Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[axj]

According to Elvira Bary the offer includes:

I don't think that Russia will give up the two regions that are the land bridge to Crimea. BBC is completely deluded if they think that.

Well, what about it? Putin was an intelligence officer in his previous job, so he went on a reconnaissance mission. In fact, the idea of returning Alaska has never been zero in Russia.

I meant that it is surprising that Putin deemed Alaska as a secure place to meet. I doubt that this has anything to do with returning Alaska to Russia.

 

[axj]

This outcome seems more likely:

So what’s the likeliest outcome if the Putin-Trump meeting does happen?

Probably a set of grand, dramatic, but ultimately empty promises – just enough for Trump to tick the ‘peacemaker’ box on his personal scoreboard, and just as quickly forgotten. At best, we might get a document with the fate of the first Minsk agreement: signed in the fall of 2014, it was followed by another six months of fighting that ended with Ukraine’s defeat at Debaltseve, paving the way for Minsk-2 – a deal that held for the next several years.

Cold hard land, cold hard bargain: Putin and Trump head off to Alaska

From a stalled war to a broken oil embargo, the Kremlin’s leverage has never looked stronger ahead of the August summit

www.rt.com

 

[Seato]

Surprising that Putin agreed to meet Trump in the US, even if it is Alaska:

Alaska has the advantages of being a relatively short trip from Russia and being USA territory, the US can better control security and being far from outside forces who might wish to disrupt it or bring harm to the Russian President. There is of course a risk from forces in the USA itself but the resulting escalation would go immediately to WW3 and would destroy any diplomatic credibility the US has left after the Iran debacle. With no way to avert the blame from the US in such a situation it would seem unlikely. Ultimately, it’s a risk Putin seems willing to take, it remains to be seen whether it will be worth it.
Not only does Alaska provide a level of security it allows Trump to frame the situation as Putin coming to him rather than the other way round; important for appearances given the weak negotiating position of the US. Though its clear it was very much Witkoff who asked for this meeting on behalf of Trump. Trump needs some progress on the Ukraine issue to avoid his own Russia and allies sanction ultimatum that would backfire on the US.
As pointed out by the folk at ‘The Duran’ Youtube channel this move also means the summit is also isolated from the UK, the EU and Zelensky and Ukraine. Already the aforementioned parties are panicking and have organised a joint meeting today.

Trumps own words should be taken with caution given how much he can shift from one day to the next and the current plan is for the meeting to take place on the 15th August still days away. Messaging from him and the Whitehouse has been chaotic and I increasingly get the impression Trump is ‘winging it’ to some extent. Currently Trump is suggesting an exchange of territory will be agreed as mentioned in the above posts.

I’m not sure what to expect out of this, will it end up as anything more than a media spectacle? Afterall, even if an agreement is made will Trump be able to enforce it? There may also be sudden attempts to escalate the situation from previously mentioned troublemakers and derail the threat of peace talks.
Final thoughts. Trump wants a show, Putin wants a lasting peace each may be open to compromise if it will reach these goals.

 

[axj]

There is of course a risk from forces in the USA itself but the resulting escalation would go immediately to WW3 and would destroy any diplomatic credibility the US has left after the Iran debacle. With no way to avert the blame from the US in such a situation it would seem unlikely.

Such a scenario may be exactly what the globalists want. The globalist-controlled EU does not want peace with Russia and a lot of the deep state in the US is still controlled by the globalists.

Afterall, even if an agreement is made will Trump be able to enforce it?

Maybe that is what Russia counts on. Even if there is an agreement but Ukraine refuses to accept it, it could lead to Trump putting pressure on Ukraine, eg. stopping weapons deliveries or satellite intelligence sharing. Which in turn will make the war end quicker.

 

[youlik]

I meant that it is surprising that Putin deemed Alaska as a secure place to meet. I doubt that this has anything to do with returning Alaska to Russia.

There is no need to doubt. This obviously has nothing to do with Alaska's return. This is still a long way off, but to conduct reconnaissance on the ground-only a professional can appreciate the value of this event!

