Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Tristan]

Alreadyin4thDensity Love​

Yes, it was wishful thinking, of course, and linear thinking. The important point is that other events will intervene. Furthermore, I believe there is a lack of perspective when the hyperdimensional factor in 3D events is left out of the equation.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Fwiw , for some reason Mr. Ushakov's body language doesn't give me any happy go lucky feelings :\

He is as usual, IMO. See this video from last March or this one (2015, sitting here).

 

[Possibility of Being]

Zelensky says ‘it’s time to end the war’

RT picked up one detail, omitted others. Zelensky was very busy. What the delusional really said on Aug 7 (excerpts):

Spoke with German Chancellor Friedrich Merz. ... We coordinated our positions with Germany. Agreed to talk again with Friedrich. Security advisors will hold an online meeting today to align our common views – Ukraine and all of Europe, the United States.

Held a meeting on deep strikes – our completely justified responses to Russian attacks. ... It is important that the balance between our investments in various types of long-range weapons and their achievements is becoming more attractive for Ukraine. ... Priorities for deep strikes and our defensive productions were determined. Russia's attempts to prolong the war will come at a cost for them.

Spoke with French President Emmanuel Macron. Gave him our Ukrainian perspective on yesterday's conversation with President Trump and colleagues in Europe. Emmanuel informed me about his contacts with leaders ... We are coordinating our positions and equally see the necessity of a joint European view on key security issues for Europe. ... We remember that a real ceasefire is needed. Ukraine is ready for this, and so far there is no clear public response from Russia. So the near future must show what the consequences will be if Russia continues to drag out the war and disrupt constructive efforts.

Spoke with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and am very grateful for the support. Informed her about our conversation with President Trump and the existing diplomatic opportunities. Ukraine seeks a real and honest end to this war, and it is important for us that all of free Europe is with us on this path.

Thank you, Ursula, for the clear vision that a united Europe must participate in all processes concerning Ukraine. We are already in negotiations regarding accession, and Ukraine will be part of the European Union.

Met with the Romanian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Oana-Silvia Țoiu. ... Thanked her for the consistent assistance from Romania: military, political, logistical – and, of course, for the significant strengthening of our air defense. Russian shelling is a threat to the entire region, and the Romanian parliament's decision to shoot down drones entering Romanian airspace is entirely justified. We discussed what we can do together to protect our communities from aerial attacks.
We also talked about the security situation, diplomacy, training of Ukrainian military personnel in Romania, joint infrastructure and energy projects. There are concrete proposals on how to strengthen ties and security in the Black Sea region.

Spoke with Kristalina Georgieva, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund. ... We are doing everything possible to achieve a dignified and lasting peace this year. ... It was important to hear that the IMF sees: despite the war, Ukraine is fulfilling all obligations and implementing reforms. We discussed a new financial assistance program that will strengthen Ukrainians both now and in the post-war period. We are ready to quickly take all necessary steps. The government is already working on this.
We also talked about additional funding for our soldiers. We are considering various options. We will look for solutions together. Thank you!

All partners understand who must take steps to end this war. This is Russia's war, this is Russia's aggression, and it is Russia that must agree to a ceasefire and engage in real diplomacy that can guarantee peace. Ukraine has unequivocal support [...] , and I am extremely grateful to all our partners for that. Everyone also agrees that Russia's war against Ukraine is a war in Europe and against Europe. Every decision that will be made to end this war and guarantee security truly concerns all of Europe, not just one country. That's why Europe's voice must carry weight in the processes.

I spoke with the Prime Minister of Italy, Giorgia Meloni. It was a good conversation ... Giorgia clearly supports the position that European leaders must be involved in diplomatic work together with the USA to establish peace. This war is ongoing on the European continent, Ukraine is moving towards EU membership, and the European Union will participate in the restoration of our country after the war ends. Therefore, Europe's voice must definitely be taken into account.

Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrsky:

The war must end in a way that is beneficial to us. That is, we must win, not retreat. You cannot achieve victory in defense.

Another one of same kind, former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace:

Britain must be invited to peace talks to stop Zelensky from being bullied by Trump and Putin.

It doesn't look to me as if V.Z. is ready to end the war.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

It seems like Trump's team is preparing "wedding" for Zelensky.

I'm telling you, it's gonna be a "wedding without bride".

