Ricardo
Dagobah Resident
Trying to grok the whole elevator thing from @Fluffy 's post , 3rd sits between 2nd and 4th , and is subjected to a veil , 4th is between 3rd and 5th , no veil and partially physical , the elevator in transcripts doesn't exclude transition to 5th , but for a 4th STO , this may be not contextually relevant. ( whereas 4th STS , where wishfull thinking is enforced, such would be considered as self-anihilation ? ) , this helps ?
Session 4 November 1995 :
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Q: (L) So you go there to get on to go to different densities?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, it is that easy?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So you go to these bases, to go to different densities...
A: Although, it is possible to enter 4th and 5th in other ways too!
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Session 21 September 2024 :
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And people like Jane Goodall spend their lives living in the jungle, watching 'em and observing them so that they can write things about 'em. So there's a spectrum. And then I pointed out that we should imagine that we have a similar spectrum in 3D, so that we have from the lowest level human looking beings that are just barely amoebas, so to speak. They may be without souls or without individuated souls as we consider higher level humans to have. But there's also not just a unidirectional or vertical spectrum, there's also probably a mosaic spectrum, all kinds of different beings and types of beings and levels of beings and abilities of beings and all of the uniqueness of the types and so forth. And the next thing that we should also naturally assume, I mean if we're considering our hermetic maxims being of any use is that 4D similarly has a spectrum - and not just a vertical spectrum, but a mosaic spectrum of all kinds of beings and creatures, and that they can do all kinds of things. Having said that, there is a possibility at some higher level or in some narrow category of 4D beings, there are those who can at least with their inner self - assuming that 4D beings have inner selves - can enter and exit 5D, maybe at will. And a whole bunch of 'em can't, except in the sense that we possibly do…
(Joe) Who would want to?
(L) Yeah, I'm not sure, but I remember what's his name, Michael Topper. And I'm pretty sure, I think I referenced it in my article on stalking - Michael Topper, stalking - that a 5D STS being was incredibly contractile, gravitation… I mean, you would think of it as the laziest thing on the planet because it's so contractile, it doesn't even move. It doesn't even stir… I mean, almost like a black hole, and maybe it's close to a black hole. Maybe that's what black holes are: they are these contractile 5D STS beings floating around in the universe. Maybe the universe is 5D for all we know.
(Joe) So you've got physical existence, human beings, 4D, whatever, semi-physical, whatever. There's a lifespan. We see it as human beings. We see it as pretty short. And then after that, you go with 5D and you spend however long, and then 5D's a contemplation zone. So you get to 5D and do your contemplating for as long as you want, as long as you choose maybe, right?
(L) Or however long you need.
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Session 4 November 1995 :
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Q: (L) So you go there to get on to go to different densities?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, it is that easy?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So you go to these bases, to go to different densities...
A: Although, it is possible to enter 4th and 5th in other ways too!
(....)
Session 21 September 2024 :
(...)
And people like Jane Goodall spend their lives living in the jungle, watching 'em and observing them so that they can write things about 'em. So there's a spectrum. And then I pointed out that we should imagine that we have a similar spectrum in 3D, so that we have from the lowest level human looking beings that are just barely amoebas, so to speak. They may be without souls or without individuated souls as we consider higher level humans to have. But there's also not just a unidirectional or vertical spectrum, there's also probably a mosaic spectrum, all kinds of different beings and types of beings and levels of beings and abilities of beings and all of the uniqueness of the types and so forth. And the next thing that we should also naturally assume, I mean if we're considering our hermetic maxims being of any use is that 4D similarly has a spectrum - and not just a vertical spectrum, but a mosaic spectrum of all kinds of beings and creatures, and that they can do all kinds of things. Having said that, there is a possibility at some higher level or in some narrow category of 4D beings, there are those who can at least with their inner self - assuming that 4D beings have inner selves - can enter and exit 5D, maybe at will. And a whole bunch of 'em can't, except in the sense that we possibly do…
(Joe) Who would want to?
(L) Yeah, I'm not sure, but I remember what's his name, Michael Topper. And I'm pretty sure, I think I referenced it in my article on stalking - Michael Topper, stalking - that a 5D STS being was incredibly contractile, gravitation… I mean, you would think of it as the laziest thing on the planet because it's so contractile, it doesn't even move. It doesn't even stir… I mean, almost like a black hole, and maybe it's close to a black hole. Maybe that's what black holes are: they are these contractile 5D STS beings floating around in the universe. Maybe the universe is 5D for all we know.
(Joe) So you've got physical existence, human beings, 4D, whatever, semi-physical, whatever. There's a lifespan. We see it as human beings. We see it as pretty short. And then after that, you go with 5D and you spend however long, and then 5D's a contemplation zone. So you get to 5D and do your contemplating for as long as you want, as long as you choose maybe, right?
(L) Or however long you need.
(...)