In fact, I wrote more about the return of Alaska as a joke, this is definitely not the agenda of today, however, as the well-known saying says, there is some truth in every joke.

Interesting fantasies arise about the upcoming negotiations. The Poles from ONET were the first to share their fantasies, disguised as secret insiders, with us, and now the BBC and all of them, simply put, have Russia falling apart and trying with all its might to save at least something, and therefore, as the blond, eternally unkempt figure said.: "Let's just fight."

I do not know for sure, maybe Russia is actually falling apart, which for some reason I personally doubt, but I will draw a light structure. The so-called new regions of Russia, namely the Donetsk People's Republic, the Lugansk People's Republic, the Kherson region and the Zaporizhia region are included in Russia under the Constitution, and they are included within their administrative borders, especially the Crimea. At the same time, in Russia, it is prohibited by law to make decisions aimed at alienating constitutional territories. It follows that Putin or any other figure who makes decisions similar to the BBC's assumptions becomes a criminal under Russian law. Thus, by making such a decision, Putin, fiercely hated by the West, puts himself under pressure with his own hands. The whole notorious West will not fail to shout at the whole world about the illegitimacy of the Russian President. Does he need it? All this nonsense, and without having a formal reason, has been screaming about it for how many years, using far-fetched arguments such as democratic succession of power, etc., and what would happen if such a real reason appeared. We can add to this that both Putin and Lavrov have repeatedly and publicly stated that the issues of constitutional Russian territories are not discussed at any negotiations, and these guys do not have a reputation for empty babblers.

We still have some liberated territories in Sumy, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk regions. There are possible options here, although it may not be without uncomfortable questions within Russia. The fact is that Putin once said that any territory where a Russian soldier sets foot belongs to Russia. This is where questions may arise.

This is such a lightweight design.

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Не надо сомневаться. Это очевидно не связано с возвращением Аляски. До этого еще далеко, но вот провести разведку на местности-ценность этого мероприятия может оценить только профессионал!
На самом деле о возвращении Аляски я написал больше в шутку, это точно не повестка сегодняшнего дня, однако, как говорит известная поговорка- в каждой шутке есть доля правды.
Интересные фантазии возникают по поводу предстоящих переговоров. Первыми, на сколько мне известно, своими фантазиями, облаченными в вид секретных инсайдов, с нами поделились поляки из ONET, теперь вот BBC и у всех у них, попросту говоря, Россия разваливается и пытается из последних сил спасти хоть что то и поэтому, как говорил белобрысый, вечно нечесаный деятель: "Давайте просто воевать".
Я не знаю наверняка, может Россия и разваливается на самом деле, в чем лично я почему то сомневаюсь, но я нарисую легкую конструкцию. Так называемые новые регионы России, а именно Донецкая Народная Республика, Луганская Народная Республика, Херсонская область и Запорожская область включены в состав России по Конституции, причем включены они в своих административных границах, тем более это касается Крыма. Вместе с тем в России по закону запрещено принимать решения, направленные на отчуждение конституционных территорий. Из этого следует, что Путин или любой другой деятель, принимающий решения подобные предположениям BBC, становится преступником по Российскому закону. Таким образом, принимая подобное решение, люто ненавидимый Западом Путин своими руками подставляет себя под пресс. Весь этот пресловутый Запад не преминет разораться на весь мир о нелегитимности Российского Президента. Оно ему надо? Вся эта шобла и не имея формального повода уже сколько лет вопит об этом, используя притянутые за уши аргументы типа демократической сменяемости власти и пр., а уж что тут начнется появись такой реальный повод. К этому можно добавить, что и Путиным и Лавровым неоднократно и публично было заявлено, что вопросы конституционных Российских территорий не обсуждаются ни на каких переговорах, а эти ребята не имеют репутации пустых балаболов.
У нас еще есть некоторые освобожденные территории в Сумской, Харьковской и Днепропетровской областях. Вот здесь возможны варианты, хотя и здесь может не обойтись без неудобных вопросов внутри России. Дело в том, что Путин однажды сказал, что любая территория, куда ступила нога Российского солдата, принадлежит России. Вот тут и могут возникнуть вопросы.
Вот такая легкая конструкция получается.