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

Hopefully Putin is not stupid enough to go anywhere except Mongolia and China and perhaps India to meet with Trump. Meeting in UAE could provide for perfect opportunity for some drone strike false flag attack to kill them both and maybe blame it on Houthis, Iran, Al Qaeda or some other imaginary organization.
UAE is firmly under Israeli grip and who knows what they have on them. In the past it was reported quite often that young Arabs sheiks were involved into orgies even including feces or whatever, maybe Mossad filmed them.

Hotel workers find rooms covered in human faeces from wild sex parties

Is this what they mean by the 'filthy rich'?

metro.co.uk

 

[Possibility of Being]

if Russians took the Kyiv immediately, we could maybe see the end of the war

It would probably be much less and that is why I was more in favor of short and decisive war

Point is when I say that Russia should have gone all in is that I mean that they probably should have announced full mobilization and send in way more soldiers.

There should have never been battle of Kyiv because it is pointless if you are superior, it should be encircled and than it is likely to fall

Napoleon had chance to take Russia to her knees if he acted in different way but that is another topic.

A4DL, not only you sound like a broken record, but you seem to be unaware that there are no "ifs" and "should haves" in (talking about) history since we don't have a carbon copy of this world to test alternatives. In other words, such claims carry no value as they cannot be proven (verified) or disproven (falsified). Time to cease to do so, it borders with noise.

Ukrainian war disaster is child of Russian political failures.

But Russians and their political leadership was stupid enough and ignorant enough to allow themselves to just let everything go and wither away without doing pretty much anything

Putin is perhaps delusional if he thinks that he can make agreement

This situation is Russian political failure,

Hopefully Putin is not stupid enough

Really? Then how and why Russia and her leadership are respected even by their Western "not-any-more partners"? Why Putin is considered one of the best, wisest, most considerate leaders and diplomats (if not THE best...) in 20-21ths centuries world-wide (with the exception of those parrots who just repeat the script handed to them)?

Is everyone else so wrong? Or perhaps you expect some super-human characteristics, and fast and easy solutions in this super-complex world? Do you really think you'd do much, much better?

Hopefully, you pause for a bit and think about it.

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

A4DL, not only you sound like a broken record, but you seem to be unaware that there are no "ifs" and "should haves" in (talking about) history since we don't have a carbon copy of this world to test alternatives. In other words, such claims carry no value as they cannot be proven (verified) or disproven (falsified). Time to cease to do so, it borders with noise.

I apologize if I sound to you like a broken record. However, topic is about Ukrainian war and I have right to voice my opinion, this is not censorship forum.
The very fact that Russia did not do things in a right way and finish a war in 2022 causes this war to be prolonged for 3,5 years and counting. Highly likely more than 1 million of people died (according to what analysts say, I did not count personally) immense destruction of properties and who knows how many of them displaced.

Did Putins government try to even think to get their money back home before war started ? West got a chance to size all of that money and feed Ukraine with weapons to kill Russians. Not very smart in my opinion.

But hey, Russians allowed themselves dissolution of Warsaw pact and not only dissolution but transfer of all it's members to NATO, dissolution of USSR, catastrophe of privatization in 1990s and so on.
Is it really wonder that they made mistakes in this war again ? Probably not.

War like this can continue for few more years if not resolved and you never know what can happen in the mean time. When things start like this they have tendency to go in a wrong direction. How many times in history obvious loser became a winner in the end, not only in wars but in many aspects of life ? Soooo many times.
But if we speak about war, War of the league of Cambrai is one of the examples, and taking into account that 2026 is likely to bring more surprises than Russians may have a headache in the end because of their approach with this war.

Similarly as Ottomans got their own headache when instead of finishing off Persians in 1590 they decided to make peace with Persians who lost immense amount of high quality land and were attacked by the Uzbeks on the east as well. They made a peace and Persians recognized Ottoman gains.
In 1593 Ottomans started new war against Habsburgs (which lasted until 1606) and Persians used their chance and attacked exhausted Ottomans in 1603 regaining lost lands.

Really? Then how and why Russia and her leadership are respected even by their Western "not-any-more partners"?

How do you know they are respected ? If they respect Russia and Russian people would they try to destroy their country and freedom ?
They maybe fear Russian nuclear weapons but I am not sure if they respect Russia, probably no !

Why Putin is considered one of the best, wisest, most considerate leaders and diplomats (if not THE best...) in 20-21ths centuries world-wide (with the exception of those parrots who just repeat the script handed to them)?

