Nick Fuentes, from troll king to... leader of a true 'America First' movement?

Good to apply ponerological analysis to this. 'Spellbinder' or 'asthenic psychopathy' come to mind. What weighs against that, however, is that we live in a time of 'maturing' or even full-blown pathocracy, and Fuentes isn't 'on the team' - that is, in govt, or a proven 'paid agitator'. Not yet anyway, or not that we know of yet anyway.
Before the last session, and after reading A Jay's questions, I though a possible answer to the question of which, if any, personality disorder Fuentes has would be either "psychopath" or "paranoid." I based this mainly on a couple statements Lobaczewski made about spellbinders. When the C's responded something like mild paranoid schizophrenia, that made sense. Basically paranoid/schizoid - or "Cluster A" in the old DSM models.

According to Lobaczewski's schema (which may not be totally accurate), characteropaths (e.g. paranoids) and schizoids are mostly only active in the initial stages of a pathocracy, but they are not exclusively pathocratic. Schizoids retain weak links with the world of normal people, and characteropaths can be regime critics. Only psychopaths end up being totally on the side of the pathocracy - and that probably only after the purges that make a pathocracy "full-blown." There are still plenty of conservative/right-wing or even non-aligned psychopaths, IMO.
 
That's a pretty awesome analysis IMO.
It's a sour and nihilistic interpretation. Should the entirety of popular debate, within any country, be akin to that of commercial branding, what you essentially get is a nonsensical churning of fantasy, conviction, and eventual disillusionment, as the wide-spread value identification with those ideas, is orphaned from the overall goal of the political process: stability.

It gets even better, as that "branding" that people use for political identification, is just another form of the mark of the beast. The hot irons of whatever logo you want, get applied directly to your forehead, where it affects you so deeply, that it burns through your skull, and it detriments your pre-frontal cortex functions of reasoning, judgment, et.c. It's so striking, that people can identify to what brand of slavery you belong to, from afar.

Funny how that works...

Wikipedia: Psychopathy

Dysfunctions in the prefrontal cortex and amygdala regions of the brain have been associated with specific learning impairments in psychopathy. Damage to the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, which regulates the activity in the amygdala, leads to common characteristics in psychopathic individuals.

It's like this stuff spreads like a virus, and the only antidote is logic.

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Before the last session, and after reading A Jay's questions, I though a possible answer to the question of which, if any, personality disorder Fuentes has would be either "psychopath" or "paranoid."

Schizophrenia is a perceptive/associative disorder. Seeing/hearing scary demons that aren't there, which impinge on your visceral affect, is different from you just being a complete antisocial manipulator, who "sees" 3D life exactly like normal people do. That's just my take.
 
I think there are a number of things we probably should be careful about when assessing people and/or "following" what they say and do. For example, I personally think there are a number of serious "red flags" I tend to be careful about that raise alarm bells for me as soon as I notice them. For example, when somebody has shown behaviors that tell me that something in the character of a person could very well be seriously wrong, indecent and/or bad. Yes, there are many things most if not all people including pathological and not pathological people can say or do that are bad, but some things for me are just so extreme and indecent and sort of revealing of the sort of character a person has, that I tend to be very careful and critical about them ever after.

In Nicks case for example, even though, as said, I just recently discovered that this guy even exists, a number of the things I heard and have seen about and from him since then immediately put me on guard, and I wasn't really interested in following him, and instead I decided to stick to other people. A number of those (what could maybe be called) serious character flaws, that caught my attention, are: Apparently joking and/or making allusions to pedophilia being not so bad. Secondly, he seems to have not so many problems with betrayal in one way or the other, for example, betrayal of trust. Thirdly, he seems to have little problems misbehaving in someone else's house, or more correctly, play decent in someone else's house and towards the people there and then turn around and throw them under the bus. Fourthly, he seems to have a pretty strange/indecent and probably pathological view of woman.

Some things a person can do or say just point to a pretty rotten personality/character to me, and it raises alarm bells. When some people say or do certain things that just seem to be so rotten, I tend to be careful. And I don't think a rotten character necessarily has to be a Psychopath, either. There can be many reasons for that, but what it tells me is that there is a good likelihood that something might be rotten with the personality/character of that person. Better be safe than sorry. If you think about it, there are a number of things a person can say and/or do that not even half decent person would probably ever say or do. And also, I think, even if we account for people being able to change positively over time, there are just a number of things that are so rotten, that I think, generally speaking, it is very hard and/or unlikely that a person that displays such characteristics can significantly change over a lifetime. It is always good to give people the benefit of a doubt and also give the idea credence that people can change to the positive over time, but when a person has displayed rather extreme forms of what I would call rotten behaviors I will be on guard as well and also assume the likelihood that the person has not changed, or maybe, not enough to be in the decent range.
 
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Not a good example for young men here. And certainly not Christian:

...aaaannnnnddd any hope of uniting - between these two anyway - is gone:


I went back and watched an extended clip of Fuentes's last show before his 'eulogy' to Kirk. It was about the savage who slashed the Ukrainian girl. Great rant, his usual channeling of righteous indignation, and even some reasonable caution that "it's obviously not all Blacks..."