 

[f1esk]

Dmitry Medvedev suggested that Trump send American special forces to Kyiv:

"While the Euroimbeciles are trying to prevent American attempts to help resolve the Ukrainian conflict, the agonizing Bandera regime is panicking and recruiting the most vile scum of humanity to the front. It has reached the level of killers from the cartels of Colombia and Mexico, whose names are known to the whole world from reports and TV series about drug crime: "Clan del Golfo", "Sinaloa", "Jalisco Nueva Generacion" and others. The company "Segurkol Ltd" from Medellin is engaged in recruiting thugs.

True, the drug mercenaries, although thugs, are shitty soldiers. The only thing these scumbags can do is cut off the heads of civilians in a drug frenzy. That is why our soldiers destroy them so quickly that shippers do not have time to pick up the coffins of all those who did not find peace in the damp earth.

It is clear that the Medellin and Sinaloa freaks are close to everyone who consumes their snow-white products on Bankova. But the Americans, judging by the article in The New York Times from 8/08, should think twice.

Mercenaries are taught everything, including how to operate UAVs, which can be very useful when delivering drugs to the United States. This is much more effective than airplanes and submarines.

And if the US President really ordered the Pentagon to prepare strikes against drug cartels in Latin America using army units, then there is a better option. We need to send their army special forces to Kyiv, where they can conduct a brilliant anti-terrorist operation to exterminate drug mercenaries without any risks to life.

You can also shoot in the building on Bankova, there are plenty of devoted fans of Pablo Escobar and Fabio Ochoa Vasquez there."

Spoiler: русский

"Пока евроимбецилы пытаются воспрепятствовать американским попыткам помочь в разрешении украинского конфликта, агонизирующий бандеровский режим
в панике рекрутирует на фронт самые мерзкие отбросы человечества. Дело дошло до убийц из картелей Колумбии и Мексики, названия которых известны всему миру по репортажам и сериалам про наркопреступность: «Клан дель Гольфо», «Синалоа», «Халиско нуэва генерасьон» и другие. Набором головорезов занимается компания «Сегюркол Лтд» из Медельина.

Правда, нарконаëмники хоть и головорезы, но солдаты из них дерьмовые. Отморозки умеют только отсекать головы мирным жителям в наркотическом угаре. Поэтому наши воины уничтожают их так быстро, что грузоотправители не успевают забирать гробы всех, кто не нашëл покоя в сырой земле.

Понятно, что медельинские и синалойские уродцы близки всем, кто потребляет на Банковой их белоснежную продукцию. Но вот американцам, судя по статье в The New York Times от 8/08, стоило бы призадуматься.

Наëмников учат всему, в том числе управлению БПЛА, что может очень пригодиться при доставке наркотиков в США. Это гораздо эффективнее самолëтов и подводных лодок.

И если президент США своей директивой действительно поручил Пентагону готовить удары по наркокартелям в Латинской Америке с использованием армейских подразделений, то есть вариант получше. Надо отправить их армейский спецназ в Киев, где он сможет провести блестящую антитеррористическую операцию по истреблению нарконаëмников без каких-либо рисков для жизни.

Можно и в здании на Банковой пострелять, там хватает преданных поклонников Пабло Эскобара и Фабио Очоа Васкеса".

 

[Possibility of Being]

Interesting fantasies arise about the upcoming negotiations. The Poles from ONET were the first to share their fantasies, disguised as secret insiders, with us, and now the BBC and all of them, simply put,

Saw it all over Russian news and agree that the western press like BBC most likely picked it up from Onet. There is one thing that Russian press omitted: Onet is fully owned by German (formally, Swiss-German) huge media corporation. In Poland it's often called Polish-language German portal. So basically, it was a fake leak planted by European hawks and carried out by German hands using third party's platform, so to separate it from the original source (3rd level of separation), I believe.
EU is really desperate to disrupt any peace talks concerning Ukraine.

