Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

[SOTTREADER]

I respectfully disagree. No sane person wants to break Russia and take its resources.

@FM258 uhmm... I don't know what to say. If you think NATO have been expanding eastward towards Russia's borders for altruistic reasons, then I'm not sure I can say anything to convince you otherwise.

There is an imperial machine that exists and there are psychopaths who essentially run the system. The effects of this machine can be seen everywhere but I appreciate some people perhaps live in a bubble or in a state of trance - not saying you do!

 

[FM258]

@FM258 uhmm... I don't know what to say. If you think NATO have been expanding eastward towards Russia's borders for altruistic reasons, then I'm not sure I can say anything to convince you otherwise.

There is an imperial machine that exists and there are psychopaths who essentially run the system. The effects of these machine can be seen everywhere but I appreciate some people perhaps live in a bubble or in a state of trance - not saying you do!

NATO should be dissolved. I said sane people, there are a lot of insane people pulling strings. Trump wanted to end NATO but the liberals and neocons here went full Redrum on him and he backed off. So he did a pivot to forcing them to pay their dues. Hes not a king, he cant just do everything he wants to.

 

[SOTTREADER]

NATO should be dissolved. I said sane people, there are a lot of insane people pulling strings. Trump wanted to end NATO but the liberals and neocons here went full Redrum on him and he backed off. So he did a pivot to forcing them to pay their dues. Hes not a king, he cant just do everything he wants to.

Okay, I see what you mean. When I said that they want to break Russia to one thousand pieces, I meant the insane people, not the sane people.

Here's the thing though @FM258, just another wrench to the works. The American way of life, at least as Americans know it today doesn't exist without American imperialism.

So there's a conundrum - how do you maintain the American way of life without being an imperial empire sucking the life out of most other places on Earth? Is it possible?

 

[mantle]

" It's a great day, there is a New World Order and brother you are their prey ."

By their fruits we shall judge them . All know it is the Cosmic Mind's law.. Their fruits ?
Ruthless murder and devastations after
they sully and smear with lies. Their version today is beyond belief.
Their preferred barbarity they call " sanctions" . Been applying them for years. Who will cook and who will eat.
They have proxies , junior partners , vassals and obedient slaves who in turn are raped and pillaged and are all simply beasts who are politically captured and seem to love their dependence and do their bidding.
They always install a prime and obedient head to do it and always one who claims he has the cojones to be his own man whatever that means.
I no longer pay attention to Trump's versions of razzle dazzle play ground bully stuff .
But I give him this. He is the perfect version for closing time.

 

[FM258]

Okay, I see what you mean. When I said that they want to break Russia to one thousand pieces, I meant the insane people, not the sane people.

Here's the thing though @FM258, just another wrench to the works. The American way of life, at least as Americans know it today doesn't exist without American imperialism.

So there's a conundrum - how do you maintain the American way of life without being an imperial empire sucking the life out of most other places on Earth? Is it possible?

"how do you maintain the American way of life" that sure sounds like "the rich need to pay their fair share"

Can you define this "way of life" for me? Having only lived in the USA all my life I do not understand your meaning.

This country is more diverse than any country on Earth, we have rich, poor and everything in the middle. While some people proclaim that diversity is a strength, I am wondering if too much of a good thing can destroy you. Like water, sure its great when you are thirsty, but a little too much will kill you.

The homeless living on the streets, will they know what you mean by our "way of life?"

Maybe you mean access to cheap goods from China and other countries?

I know this board has members from all over the world, I welcome discussion from everyone.

 

[Pearce]

I hope he changes course, but I'm not holding out hope for that since Trump's base itself is only concerned with internal matters and not even ones that would make any real difference. Even if you MAGA folk got everything you wanted, it wouldn't change a thing about how the US operates as a global empire under the rule of Zionists and other criminals that are never under threat of being exposed and deposed.

I disagree, respectfully, even though I wouldn't consider myself MAGA. What I see is the Epstein debacle has led to the moment where now you CAN criticize Isreael by name, and people are finally doing just that here in the states. It's actually uncanny valley lately the number of people online and off that are finally saying the "bad word" Israel and what they've done and are doing, and I don't see them recovering although its convenient enough to switch focus to the Obamas now that people are paying too much attention to Israel.