...but then he segued into what you hear him say about Owens above. :shock:

I don't think he's sane enough to separate objective reality from how he's feeling in the moment.
 
So to all defending Nick Fuentes, is this still high IQ? Disaffected young white man victim? Spitting facts and all of that? "Full of good intentions"? Or is he a bipolar sociopath yet?
 
I really don't see the appeal of this guy. He's obnoxious, smug and neurotic to the extreme. Additionally, he's a hateful, racist a***ole.

He's putting on this show of being edgy and joking around, but his "jokes" aren't funny at all and the fact is that he pretty much says what he actually thinks.

Top it off with the fact that he's most likely a pedophile and his entire groyper movement seems to be steeped in it, as well.
I bet groyper is just their cute inside joke that refers to them being gropers.

I think this can only appeal to kids under 25 with serious self-esteem issues.

The guy's a complete zero in my book and if I saw him in the street, I'd walk the other way. Who talks about another person the way he talked about Candace? That was seriously deranged. And look at his face while he's doing it. He's poison.
 
I really don't see the appeal of this guy. He's obnoxious, smug and neurotic to the extreme. Additionally, he's a hateful, racist a***ole.

He's putting on this show of being edgy and joking around, but his "jokes" aren't funny at all and the fact is that he pretty much says what he actually thinks.

Top it off with the fact that he's most likely a pedophile and his entire groyper movement seems to be steeped in it, as well.
I bet groyper is just their cute inside joke that refers to them being gropers.

I think this can only appeal to kids under 25 with serious self-esteem issues.

The guy's a complete zero in my book and if I saw him in the street, I'd walk the other way. Who talks about another person the way he talked about Candace? That was seriously deranged. And look at his face while he's doing it. He's poison.

I think it might be a good idea for us to consider what, if anything, there is beyond Fuentes' words that makes him so appealing to some.

I'm starting to think that a lot of this non-verbal appeal of Nick that Joe spoke of might be seated in the younger Zoomers who were subjected to the pathology of the education system of the 2010s, when black racial grievances and LGBTQ+ politics were in their major ascent. You had raging authoritarians telling people drug addicts and perverts were a special class you couldn't say a thing to unless you were some kind of monster. Less developed personalities could just internalize that as neurosis, which gives us all the white middle class Democratic Socialists and Antifa members, or they could just wear that "monster" mantle as a giant F.U. and act against or counter to the authority as a defense mechanism, like the popular mythology of the Hippies or Beatniks.

More mature psyches can see the nuance, but in terms of primitive defenses, Nick is in ways acting out the unfiltered Shadow element that every blue-haired civics or humanities teacher accuses every young white male of harboring. So to me it's not a surprise his raw, unhinged rants can actually be part of his appeal, since young men can project their own righteous anger against left wing authoritarianism onto him. It lets off steam from the trauma of encountering pathological material without adequate development or individuation to deal with it. Of course his own schizoidal nature also likely draws more genuine pathologicals, and not just those with emotional grievances against the left wing establishment politics.

In Nick I can see slivers of cogent, intelligent beliefs, but also so much that pushes away psychologically healthy people that I see no way around him being easily weaponized by 4D STS, failing to make a positive difference, and taking a lot of young men down that road with him. Perhaps he will mature more, and maybe the death of Charlie Kirk will plant seeds in him. But public intellectuals who call themselves Christians need to be held to higher standards than this. His racist tirade on Candice was repulsive. Calling her schizophrenic was just more projection on his end.
 
Not a good example for young men here. And certainly not Christian:

Chris Rock almost 30 years ago had a hilarious and famous stand up special talking about black people being more racist than white people because black people hate black people too, a civil war among black people and n words, and if you ever find yourself on Martin Luther King Blvd then run because there's some violence going down. 5 years ago during the George Floyd riots people talked about American violent crime statistics and it was comparatively very high for blacks. So there's a mixture of truth unmentionable in polite company and lowbrow entertainment value. It's not something to be taken seriously.
 
So there's a mixture of truth unmentionable in polite company and lowbrow entertainment value. It's not something to be taken seriously.
There's some truth in it, sure, but asking how Candace is different from the killer other than "she's yet to kill", calling her a schizophrenic black man, saying he's surprised that he let himself walk into her house but he thought it was cool because her husband was white, saying that if he saw Candace walking down the street late at night he would turn and run the other way, saying not to relax around blacks whoever they are, saying she has broad shoulders and swinging long arms, and so on... If he was a stand-up comedian, sure, but he's being serious and trying to push her buttons. He won't be making friends this way and the support he'll get will be limited.

It sounds like he didn't get the right kind of discipline from his father growing up. But hopefully he'll learn to see some nuance in situations and becomes willing and able to express that at all times. It's unfortunate that all he sees is Candace's skin color and can't see that she's been doing a lot of people a service by looking into important topics with the kind of reach she has and stands her ground in the face of threats or pressure from those in positions of power.
 
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