 

[f1esk]

EU is really desperate to disrupt any peace talks concerning Ukraine.

Assholes want through their special services -> British -> European. + Several pieces of shit called Zelensky, Yermak.
Dangerous situation, there will be provocations and victims. On Monday, a fall in stock exchanges is expected against the background of escalation from Europe and Ukraine.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Watched the latest conversation with Mark Sleboda on Dialogue Works YT channel last night and liked it.

It starts with Mark describing the current pickle Trump put himself in, how the RF, China and India called his bluffs, his growing frustration - all that in attempt to understand why Trump sent Witkoff to Moscow and after all those deadlines and threats he's suddenly turned to diplomacy. He thinks though that nothing is going to come out of the talks unless Zelensky's regime and Europe approve it and they are not going to do so. In his opinion, the Kremlin is aware it's going to be fruitless, but decided to 'please' Trump to help him abandon Ukraine with her war.

After about half an hour, Mark shares his take on the Alaska adventure (he doesn't like the choice); it goes for about 20-30 min. A bit later he emphasises the level of hatred Z's regime and the banderist part of Ukraine feels toward Russia, which should not be underestimated.

Then he talks about MAGA and moves to Armenia/Azerbaijan issue.

It's worth watching in full, but for the Alaska episode, you could jump to ~30min time stamp, or skip the last 20 min or so.

 

[Aeneas]

Of course that there was a choice. When there is a will there is usually a way. Countries can generally mobilize up to 10% of their population in case of war, but even 5% is around 7 million if we take into account that Russia has around 140 million of people. You can now imagine what 7 million of soldiers can do if 200-300 thousands did what they did.

It is certainly a point that armchair generals have voiced. Yet, in the real world things take time and logistics. Let us just stick with your 7 million. How long will it be before they have gone through the process of selecting them as it is a process with medical checks etc. ? Let us say that it takes 3 months. Now they have to be dressed but with what? 7 million uniforms have to be produced unless you count them going in flip-flops and their personal clothes. So factories have to be built to make clothes. Then there is the issue of weapons, which have to be produced. Again new factories have to be built. After this they have to be trained which takes close to a year unless you go for Ukrainian style meat assaults where one day a guy is on his way to work and the next week he finds himself in a trench. Then there is the point of having armored vehicles for 7 million people. Then you need to also have a leadership of all these new people and they are not produced overnight. And on and on.

Yet, what you propose is how NATO leaders think, namely of promising weapons or ammunition or Patriots or soldiers where there are none. Pure phantasy. As Joe probably would say, then such people can't even find their way out of a wet paperbag. Luckily Russia is guided by people with more common sense and more grounded in reality.

 

[Ursus Minor]

I meant that it is surprising that Putin deemed Alaska as a secure place to meet. I doubt that this has anything to do with returning Alaska to Russia.

I think choosing Alaska was a stroke of genius.

Instead of flying around an unsecure world both heads of state are mainly crossing home territory with Putin only doing a short foray into the U.S.

I especially like the short time span between the announcement and the arrival in Alaska.

The evil intelligence agencies hopefully will not have sufficient time to arrange assassination scenarios.

I wouldn't even be surprised if this '50 down to 10 days' deadline business was cooked up to conceal the intentions and preparations for the upcoming event.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

It is strange that they let over 2000 nuclear tests happen, though maybe underground tests are less disruptive to them?

I don't know, but keep in mind that another possible reason why they don't like nuclear weapons would be the danger of the situation escalating and the food source for the hyperdimensional controllers being too diminished.

Putin is perhaps delusional if he thinks that he can make agreement with the west in which Ukraine will abandon areas in 4 governorates : Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson and Luhansk (although Russians almost captured whole of Luhansk ) not to mention Ukraine disarming itself.

