Has anyone else experienced a complete shift in reality mechanics from STS to STO protocol?

[John G]

It was only when finally I was in a situation where I experienced a shift in energy in the middle of a poker session where I was down a significant amount of money, then I was able to trace the flip when the cards turned in my favor, and pinpoint exactly what I said that changed my posture.

I've noticed for a long while what seems like my favorite sports teams doing better when I'm not overly invested in every second of their games. It's like they can have a historic collapse while I'm overly focused on each moment and then in the same series against the same team come back from a large deficit I didn't know occurred until reading about it later. It doesn't really matter to me if the effect is real it's just a curiosity of sorts.

There can certainly be synchronicities related to things over time that result in something like ending up at this forum. I think I started my very slow crawl towards this forum way back in my second year of college. I'm very introverted and it seemed to me at the time that college was repeating high school socially and even worse, my grades were horrible for the first time in my life after being great my Freshman year. I was slowly walking out an arched doorway at night after leaving the computer lab singing a popular song to myself as a prayer of sorts as I often did and in very small purple letters I saw the one word name of the song on the side of the doorway.

I somehow knew things would be better after that though it would never be anything I had to force thankfully since I'm an introvert. I'm not really any better, there are things I don't like about myself related to being an introvert, but it's like something said I'll lead you to something really interesting even if it doesn't directly help you with your introversion. Introversion is like one big negative thought loop yet somehow it didn't make me overly ignore reality and I got to end up here.

 

[brandon]

I don't know if I understand all of what you're saying, and I don't have any answers, but to me it sounds like exactly what I think of as "non-anticipation"..

Non-anticipation addresses surface-level intent, sort of like, “don’t expect an outcome”, but the field now responds to any hidden leverage embedded in the signal itself, even if I'm not consciously expecting a result. It’s not enough for me to just not hope or not anticipate. If there's any trace of orientation toward reward, even if masked as surrender or simply doing nothing, the field blocks it.

Non-anticipation is a helpful guideline, but in this current mode, it’s no longer subtle enough to describe how I've noticed it's reflecting in my experience. What the field mirrors now is pure congruence with no embedded aim, not simply an absence of anticipation.

..to me, this sounds like you're using a sort of surface level or mundane definition of "anticipation", and so the "non-anticipation" term isn't adequate for what you're experiencing. Nothing wrong with that.. But for me, when I use that term, it has a lot more meaning to it, both broader and more specific.. Similar to the term "not doing" from Carlos Castaneda's books. When I first read that, it sounded like he meant "doing nothing", but later it turns out his definition of "doing" in this context isn't the mundane one, but rather means something like "perceiving reality through the filters you've learnt throughout your life".. Likewise, when I think of "non-anticipation" I don't only mean not hoping for a particular outcome, but.. something I can't quite put into words.

Yesterday I happened to watch this short video about playing Shakuhachi flute, which talks about the same kind of thing. I liked the word this guy used for this kind of state of being - curiosity.

 

[brandon]

Likewise, when I think of "non-anticipation" I don't only mean not hoping for a particular outcome, but.. something I can't quite put into words.

BTW this state of "non-mundane non-anticipation" isn't something I personally can enter particularly on purpose, or that often (or maybe ever, yet? not fully..).. Not an expert :) Sometimes it just happens... Seems to me all I can really do at the moment is cultivate the mundane part of it..

 

[Peter Jennings]

I'm not sure how this quoting feature works so I'll just put your post with F - and my response with P-.

F-
Okay so I think I’m beginning to understand what you mean about posture. Non-anticipation is a choice to think or behave in a certain way whereas posture could be described as the natural response of non-anticipation without consciously choosing, more like a natural way of being rather than a forced one, as in, total acceptance for every and any thing… Am I close?

P-
I think you’re almost dead-on. Non-anticipation is like what people call “beginner’s luck.” Why does that saying exist? Because beginners don’t expect to win, they know they’re new, so they’re not projecting any resistance or control. That non-resistance allows things to flow. But once they do experience success, they start to expect it, and the field collapses.

