV , for such to even be possible. afaik/imo

Q: (L) Now, the question has arisen that, since other dimensional beings have the ability to kidnap or abduct or forcibly extract souls, do they also have the capability of manipulating our soul essences after they have left our bodies during the transition to fifth density?

A: Not correct.



A: No, you see when your physical body expires, and you enter fifth density, this is done one way and one way only: by passing through a conduit which opens specifically for the purpose of transference from third density to fifth density. Now, something often referred to in your terminology as a silver thread, is like a closed line which opens when this conduit is needed. That's rather awkward, but it's the only way to describe it. So that when the physical body terminates, this line is opened forming a conduit through which the soul passes naturally. However, part of the existence of this conduit is that it is absolutely impenetrable by any force from any density level. Therefore, souls in the process of transferring from third density to fifth density are not in any way able to be molested or tampered with. And it should be mentioned here, also, that the soul imprint of the physical body always has a connection to fifth density and that is through the so-called "silver thread." That always exists as the third density soul's doorway to fifth density. It can be opened at a moment's notice whenever needed. When it is opened it becomes a conduit. Through that conduit the soul passes. And it is not subject to interference by anything. This is not a deliberate construction, it is merely the natural process similar to what could be described as the protection mechanisms existing on second level density for creatures which are not capable of protecting themselves through their own conscious thought processes. For example, your turtle is contained within a shell that protects it. That shell is impenetrable by any natural forces, therefore nothing that is natural can harm that turtle. However, the same can exist for any creature when it is connected by the silver thread to fifth density. Once it is passing through the conduit produced by the opening of the silver thread, then, of course, it cannot be tampered with. Do you understand?
 
An interesting idea - showing 'signs and wonders' has probably been a well used tactic, especially for getting those fundies onside.
As for taking souls to 5D for the purpose of implanting screen memories, is there a reason why 5D might be preferrable to 4D for that purpose?
Another quick question: would the individual soul have to have given permission (on some level) for this to even occur?
I don’t really know what the difference between 4 and 5D would be in the regard of implanting memories. 5D seems more like ‘create your own reality’ with your thoughts and desires so what I was thinking is if someone was to believe in a memory and experience it as it were a replica of 3D then 5D would be the place to do that, I think I have a way better concept of 5D than 4D because I don’t even have an idea of how this would work in 4D, it just seems like such a mystery to me when I try to imagine it.

I doubt permission needs to be granted on an individual experience when it comes to what our 4D sts ‘servants’ (yeah, I just called them servants, coz who better to serve us to to wake us from our slumber and make us want to work to get out of this maze).
I think when we fell into the trap of physicality by choosing the experience for the self, that in a sense was giving permission. But now that we are aware and becoming more aware then we get to make more conscious choices- so I suppose if we refuse then there’s not much that they can do but try to influence us in other more sneaky and covert ways.
 
I don’t really know what the difference between 4 and 5D would be in the regard of implanting memories. 5D seems more like ‘create your own reality’ with your thoughts and desires so what I was thinking is if someone was to believe in a memory and experience it as it were a replica of 3D then 5D would be the place to do that, I think I have a way better concept of 5D than 4D because I don’t even have an idea of how this would work in 4D, it just seems like such a mystery to me when I try to imagine it.

I doubt permission needs to be granted on an individual experience when it comes to what our 4D sts ‘servants’ (yeah, I just called them servants, coz who better to serve us to to wake us from our slumber and make us want to work to get out of this maze).
I think when we fell into the trap of physicality by choosing the experience for the self, that in a sense was giving permission. But now that we are aware and becoming more aware then we get to make more conscious choices- so I suppose if we refuse then there’s not much that they can do but try to influence us in other more sneaky and covert ways.

Session 26 November 1994 :

Q: (T) These implants are what they use to control my emotions and amplify them so that they can feed off of them?

A: Not control, influence.

Q: (T) No, not to control; influence. But when, say, I get angry, then I'm angry for a short time but then I'm angry for a long time because they have used this technology to amplify and extend this; is this what they do?

A: Yes. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.

Q: (T) Can I feed back through their equipment what I choose?

A: Not necessary.

Q: (T) In other words, if I get angry and realize that I am being more angry than I should be, and I change that to something positive, and feed that back to them while they have their amplifiers wide open, will that affect them? Sour their milk, so to speak?

A: Now you are "fighting fire with fire."

Q: (T) Well, is that something that we are supposed to be doing?

A: Open. But what does phrase imply?

Q: (L) If you feed it back at them, in other words, what they are saying is, I think, when you feel yourself getting angry, the only way to stop the whole thing is to stop being angry and be happy or at peace. When you are happy and at peace there is not in you the desire to send anything back.

A: Bingo.

Q: (J) Redirect the energy into something positive. (F) You can't fight fire with fire. (LM) Well, actually you can in reality. (T) What I am getting at is, is it possible to do that, to change the emotional state to something more positive than what they are expecting and feed that back to them. Is that a possibility?

A: Why.

Q: (T) Just to give them a taste of their own for a change. (J) Do you want to antagonize them? You are still feeding them your energy. (L) The only change you could really have would be the opposite emotion which would be peace and if you are truly feeling peace...

A: 4th density STSers feed off negative energy.
 
It has occurred to me that the C's say that STS is confined to fifth density, meaning they cannot relate to other souls.

So the relationship with that special fifth density (for us, hell) can be different than for souls connected to the seventh density.

Maybe with technology they can visit their "heaven."

An idea I just had.
 
Session 26 November 1994 :

Q: (T) These implants are what they use to control my emotions and amplify them so that they can feed off of them?

A: Not control, influence.

Q: (T) No, not to control; influence. But when, say, I get angry, then I'm angry for a short time but then I'm angry for a long time because they have used this technology to amplify and extend this; is this what they do?