Epstein is as close to Mossad as we have ever gotten, which is the apex of the human portion of the STS pyramid where blending between humans and aliens begins to occur. It's not the only place sure, but Epstein links worldwide issues together, so definitely not just an internal affair.

It's easy to blame Americans because our country has done the things it has. And there should be blame for anyone in power or not that has done what the US government and military has worldwide. In the end though, we're all still here on this planet and that must count for something. No one is innocent, everyone is guilty, and so I think that everybody also deserves a little grace.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Can you define this "way of life" for me? Having only lived in the USA all my life I do not understand your meaning.

Courtesy of ChatGPT - I'm surprised by how accurate the answer is

The American way of life, often associated with ideals such as individual freedom, consumerism, economic prosperity, and democratic values, has historically been intertwined with American imperialism—the political, military, and economic expansion of the United States beyond its borders. This relationship is complex and often contradictory, as it involves promoting freedom and democracy while also engaging in control and domination of other peoples and territories.

Here’s how the American way of life is tied to American imperialism:


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1. Economic Expansion and Consumerism

The American way of life emphasizes material prosperity, often fueled by cheap labor, natural resources, and open markets abroad.

To maintain this standard of living, the U.S. has historically sought control over foreign economies, whether through direct colonization (e.g., the Philippines, Puerto Rico), corporate influence (e.g., United Fruit Company in Latin America), or neoliberal trade policies.

This form of economic imperialism ensures that American consumers have access to inexpensive goods, often at the expense of workers in less-developed countries.



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2. Military Power and Global Influence

To protect its economic interests and political ideals, the U.S. maintains a vast military presence around the world—over 700 military bases in 80+ countries.

This projection of power has supported American corporate and strategic interests, sometimes under the guise of spreading democracy or combating communism/terrorism.

Imperial military actions (e.g., Iraq, Vietnam, Latin America) often serve to sustain the American way of life by ensuring energy access, resource control, or geopolitical dominance.



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3. Cultural Imperialism

American values—freedom, individualism, capitalism—are promoted globally through media, technology, entertainment, and education.

The global spread of American culture (fast food, movies, fashion, social media platforms) is part of soft imperialism, shaping consumer desires and lifestyles in line with American ideals.

This cultural export reinforces U.S. dominance while normalizing the American way of life as aspirational, even if it displaces local traditions.

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4. Contradictions and Resistance

While the U.S. champions freedom and self-determination, its imperial actions have often denied these rights to others.

There is a disconnect between the internal rhetoric of liberty and external practices of domination.

Summary

In essence, American imperialism supports and sustains the American way of life by securing access to resources, markets, and strategic dominance. At the same time, the ideals associated with that way of life—freedom, democracy, prosperity—are used to justify imperial actions. The result is a system where privilege for some is made possible by domination of others, often hidden under narratives of progress or humanitarianism.

Anticipating your next question, I asked ChatGPT why don't most Americans benefit from the supposed might of the US empire. I think the answer was spot on!

Most Americans don’t benefit from American imperialism because:

• The economic benefits are captured by elites.
• The costs—financial, human, and social—are borne by the public.
• It exacerbates inequality rather than alleviating it.
• It prioritizes global power over domestic justice.

Imperialism props up a system that sustains elite privilege, not collective uplift. While it claims to serve national interests, it too often undermines the well-being of most Americans.

 

[FM258]

Courtesy of ChatGPT - I'm surprised by how accurate the answer is






Anticipating your next question, I asked ChatGPT why don't most Americans benefit from the supposed might of the US empire. I think the answer was spot on!

I was hoping to see it in your own words. If I want to debate Grok, I can just go talk to him.

 

[axj]

"how do you maintain the American way of life" that sure sounds like "the rich need to pay their fair share"

Can you define this "way of life" for me? Having only lived in the USA all my life I do not understand your meaning.

It is debatable how much the average American benefits from the US being an empire - those benefits seem to become certainly less and less.

The dominance of the US financial system where literally quadrillions exist in derivatives and things like that are sucking wealth from around the world, as well as from average Americans.