That’s how I now understand a lot of my past. But what changed is that once I became aware of this mechanic, the field seemed to shift. It no longer allows even that. If I try to leverage non-anticipation because I know it works, the field reads that as manipulation. Even doing nothing with the motive of surrender collapses the signal.

So yes—just like you said—it’s pushed me into a kind of enforced congruence: total alignment with what is, no strategy, no bargaining. The field reflects my energetic posture, not my declared attitude. And it mirrors with precision. You cannot fake it. It's like we're plugged into it or something.

F-
If so, can we learn to posture towards the field by practicing non-anticipation and acceptance until it becomes innate in us to make it an unconscious mode of being? If it happened to you without your will involved it’s hard to imagine how one could get to that place without conscious effort if we wanted to experience the same thing.


P-
I really think you’re tracking what I mean. I’ve also noticed that “immersion” is key. When I’m in my head and trying to monitor myself, trying to avoid unintentional manipulation, it usually collapses. But when I’m immersed in the moment, or the activity itself, everything flows better.

The field has forced this mode of being onto me. That’s not a metaphor, I mean it literally. Any time I drift back into subtle compensation or unconscious reaching, outcomes stall or implode. So yes, it’s hard to imagine someone reaching this state by willpower alone. In my case, all my strategies simply stopped working, and I just had no choice but to live that way if I ever wanted anything positive to happen in my life.

One subtle point you raised that I've recently been tracking is that I think "efforting" is maybe not the same thing as "aligning with truth". I've noticed that if I adjust my posture in order to align with what’s true, that doesn’t seem to get punished. It's just really hard to tell because even I don't know all the time whether I am or am not “adjusting” with a secret motive for gain or relief.

F –
So what happens in your thought process on an average day? Do you judge and observe your surroundings differently? If issues arise how do you deal with them, and what if they need you to take some kind of action of discord, say if someone tried to steal your wallet and they had a knife and you had to defend yourself? Do you pray or meditate? (sorry if I missed this)

P-
I don’t think you’re missing it at all. My thought process is that I’m just constantly watching everything happening in my life to see if the field is reflecting distortion or not. If it is, I interrogate my posture towards whatever it is and attempt to align it away from distortion and in line with the truth. Any action I take, it’s a complete waste of time if it’s not fully embodied and aligned with my ‘essence of being’, I guess, is the only way I could describe it. It has to be done from a place of “this is just who I am and what I do, and I don’t do it for any reason other than it is how I express myself”, because if it’s something I’m doing that I don’t want to do, or I’m doing it to compensate for some reason, the result will just backfire or just return nothing.

About defending myself, yes of course I would defend myself. It would be an action aligned with my own survival. I actually don’t understand the motivation behind why you’ve asked it. But yes, I’m beginning to get better at focusing on motivations of myself and everyone with everything they do. I even analyze how the people in these threads respond to me because those are reflections from the field as well and point to my own blind spots. Essentially, everything in my reality that happens is now like a feedback of my blind spots that I’m working one by one to remove.

Please realize, I have only begun to understand this field and its operation very recently, so I’m not that far into this process. I did “work” on myself, like self improvement type stuff for a long time, and that is directionally similar to what I’m doing now, but it just took me a very long time to get to the point where I started to understand what actually does and doesn’t block outcomes.