The Russians are being diplomatic as always. Putin knows very well that he cannot trust the West (nor the dark forces that really govern it) and has already said that he will not trust them again nor will he give in until all the objectives of the SMO are met... If there is a ceasefire regardless of whether it is favorable to Ukraine, it would be because the Russians perceive that it would also be favorable for their own plans.

Again, I say that it would be the best for the Russians if they defeated Ukraine in 2022 and than made decision what to do with it.

In this way prolonged war caused perhaps over 1 million dead people on both sides, huge destruction and a lot of displacement of civilians as well as chance for the West to pour weapons in Ukraine to use them as battering ram against Russians.

It's better to displace civilians than have them die in much more destructive attacks.
Modern wars are much more expensive and unsustainable. Bringing in more troops would certainly have sped things up, but not enough to end the conflict as quickly as you imagine, so the economic impact would have been unsustainable and would have seriously compromised the Russian economy.

The only way out of this faster would have been to disrespect the lives of Ukrainian civilians.

And Russia also said it cannot commit its entire military to Ukraine because part of it must be dedicated to defense in the event of a conflict with NATO.

This war if continues like this can for several more years and in the meantime anything can happen. Russia currently chose to advance slowly and to focus on minimizing their casualties while destroying Ukrainian man and equipment, but will such approach in the end be to the detriment of the Russia ?

You present the whole thing as a catastrophe for Russia, when the reality is that despite the difficulties, they have remained steadfast, and Ukraine, on the other hand, is becoming an unviable country that will likely be dismembered because it can't fix its economy and debts on its own.

Let's wait and see what happens, the facts and not the words. Trump probably doesn't want to disassociate himself from the “Biden's war,” but rather from the defeat. IMHO

I second what you said. I also think it's possible that Trump's back-and-forth in this case is an attempt to get the best deal for himself and the US.
He partly wants the Nobel Prize at all costs, but more than that, he knows that Ukraine can't win and that at the same time, it's unthinkable to let Russia win. So his best course of action, both for his country's image, to partially silence the pressures of the establishment, and to win his prize, is to reach a peace treaty now before Russia takes more territories (deluded!).

Perhaps after these talks, if everything goes relatively well, he'll shift to blaming Zelensky... then he'll blame Russia again, and continue doing so as he sees fit to try to achieve his own vision of how things should be.

By the way, it has been mentioned, as expected, and given Ukraine's history of a possible false flag event occurring, it is worth mentioning that there are rumors of an attempt to repeat the Kursk incident, which was good for propaganda, but this time in the Russian region of Bryansk, located in northern Ukraine.
The truth is that the atmosphere is heating up in the area:

August 4th
About 50k Ukrainian Armed Forces are concentrated in the Chernihiv region — just a few kilometers from the border with the Bryansk region. Half of them are mercenaries from Turkey, Poland, and Georgia. The goal is another attempt to break through the Russian state border.

According to Mash, just in the past week, our border guards and airborne troops repelled about 10 small group attacks and eliminated 3–4 Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups in the Klimovsky district of the Bryansk region. The field headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are located in Horodnia, Koriukivka, and Novhorod-Siverskyi in the Chernihiv region. Recently, the Ukrainian army used a fiber-optic drone to blow up a bridge on the Novye Yurkivichi – Klimovo road near the village of Rudnya-Tsata.

According to our data, the Ukrainian Armed Forces began accumulating their reserves near the Bryansk region almost immediately after being pushed out of the Kursk region — the first field headquarters were established in May.

The Russian army has significantly strengthened its grouping on the border with the Bryansk region — sabotage groups are being eliminated, and aviation has been reinforced 150 km from the border.

Detailed information about the successes of the Russian Armed Forces in the special military operation is available on our operational map.