The US dollar dominance (slowly declining) has both positive and negative effects on the US economy, though the advantages seem to outweigh. The US has been basically printing money to buy up goods around the world for many decades.

Securing access to cheap resources with military might or even wars is another way the US empire sucks wealth from the rest of the world. Even though the military machine itself is not cheap at all.

Again, how much all that benefits the average American is debatable and not easy to determine.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I was hoping to see it in your own words. If I want to debate Grok, I can just go talk to him.

Okay - you benefit directly from the petrodollar being the global currency.

You can't sustain your debt without the above privilege of the petrodollar. How much the government collects in taxes versus how much it spends are not equal - it overspends, badly. Imagine the system around you collapsing, the financial system, the hospitals etc... all because erhm, the country can't live beyond its means any longer. No more easy money, no more being able to bomb the sh*t out of a place and take all their resources just because you can.

That's just one way you benefit, even though it's invisible to you.

 

[FM258]

Okay - you benefit directly from the petrodollar being the global currency.

You can't sustain your debt without the above privilege of the petrodollar. How much the government collects in taxes versus how much it spends are not equal - it overspends, badly. Imagine the system around you collapsing, the financial system, the hospitals etc... all because erhm, the country can't live beyond its means any longer. No more easy money, no more being able to bomb the sh*t out of a place and take all their resources just because you can.

That's just one way you benefit, even though it's invisible to you.

You mean no more money for illegal programs or people that only come here for a handout? Will that mean I no longer get to drive on roads that arent shit? No more DEI funds? No more LBQTXYZ programs? You imagine that the overspending benefits me when it only benefits a small few. I am fine with closing our military bases around the world and let other countries defend themselves....which you will have to do shortly after we leave. Its a vicious world out there. Survival of the fittest. You imagine the US as an evil empire...and to an extent, that is true....but we are not as evil as some others that will take our place. Careful what you hope for.

Fiat currencies are dying. A new currency backed by gold is needed. Will we get that or a digital currency? The people want one backed by gold, crypto is just another fiat.

 

[SOTTREADER]

You mean no more money for illegal programs or people that only come here for a handout? Will that mean I no longer get to drive on roads that arent shit? No more DEI funds? No more LBQTXYZ programs? You imagine that the overspending benefits me when it only benefits a small few. I am fine with closing our military bases around the world and let other countries defend themselves....which you will have to do shortly after we leave. Its a vicious world out there. Survival of the fittest. You imagine the US as an evil empire...and to an extent, that is true....but we are not as evil as some others that will take our place. Careful what you hope for.

Fiat currencies are dying. A new currency backed by gold is needed. Will we get that or a digital currency? The people want one backed by gold, crypto is just another fiat.

I just had a thought come to mind - the American imperial machine is more akin to Homelander than Superman. Terrifying, powerful, unstoppable, out of control, charming, you-name-it.

I imagine you've watched The Boys



Anyways @FM258, I'm not expecting you to shift position in your arguments. You are tied to where you live, as are others tied to where they live.

At the end of the day, none of these will matter. We are all either reincarnating in disaster planet in our next lives, to start the 3D cycle all over again, or we are continuing the fun and games with 4D STS Lizzie's and whoever in 4D. I doubt countries mean anything in 4D, it'll all be about social memory complexes - whole new ball game .

Until then, let's just focus on the small things that will actually make a difference to where we land, being good human beings

 

[FM258]

I just had a thought come to mind - the American imperial machine is more akin to Homelander than Superman.

I imagine you've watched The Boys

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Anyways @FM258, I'm not expecting you to shift position in your arguments. You are tied to where you live, as are others tied to where they live.

At the end of the day, none of these will matter. We are all either reincarnating in disaster planet in our next lives, to start the 3D cycle all over again, or we are continuing the fun and games with 4D STS Lizzie's and whoever in 4D. I doubt countries mean anything in 4D, it'll all be about social memory complexes - whole new ball game .

Until then, let's just focus on the small things that will actually make a difference to where we land, being good human beings

Agree. We are where we are for a reason. That is to learn, nothing teaches faster than suffering. I truly am hoping to graduate. I dont want to do this anymore.