I don’t pray because I have gone through intense hoaxes from STS and I really just don’t trust anything in the astral at all. I align with the idea that “when you pray, you become prey”. I also think it seems kind of weird to pray because I’d be praying to myself, right? Since we’re all individual nodes of the creator. Meditation I think is a good tool for those in STS protocol; it helps you to gain more control over your experience. But I can tell you that I actually had tried to meditate 4 or 5 days ago. I did it for like 45 minutes per day for three days, then on the third day, I woke up and experienced just a cascade of unfavorable events all happening one right after another. I started to inquire what the heck is causing this, then I realized, I know that the Maharishi effect is real and that meditation improves favorable scenarios for those engaging in it, so that knowledge of it’s efficacy literally binds me to this idea that to meditate is to deny “what is”, and to “try” to enact more favorable outcomes for myself. The field read my meditating as a subtle rejection of what is and an admission of lack. As soon as I realized that and I decided to no longer meditate because I could not figure out a way to do it that wouldn’t be with the intention to gain more favorable outcomes. As soon as I made that decision, some positive things occurred.

 

[Peter Jennings]

What was it? And how did the game go? did it go as you wanted it to go?


So, how has your life been ever since that one poker game? I realize you said you noticed a change in the attitude the system had towards you, but.. what does your life look like? is it the life you wish to have?

My friend was staking me, I was playing well but kept losing big pot after big pot until I was down a very large amount. I told my friend, "this is not a smart idea to keep playing". He said, "you are playing well, keep going". I said, "fine, I'll keep playing but it's your money at stake."

My saying that changed my posture. Prior to that, I was holding responsibility for repaying losses. The moment I said, "fine, but it's your money", my posture shifted from personal ownership and responsibility (which had subtle fear, pressure, and control embedded in it) to total surrender of outcome. The thing is, I felt detached prior to saying that. I knew I was detached, I was playing well and getting my money in good time and time again, losing pot after pot, and was completely emotionally unaffected. That's how I could tell that I noticed the cards flipped in my favor after telling my friend "it's your money". I knew it wasn't about my actual feeling but rather about how the field was reading my posture towards the situation.

How has my life been? I am not claiming I have any masterful control over anything. The field cannot be faked. It's not like I can pretend to posture towards something and it'll read me and obey my command. It only will reflect my true posture towards anything. So have things been better? They haven't been worse except when I notice I make a mistake in posture. I'm still in the process of learning, this is why I came here to ask other people. The more I'm actually discussing it I'm starting to see that potentially it's the case that I didn't have a "protocol switch", but maybe that it's just that once you realize non-anticipation works, the field "grades" you harder and maybe I'm misinterpreting that for "STO protocol"? Not sure yet, I'm still trying to figure it out myself.

 

[gottathink]

‘The field” is not engaging in a process of interpretation, I’m going to assume that you mean to say it does. The field just is, our own being and our ability to be in harmony with creative processes is what changes.

As a side note you might find it interesting to read in the transcripts about dowsing for lottery numbers.

 

[jhonny]

Peter, It seems to me that you are here to teach everything you know without leaving room for what you could learn. I understand you have shown some of your qualities, like being a good writer, for instance, but I have the impression that all you know about everything is the truth and that's all, not leaving much room for doubts whether what you take for granted is indeed a fact.

 

[Peter Jennings]

There are lots of references to non-anticipation on this forum which you may wish to explore. Also mentions in the transcripts.

I disagree with your definition of non-anticipation as simply ‘don’t expect an outcome’ which does not encompass its full meaning in the context of the Work. All the things you say are not included in the definition, I believe are included.

Have you read Wave series? Also you can search the forum for discussions that mention non-anticipation.

Part of my own experience in how I relate to non-anticipation is how I present my own mind and body in order to affect the reality I am encountering within clinical practice. I deal with people who have chronic non-specific musculoskeletal pain. I have found I must be open and hold a space of possibility in the therapeutic interaction that the person can easily flow into to resolve pain. I have found if I stray into wanting to fix or help (this is still a simplification but useful for illustrative purposes) I lose my connection with the space that healing seems to occur. Of course the client needs to be doing the same, however if I can hold steady it seems easier for them to slide into that mode as well. It’s both subtle and powerful.

Even if we assume the most refined, deepest definition of “non-anticipation” the C's discuss, it still implies a method of approach or a way of inhabiting the moment to stay open or avoid contaminating the field.