I also consider him like that. That is why I hope he does not get himself killed in some grotesque way by going to enemy country or country where he can not have good security.

Remember how Raisi and Abdollahian were killed.

Or perhaps you expect some super-human characteristics, and fast and easy solutions in this super-complex world?

Not really, just a bit of common sense. Would you give me your house if I ask you and go live in a tent ? Probably no.
But hey, if you did not mind to take a few excerpts from who knows how many of my posts, sometimes not even finishing whole sentence not to mention context. Than good luck to you, I wish you all the best my brother, much love to you.

 

[Possibility of Being]

The very fact that Russia did not do things in a right way and finish a war in 2022 causes this war to be prolonged for 3,5 years and counting.

Wrong. First, you don't know if Russia had a choice; you don't know she did not do what she did in a right way; and you don't know if it was even possible to do differently, so the premise has a value of 0. Not to mention that the phrase "to finish a war" is not defined, or, in the best case, defined poorly and can be used as fits.

Second, even if it was possible by any given definition, you don't know what it would cause. You present your assumption as a fact. But there are other possibilities.

Insisting on your thinking errors is not going to help you.

 

[axj]

Surprising that Putin agreed to meet Trump in the US, even if it is Alaska:

Trump reveals time and place of Putin summit

Putin and Trump will meet in Alaska next week, the US president has said

www.rt.com

Russia says that they received an acceptable offer from Trump. I wonder if it is really that good.

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

Wrong. First, you don't know if Russia had a choice; you don't know she did not do what she did in a right way; and you don't know if it was even possible to do differently, so the premise has a value of 0. Not to mention that the phrase "to finish a war" is not defined, or, in the best case, defined poorly and can be used as fits.

Second, even if it was possible by any given definition, you don't know what it would cause. You present your assumption as a fact. But there are other possibilities.

Insisting on your thinking errors is not going to help you.

Of course that there was a choice. When there is a will there is usually a way. Countries can generally mobilize up to 10% of their population in case of war, but even 5% is around 7 million if we take into account that Russia has around 140 million of people. You can now imagine what 7 million of soldiers can do if 200-300 thousands did what they did.

Secondly, it would likely not cause anything much different when it comes to response of neighboring countries. Poland and Romania did not really seem willing to engage in February and March 2022 and it would probably stay that way until Russians cross their border.

I usually do not like to present, especially my assumptions as fact, that is why I use words like : perhaps, maybe, likely.... if I make an assumption because I want to responsible with my words.
When it comes to "insisting my thinking errors", well, it is okay if you think like that but that is just your own perception of my words and sentences, it may not really be like that, but I do not mind taking advice or listening to others.

War is a ominous and bad thing and many of my writings are motivated with my feelings towards it. I whish this war would end soon. In the same time I can empathize with the victims and I feel sorry for those Ukrainians who are kidnapped from the street and sent to die basically against their own people. It really looks like a bad dream from certain perspective. If you would tell someone on the street in Kyiv in 1985 that Warsaw pact would not exist and not only that but that Russians and Ukrainians will fight each other in Donbass in 2014 (war started in 2014) they would likely question your sanity or sobriety.

 

[youlik]

Surprising that Putin agreed to meet Trump in the US, even if it is Alaska:

Well, what about it? Putin was an intelligence officer in his previous job, so he went on a reconnaissance mission. In fact, the idea of returning Alaska has never been zero in Russia. I'll give you a half-joking example. In the 90s, the pop group Lube was very popular in Russia, and one of its hits was the song "Don't Be a Fool, America." In the chorus of this song there are the following words: "give back the land-Alyasochka, give back your beloved," in fact, the whole theme of the song is dedicated to this. Let me remind you that it was in the 90s, when many of us prayed for the USA.
Watch the clip created for this song at the same time.

Well, let's look at the intelligence results. I do not rule out that in due time Putin will say about Alaska the same way he said recently at a meeting with Lukashenko about Ukraine: "we do not seize it, we will return it. This is ours."

That's interesting. Interestingly, it was the Order of Lenin that was transferred. In the USSR, this order was the highest order, but it had not been awarded to anyone for so long that I thought it had been abolished long ago. I asked, it turns out that there is no information about the abolition of this order, only now, according to its statute, the Order of Lenin is not the highest award. Now, as in the Russian Empire, the highest order is the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called. I personally perceive this as some kind of trolling. On the one hand, the unconditional recognition of the merits of being awarded such a high order, on the other hand, the Order of Lenin was sent to the CIA employer.