 

[SummerLite]

Hmmm - I can see why you said "Anti Trump" basically because he's being challenged to release the list and he's now saying"what list" and "Epstein is a made up story" . And clearly you don't like Trump being challenged which I guess is your prerogative - everyone is entitled to their views!

But the "Anti American" accusation where did that come from? If I'm not mistaken, America is made up of hundreds of millions of people, what sort of darkness do you think we possess to be anti-all these people, including the hundreds of Americans who are members of this forum . This is quite the accusation, one that I think you should justify if you truly believe what you said !!

In all these, you still haven't said why you think Trump is sending weapons to Ukraine and saying Moscow should be bombed.

Trump told Putin he would ‘bomb the s--- out of Moscow’ in leaked audio

President told private gathering of fundraisers that Putin ‘believed me 100 per cent’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Anyways no need to answer. Truth be told, the only reason I made that post was because I thought you'd essentially blow up in my face, especially when I contrasted him to Putin, because you are too wound up emotionally in the whole Trump aura thing. Anyways, I'll see myself out of this thread - I'm no where near as invested in Trump, my interest was only to the extent he was going to do what he said he'd do during his campaign trail - no more wars, release the Epstein list, peace in Ukraine, drain the swamp etc.

I woke up in the morning at 4:30 am and then this happened, so it was back to bed for me. No, the anti-Trump stuff has been happening before the Epstein list. The anti-American view is world wide as you know. I regret that because I know it comes from evil, self serving people who stole my country and doesn't represent the population as a whole. This negative view is also purposely pushed in the media world wide because the aim is to take us down.

I've been on this forum for about 10 years and this anti-American view has been expressed only overtly a few times and it infuriates me, I'm sensitive to it unfortunately and I always remember it. I don't see this as a statement on the forum/group as a whole, I think your over all decent people and of course there are a lot of Americans here. One such remark could have been death to all Americans it was so vile, I called them out (not a regular member). It's in the background of my mind a lot because this is a international community and so much is discussed about the evils of my country and at times the ignorance of the people and their silly ideas about themselves. That's the reality in the world and its my problem to deal with.

I think Trump is surrounded by the deep state and he's trying to navigate 2 sides at once, the people and the others that have to much power. He's only been in office for 6 months and what we see are the limitations on what he can do in many cases so far. Maybe that will improve later on. He has to work with the big shots because they're the ones running operations that keep the country going.

His weakest position is probably what he can do with foreign affairs. He's trying but there's hard core opposition and his advisors aren't the best. He'd stop the weapons to Ukraine, the war and all the killing if he could is my take. An ugly, cringe and bombastic remark about Moscow for sure. He's trying to stop Russia's escalation in Ukraine but HE wouldn't actually bomb Moscow. Help for Africa has begun which is remarkable because they've been deadly screwed over. Maybe he can do the most here at home which I'm hopeful for,

I don't think I'm heavily invested in the aura of Trump which sounds a bit delusional, it's best to be realistic. That's probably the impression I've made here because I naively thought I could balance out the negativity with more positive news people may be interested in. I am heavily invested in the future survival of my country though and he represents that to me. But, really I don't know how that will go and not having expectations is good advise from the C's. I do like the man quit a bit though and I believe he's sincere in his aspirations to get the country back. He's been funky lately...I wondered today if he's under attack from 4D STS. The attacks could really accelerate coming up with the exposure of the Russia Gate crimes. The intention is to divide people as much as possible and "they" always wanted civil war.

So maybe it good this has come up and its been another dam learning experience for me .

The last 4 days have been energetically strange for me. An extra need in the effort to keep my balance in all areas. We had a very catastrophic blow up with a family member that did a lot of damage. I attribute this to rising energies and hyperkinetic sensate so something to be aware of and adding to increased friction which maybe happened here and around the world at this time. You sounded a little angry yourself Sottreader. These things happen sometimes. Best to let it go and not take it to seriously, yes?

It's totally normal and expected there will always be different opinions on things. My focus is on the problems of my country mainly but I'm very aware of the very serious things happening in all your countries as well and my heart goes out to you. Such Extreme times.

Very long winded! Thanks.

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[SummerLite]

CGI has gotten so good!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947394547627044944