A: Yes. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.

Q: (T) Can I feed back through their equipment what I choose?

A: Not necessary.

Q: (T) In other words, if I get angry and realize that I am being more angry than I should be, and I change that to something positive, and feed that back to them while they have their amplifiers wide open, will that affect them? Sour their milk, so to speak?

A: Now you are "fighting fire with fire."

Q: (T) Well, is that something that we are supposed to be doing?

A: Open. But what does phrase imply?

Q: (L) If you feed it back at them, in other words, what they are saying is, I think, when you feel yourself getting angry, the only way to stop the whole thing is to stop being angry and be happy or at peace. When you are happy and at peace there is not in you the desire to send anything back.

A: Bingo.

Q: (J) Redirect the energy into something positive. (F) You can't fight fire with fire. (LM) Well, actually you can in reality. (T) What I am getting at is, is it possible to do that, to change the emotional state to something more positive than what they are expecting and feed that back to them. Is that a possibility?

A: Why.

Q: (T) Just to give them a taste of their own for a change. (J) Do you want to antagonize them? You are still feeding them your energy. (L) The only change you could really have would be the opposite emotion which would be peace and if you are truly feeling peace...

A: 4th density STSers feed off negative energy.
Implants from what I have read are monitors and can be used to influence emotions as per above session. I don’t recall anywhere it being said that they can control memories or actions
 
I don’t really know what the difference between 4 and 5D would be in the regard of implanting memories. 5D seems more like ‘create your own reality’ with your thoughts and desires so what I was thinking is if someone was to believe in a memory and experience it as it were a replica of 3D then 5D would be the place to do that, I think I have a way better concept of 5D than 4D because I don’t even have an idea of how this would work in 4D, it just seems like such a mystery to me when I try to imagine it.

For me it is the other way around.
As far as I understand, in 5D the Soul contemplates the experiences lived when it was incarnated, reflects on all this, understands, heals its wounds, and when it is ready it can decide to incarnate again, according to its free will.
The fact that when one is there, one can live in a pleasant environment, such as the one we would like to live in, has to do with the fact that we need appropriate conditions for healing. And it has nothing to do with the search for satisfaction.

Instead, 4D is an area or place that is more conducive to the kind of activities you mention. As well as the manifestation of our wishful thinking, i.e., what I think you mean by “create your own reality”, and especially when the latter is inclined to self-service, it is the ideal environment for the manipulation of new Souls there, by entities who have long been 4D STS. In fact, it is to the 4D environment that they take those they abduct or abduct from 3D, to give them some treatment and then return them to 3D.

Fluffy, I don't mean to clear up the mystery, that's simply how I understand it for now.

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Q: (T) No, not to control; influence. But when, say, I get angry, then I'm angry for a short time but then I'm angry for a long time because they have used this technology to amplify and extend this; is this what they do?
Q: (L) If you feed it back at them, in other words, what they are saying is, I think, when you feel yourself getting angry, the only way to stop the whole thing is to stop being angry and be happy or at peace. When you are happy and at peace there is not in you the desire to send anything back.

A: Bingo.

It is amazing how easy the solution is and how difficult it is to change the mechanical emotional reaction. Thanks for sharing this part of the session, I was just thinking about all the times the Cass have given the simple solution to something "difficult"... how "difficult" to choose the most general things from the lessons/life.

a replica of 3D then 5D would be the place to do that
Maybe with technology they can visit their "heaven."

5D is like an existential "retroprojection" density. It is where we examine our lives as projected slides and baf! we make them "real". Symbolically it has been given the name of "zone of regret" or "purgatory", so it is not far-fetched that in order to examine our experiences, they manifest and we must live them included with the rest of our past lives.

That it can be accessed from 3D without having to leave the physical body does not seem impossible to me, is there really room to use "impossible"? Should we still be talking about "impossible"? If something "cannot be done" it is because it violates free will or because it does not apply in a density or because one does not have the knowledge for something in particular because one is not in the density to have it, but impossible? I have discarded that word definitively because nothing is limited, only our 3D perception and thinking makes us see "limits" because we are talking about beings who know how to decompose and recompose matter, how to combine it with the components that make up the physical and ethereal part of the present components of some density according to the "laws" that make it up and somehow protect a 3D body from those "structural laws" and make them "compatible" with an environment contrary to the one it is made of or momentarily exchange them to a body where it can function in a certain density, so to speak. For God's sake, they can take the soul out of our bodies, that's already a lot with too much (laughs).

Ok, "there are other ways to access 4D and 5D" makes me think then that it is not strictly physical nor strictly ethereal.

There are natural processes in existence that cannot be manipulated in any way, and that is understandable. But it is not that they cannot come here, it is that it takes a lot of energy to do so, so it is more profitable to order a delivery to work better "up there" (laughter) where the "resources" and conditions of density are more favorable.

But then, is there a "contemplation zone" in the 5th density or is the entire density a contemplation zone? I do not remember that it has been mentioned that the 5th density has been described as an "ethereal density" but it is where "ethereal souls" are worked on punctually and that is impregnable by any being of any density. But what is around? Is there something beyond the "veil" where the so-called "contemplation zone" takes place?

If these beings can reach 5D in "other ways" and carry other people in their 3D bodies or exchange them from one 3D body to another more suitable body using their latest generation elevators for higher densities, which seems most appropriate, then it is a 5D zone, apart from the "contemplation zone" through which they can "transit".

Q: (L) [...] so these bases may be places that if you are taken to them, are in them, that through these portals, or trans-density bases, you are thereby able to transit the densities?

A: You are able anyway.

I don't know if the translation is helping me but it's like saying "with or without an elevator, you can do it anyway" is one of "many ways".
 

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