But what I'm saying is that any method itself becomes leverage if it contains a hidden orientation.

You're still treating openness as an indirect mechanism for outcome facilitation. I'm saying even that orientation for me fails.

This is what I mean by "non-anticipation" falls short. Non-anticipation itself has become perceived to be a strategy. But you're saying the C's already accounted for that in their explanation of it. I don't see that.

Yes I've read every book in the wave series.

I really appreciate and resonated with the example you offered. It sounds like you may have internalized the energetic posture idea I've been discussing without naming it outright but then just presumed the C's said it with their non-anticipation idea. You've not tested my claim that the field has changed how it mirrors me. That’s the critical test. I'm saying the system itself no longer responds to these refined STS modes of manipulation of any kind whatsoever, even "non-anticipation".

 

[Peter Jennings]

‘The field” is not engaging in a process of interpretation, I’m going to assume that you mean to say it does. The field just is, our own being and our ability to be in harmony with creative processes is what changes.

As a side note you might find it interesting to read in the transcripts about dowsing for lottery numbers.

You're saying that “the field is not interpreting”, that it just is, and it’s our alignment with it that shifts.

But here’s what I'm pointing at:
If the field is not interpretive, then why does it respond differently after I become aware of a previously unconscious leverage? For example, something as subtle as meditating with even the faintest embedded aim now triggers distortion that didn’t used to occur. That suggests to me that the same action, with the same internal sincerity, stops “working” once I’ve seen through its instrumental frame.

That’s why I’ve started to wonder why the mirror itself adjusts in response to awareness? Or is awareness simply exposing hidden orientation that was always present, but only now detectable? If it’s the latter, that would still support your view. But my experience makes it feel like the rules themselves change as clarity increases—not just the clarity of my own posture, but the behavior of the field in how it mirrors it.

So I’m trying to isolate whether what’s occurring is an evolution of inner signal coherence or a fundamental shift in field protocol due to a polarity change or something else. I’m testing both. And if there’s nuance in the C’s material that already accounts for this, that non-anticipation is meant to cover even that degree of embedded motive, then I’d genuinely want to dig into it. But I really don't see that. I'm open to being shown in wrong if you can do so though.

I have a lot of respect for the way you engage so I'm quite interested in your response.

 

[Peter Jennings]

I was on cell phone and couldn't see the link you offered about dowsing lottery numbers. It may account for my "energetic posture" but I need to look deeper into it tomorrow. Thanks.

 

[iamthatis]

Yeah, the idea that non-anticipation can be used by the Predator Mind to 'get what we want' - thus turning non-anticipation into anticipation of a more subtle kind - has been addressed in this session:

Session 11 August 1996​

Q: (L) OK, we've been talking earlier this evening about intent, and of course, our own experiences with intent have really been pretty phenomenal. We've come to some kind of an idea that intent, when confirmed repeatedly, actually builds force. Is this a correct concept, and is there anything that you can add to it?

A: Only until anticipation muddies the picture... tricky one, huh?

Q: (L) Is anticipation the act of assuming you know how something is going to happen?

A: Follows realization, generally, and unfortunately for you, on 3rd density.

Q: (L) Is this a correct assessment of this process?

A: Both examples given are correct. You see, once anticipation enters the picture, the intent can no longer be STO.

Q: (L) Anticipation is desire for something for self. Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) OK, so it's OK to intend something, or to think in an intentional way, or to hope in an intentional way, for something that is to serve another, but anticipation defines it as a more personal thing.

A: And that brings realization.

Q: (L) So, desire to serve others, and to do something because it will help others, brings realization...

A: But, realization creates anticipation.

Q: (L) Well, how do we navigate this? I mean, this is like walking on a razor's edge. To control your mind to not anticipate, and yet, deal with realization, and yet, still maintain hope... (J) They said it was tricky... (L) This is, this is, um...