Putin handed Witkoff the Order of Lenin for a high-ranking CIA officer, Juliana Gallina, at the meeting, writes CBS News.

Her 21-year-old son, Michael Gloss, died in 2024 while participating in the war on the side of Russia.

Gallina holds the position of CIA Deputy Director for Digital Innovation. The exact circumstances of the award's transfer and its fate remain unclear.

Michael Gloss's obituary states that he "tragically died in Eastern Europe" on April 4, 2024. The father of the deceased, veteran of the Iraq campaign Larry Gloss, admitted in an interview with the Washington Post that neither he nor Gallina knew about his son's presence in Ukraine and his participation in the war.

The Order of Lenin is one of the highest awards of the USSR, which has never been awarded after its collapse.

This is probably so that all sorts of American-Europeans would not be in a hurry to relax. This means that Oreshnik cannot be intercepted because of its speed, but this Burevestnik can fly for years and no one knows where it will "land".

Russia may test the Burevestnik missile within the next 72 hours
. Russia closed a 500-kilometer stretch of airspace along the western coast of the Novaya Zemlya archipelago from August 7 to 12. According to preliminary data, the restriction is related to the testing of the latest Burevestnik strike system, a nuclear—powered cruise missile that, according to the Russian authorities, has an unlimited range of use.

Sources close to military circles report that the tests are conducted under conditions of increased secrecy. The Burevestnik, also known as the SSC-X-9 Skyfall according to the NATO classification, is part of Russia's strategic arsenal and is being developed for modern missile defense systems.

In recent days, an American WC-135R Constant Phoenix aircraft, known as the "nuclear sniffer," has been spotted near the closed area. The main task of this specialized aircraft is to monitor the atmosphere to detect traces of radioactive substances related to nuclear tests. The presence of the aircraft indicates the increased attention of the United States to possible tests of the Burevestnik.

At the time of publication, there were no official comments from the Russian Ministry of Defense or the United States regarding the testing or activity of the WC-135R.

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Ну а что? Путин по своей прежней работе разведчик, вот и поехал на разведку. На самом деле идея возврата Аляски никогда в России не была нулевой. Приведу такой полушутливый пример. В 90е в России была очень популярна поп-группа "Любэ" и одним из ее шлягеров была песня "Не валяй дурака, Америка". В припеве этой песни присутствуют следующие слова:" возвращай ка землицу-Алясочку, возвращай ка родимую взад", собственно и вся тема песни посвящена именно этому. Напомню, что это было в 90е, когда у нас многие молились на США.
Посмотрите клип, созданный на эту песню тогда же.
Что же, посмотрим на результаты разведки. Я не исключаю, что в свое время Путин скажет про Аляску так же, как он сказал недавно при встрече с Лукашенко про украину:" Не захватим-вернем. Это наше."
Вот это интересно. Интересно то, что именно Орден Ленина был передан. В СССР этот орден был высшим орденом, но им никого не награждали уже так давно, что я думал он давно отменен. Поинтересовался, оказывается нет никакой информации об отмене этого ордена, только теперь по своему статуту Орден Ленина на является высшей наградой. Теперь у нас, как и в Российской Империи высшим орденом является Орден Андрея Первозванного. Я лично это воспринимаю, как некий троллинг. С одной стороны безусловное признание заслуг награждаемого столь высоким орденом, с другой стороны Орден Ленина послан ЦРУшнице.
Это, видимо, для того, чтобы всякие американо-европейцы не спешили расслабляться. Значит Орешник невозможно перехватить из-за его скорости, а этот Буревестник может летать годами и где он "приземлится" никому не ведомо.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Of course that there was a choice.

Looks like you know it for certain. Including the price that would go with it, all the known and unknown to be taken into account, and multiple interests to be considered (the reality on the ground, so to say).

When there is a will there is usually a way. Countries can generally mobilize up to 10% of their population in case of war, but even 5% is around 7 million if we take into account that Russia has around 140 million of people. You can now imagine what 7 million of soldiers can do if 200-300 thousands did what they did.

Apparently, there was no will, so what's the point in those speculations? Russians have a term for it: armchair hurrah-patriots.

You say 7 million of soldiers, but we don't live in the time of the 1WW, and I'll skip other concerns your idea raises. But let's look at it anyway. Your 5%=7M includes children, women, and elders. Are you really not aware of it? Or you are, but assume no one will notice?