Mash

Около 50к ВСУшников сконцентрированы в Черниговской области — в нескольких километрах от границы с Брянской областью. Половина из них — наёмники из Турции, Польши и Грузии. Цель — очередная попытка прорыва госграницы РФ. По информации Mash, только за последнюю неделю наши пограничники и бойцы...

t.me

August 9th
A Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group of 30 people attempted to infiltrate the territory of the Russian Federation near the village of Manev in the Bryansk region. Around 6 a.m., our border guards discovered them and repelled the attack.

According to Mash, part of a group of Western mercenaries, about whom we wrote here, tried to break into the territory of the Russian Federation. Multiple launch rocket systems, artillery, and aviation were used against the attackers. At least four were killed, and the survivors are trying to retreat to their original positions.

The Russian Armed Forces repelled the attack; the border breach was prevented.

Mash

Украинская ДРГ в составе 30 человек попыталась проникнуть на территорию РФ в районе села Манев Брянской области. Около 6 утра их обнаружили наши пограничники и отбили атаку. По данным Mash, на территорию РФ пыталась прорваться часть группировки западных наёмников, про которых мы писали тут. По...

t.me

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

It is certainly a point that armchair generals have voiced. Yet, in the real world things take time and logistics. Let us just stick with your 7 million. How long will it be before they have gone through the process of selecting them as it is a process with medical checks etc. ? Let us say that it takes 3 months. Now they have to be dressed but with what? 7 million uniforms have to be produced unless you count them going in flip-flops and their personal clothes. So factories have to be built to make clothes. Then there is the issue of weapons, which have to be produced. Again new factories have to be built. After this they have to be trained which takes close to a year unless you go for Ukrainian style meat assaults where one day a guy is on his way to work and the next week he finds himself in a trench. Then there is the point of having armored vehicles for 7 million people. Then you need to also have a leadership of all these new people and they are not produced overnight. And on and on.

Yet, what you propose is how NATO leaders think, namely of promising weapons or ammunition or Patriots or soldiers where there are none. Pure phantasy. As Joe probably would say, then such people can't even find their way out of a wet paperbag. Luckily Russia is guided by people with more common sense and more grounded in reality.

Thing is that out of these 7 millions of soldiers only 700 000-1 100 000 would actually see combat operations because in military you have something that is called tooth to tail ratio which means how many soldiers you need to supply and support one combat soldier and nowadays (if you have plenty of man available) that ratio is between 1:5 or 1:9 what would mean 1 solider fighting and 8 or 9 of them support him.

Many of the combat soldiers are obviously used to just hold the line behind the frontline or to simply consolidate taken areas.
It's not easy for me to speculate how many weapons Russians have or uniforms, but certainly millions if you take into account how many soldiers and reservists they have.

After this they have to be trained which takes close to a year unless you go for Ukrainian style meat assaults where one day a guy is on his way to work and the next week he finds himself in a trench.

Military service and conscription in Russia are compulsory.

 

[Seppo Ilmarinen]

It is certainly a point that armchair generals have voiced. Yet, in the real world things take time and logistics

True, and there's also the fact that the SMO has left Russia much more room for escalation and response, where as the West has more or less exhausted their resources with their endless sanctions and overextended financial & military commitment, both which have failed.

Russia instead has now time on her side, thanks to their patience during a direct war against a Nato proxy. They also had to take into account global politics and diplomacy, how other countries (e.g BRICS allies) view their actions (and their own citizens with ties to Ukraine). Also smaller scale mobilization means more gradual shift into war economy, which is more sustainable.

There is a lot of factors involved and winning a war takes more strategy than just throwing all your manpower into the battlefield and hoping for the best. I'm sure there's military choices made by Russia that can be criticized for good reasons but the big picture and how they decided to fight against Ukraine/Nato has proven to be correct one, IMO.

When the history of this war is written and researched, Russia will be viewed through this lens, whereas the collective West will be seen as the exact opposite; implementing dirty tactics throughout the conflict/war, wasting resources without any thought and cynically using Ukrainians as expendable cannon fodder.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

US is not going to fund Ukraine anymore, but if the Europeans want to buy weapons from American producers the US will be okay with that, the US Vice President J.D. Vance said.