A: Mental exercises of denial, balanced with pure faith of a non-prejudicial kind.

Q: (L) OK, so, in other words, to just accept what is at the moment, appreciate it as it is at the moment, and have faith that the universe and things will happen the way they are supposed to happen, without placing any expectation on how that will be?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) This is, and I'm not asking about Ark, this is something that he has talked about in terms of shaping the future. He talks about shaping the future as an intentional act of shaping something good, but without defining the moment of measurement. In other words, adding energy to it by intent, but not deciding where, when or how the moment of measurement occurs. When the quantum jump occurs, it occurs on it's own, and in it's own way. Is this the concept he's dealing with here?

A: Anticipation.

Q: (L) In other words, is what he's talking about anticipation?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, what do you mean, anticipation in response to what I said?

A: That is the key to shaping the future... Avoiding it.

Q: (T) OK, because we’re not anticipating in what we're doing...

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What we're doing is not anticipatory, it's just happening. We were talking about it on the way up, that with interactions with others, we are facilitating, we are creating reality. This is what they all say about reality.

A: When it hits you, it stops.

Q: (L) When what hits you? (J) The realization. (T) The fact that it's happening.

A: Yes unless you cancel out all anticipation.

I think what you've been posting about so far is described by the Taoists as wu-wei, or doing/not-doing. There's also the Sufi practice of using our selfishness for selfless ends. And also the advaita vedanta notion that we can use the mind to stop the mind, thus revealing the Mind. McGilchrist has also written about the balance of the left and right hemispheres. Anyways, a lot has been written about this for ages, and most of the authors conclude that there is actually no contradiction between having an aim and non-anticipation. They work together like two hands.

You're saying that “the field is not interpreting”, that it just is, and it’s our alignment with it that shifts.

But here’s what I'm pointing at:
If the field is not interpretive, then why does it respond differently after I become aware of a previously unconscious leverage? For example, something as subtle as meditating with even the faintest embedded aim now triggers distortion that didn’t used to occur. That suggests to me that the same action, with the same internal sincerity, stops “working” once I’ve seen through its instrumental frame.

That’s why I’ve started to wonder why the mirror itself adjusts in response to awareness? Or is awareness simply exposing hidden orientation that was always present, but only now detectable? If it’s the latter, that would still support your view. But my experience makes it feel like the rules themselves change as clarity increases—not just the clarity of my own posture, but the behavior of the field in how it mirrors it.

So I’m trying to isolate whether what’s occurring is an evolution of inner signal coherence or a fundamental shift in field protocol due to a polarity change or something else. I’m testing both. And if there’s nuance in the C’s material that already accounts for this, that non-anticipation is meant to cover even that degree of embedded motive, then I’d genuinely want to dig into it. But I really don't see that. I'm open to being shown in wrong if you can do so though.

I have a lot of respect for the way you engage so I'm quite interested in your response.

Reality adjusts itself to our perception. That's the basics of quantum physics. Laura wrote about it here in depth:

Our universe seems to be made up of matter/energy and of consciousness.

Matter/energy by itself "prefers", as it seems, a chaotic state.

Matter/energy by itself doesn't even have a concept of "creation" or "organization". It is the consciousness that brings to life these concepts and by its interaction with matter pushes the universe towards chaos and decay or towards order and creation.

This phenomenon can modeled mathematically and simulated on a computer using EEQT (Event Enhanced Quantum Theory). Whether EEQT faithfully models the interaction of consciousness with matter, we do not know; but chances are that it does because it seems to describe correctly physical phenomena better than just the orthodox quantum mechanics or its rival theories (Bohmian mechanics, GRW etc.)

What we learn from EEQT can be described in simple terms as follows:

Let us call our material universe "the system". The system is characterized by a certain "state". It is useful to represent the state of the system as a point on a disc. The central point of the disk, its origin, is the state of chaos. We could also describe it as "Infinite Potential." The points on the boundary represents "pure states" of being, that is states with "pure, non-fuzzy, knowledge". In between there are mixed states. The closer the state is to the boundary, the more pure, more 'organized' it is.