Here is a simple calculation:

Approximately, the total population of RF is about 140M. Within the age range of 18-40 years old is about 35% of that, i.e. some 49M. About a half of it are women, so we get ~25M men of conscription age. 7M is almost 30% of that. Every third or forth man in his prime would need to be conscripted. Please note that this is the group that is most productive. Can you imagine the impact, social and economical? Can you imagine the reaction of both, Russia's allies and her foes?

I usually do not like to present, especially my assumptions as fact, that is why I use words like : perhaps, maybe, likely.... if I make an assumption because I want to responsible with my words.

See above, not much responsibility shown in dumping the numbers.

And throwing in "perhaps" words becomes meaningless when the same assumptions are repeated again and again, and in each post you double down on your assumptions.

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

You say 7 million of soldiers, but we don't live in the time of the 1WW, and I'll skip other concerns your idea raises. But let's look at it anyway. Your 5%=7M includes children, women, and elders. Are you really not aware of it? Or you are, but assume no one will notice?

Here is a simple calculation:

Approximately, the total population of RF is about 140M. Within the age range of 18-40 years old is about 35% of that, i.e. some 49M. About a half of it are women, so we get ~25M men of conscription age. 7M is almost 30% of that. Every third or forth man in his prime would need to be conscripted. Please note that this is the group that is most productive. Can you imagine the impact, social and economical? Can you imagine the reaction of both, Russia's allies and her foes?

You are definitely right. Around every 4th man would need to be mobilized age 18-49, according to my calculations in 2022 there were probably around 28-32 millions of males(18-49). I also agree that it would have big impact on economy and some people would likely want to escape it. But war is like that unfortunately.

 

[lilies]

SURPRISE: Incoming Oreshnik rumor for the second time since page 929 of this thread.
HEARSAY:
- Not only the system is in mass production, but soon mass Oreshnik deployment in Ukraine and elsewhere imminent, if necessary.
What?!
I thought it was only an experimental system..

- "Oreshnik is being deployed to the front line. It has been in serial production for a while. And we have other types of 'balance shifters' weapons [brought to you by Russia as well]."

A surprise peace deal offer from Team Trump. Magical Alaska location, no less.. In such a hurry? So that Team Trump could FORCE END the Ukrainian war, BEFORE the evil Russkies obliterate the Ukrainian frontlines with a nice carpet bombardment from Mr. Oreshnik??

But then, we thought last year that the idiotic North Korean troops RUMOR on Ukrainian soil was a ridiculous CIA BS spread just to generate hysteria as well.. Now this year look at all the masses of North Korean specialist troops [f]actually present, their green berets and thousands of sappers / military engineers working in Ukraine.. :-oo

This happens when We The People are not briefed on the latest top secret intel of the American and Russian Secret Services.. :D

Source.

 

[Huila]

Surprising that Putin agreed to meet Trump in the US, even if it is Alaska:

Trump reveals time and place of Putin summit

Putin and Trump will meet in Alaska next week, the US president has said

www.rt.com

Russia says that they received an acceptable offer from Trump. I wonder if it is really that good.

According to Elvira Bary the offer includes:

Very strange - and potentially explosive - news coming out of both Putin’s and Trump’s camps. Donald Trump has just announced he’ll be meeting Vladimir Putin next Friday… in Alaska… for a face-to-face talk. According to the BBC, the proposed deal on the table looks like this: Russia keeps Crimea and takes full control of the Donbas region (Donetsk and Luhansk)…In return, Moscow gives up Kherson and Zaporizhzhia — areas it currently holds partially by force. If true, that means Putin would essentially gain (the port of) Mariupol - but lose the critical land bridge to Crimea in Zaporizhzhia. In other words: a half-ruined city in exchange for one of his biggest strategic prizes. This raises some big questions. The pro-war Russian public has been told for three and a half years that Russia has been “winning” nonstop. How will they react when reality smacks them in the face? Two possibilities come to mind: The Alaska meeting is a trap. Putin never intends to agree to this - he’s going for another agenda and will try to outmaneuver Trump. The Russian economy is in far worse shape than we think. The threat of Trump’s promised new sanctions might be so severe that Putin feels forced to cut his losses, which probably means he lost control already. Either way, next Friday could be one of those days historians write about for decades. What’s your take — genuine peace move or high-stakes bluff?