Now, an external "observer", a "consciousness unit", has some idea - maybe accurate, maybe false or anywhere in between - about the "real state" of the system, and observes the system with this "belief" about the state. Observation, if prolonged, causes the state of the system to "jump". In this sense, you DO "create your own reality", but the devil, as always, is in the details.

The details are that the resulting state of the system under observation can be more pure, or more chaotic depending on the "direction" of the jump. The direction of the jump depends on how objective - how close to the reality of the actual state - the observation is.

According to EEQT if the expectations of the observer are close to the actual state of the system, the system jumps, more often than not, into more organized, less chaotic state.

If, on the other hand, the expectation of the observer is close to the negation of the actual state (that is when the observer's beliefs are not TRUE according to the ACTUAL state - the objective reality), then the state of the system, typically, will jump into a state that is more chaotic, less organized. Moreover, it will take, as a rule, much longer time to accomplish such a jump.

In other words, if the observer's knowledge of the actual state is close to the truth, then the very act of observation and verification causes a jump quickly, and the resulting state is more organized; pure. If the observer's knowledge of the actual state is false, then it takes usually a long time to cause a change in the state of the system, and the resulting state is more chaotic.

What this means is that order can be brought out of chaos by observing chaos as it IS and not pretending that it is otherwise.

In short, everyone who "believes" in an attempt to "create reality" that is different from what IS, adds to the increase of chaos and entropy. If your beliefs are orthogonal to the truth, no matter how strongly you believe them, you are essentially coming into conflict with how the Universe views itself and I can assure you, you ain't gonna win that contest. You are inviting destruction upon yourself and all who engage in this "staring down the universe" exercise with you.

On the other hand, if you are able to view the Universe as it views itself, objectively, without blinking, and with acceptance, you then become more "aligned" with the Creative energy of the universe and your very consciousness becomes a transducer of order energy. Your energy of observation, given unconditionally, can bring order to chaos, can create out of infinite potential.

 

[Jones]

Peter Jennings, one of the things that stands out for me in your opening post is your use of absolutes. For example:

For reference, this realization I'm about to explain, I literally only just arrived to very recently, however, what I am attempting to explain is that, all those tactics I used to use, they all stopped working around two to three years ago. Not just partially, but entirely. None of those approaches worked anymore, no matter how well-executed, and I experienced the most bizarre string of events where it just appeared to me as if my entire life had come to a halt and I could no longer make anything happen at all in my favor.

To get an idea of what I'm driving at, check out the first page of the Cass website where the Cassiopaean Experiment is introduced and in particular where reductio ad absurdum is discussed.

How did you manage to take care of the basics of life if none of your approaches worked anymore? I mean, could you still manage to get yourself a drink of water if you were thirsty?

 

[Fluffy]

Yesterday I happened to watch this short video about playing Shakuhachi flute, which talks about the same kind of thing. I liked the word this guy used for this kind of state of being - curiosity.

Wowee Brandon what a fantastic video.

I watched it exchanging Shakuhachi (beautiful instrument, the sound really hits me in the feels, triggering memories of a past life) with ‘mind’. It fits in perfectly with the last week or so of me moving from ‘controlling to allowing’
Wonderful, thanks for sharing.

 

[Kika]

I’m not claiming superiority here, just describing something I haven’t yet seen articulated elsewhere. If this perspective is already out there, I’d be genuinely interested if you could point me to where I could find it.

Are you familiar with the work of Vadim Zeland?

 

[Wandering Star]

For my entire life, reality responded to me fairly predictably. My clever manipulation tactics, efforting to gain rewards/results, and calculated moves to dominate others (what I could call STS-style tactics) produced consistent tangible results

"You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the tim".

I know people like you and it's good that you fail.