Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

You are being emotional, rude and black & white thinking.
I agree and would suggest to @daddycat next time the urge is there to put a thumbs down to a fellow member, then to go back to what @luc wrote above and ask yourself: Am I engaging in black/white thinking or being rude or emotional or thinking in absolutes? Alternatively take a deep breath and wait 24 hours and see if you still feel the same. It could be an insightful exercise for you.

We are here to learn and all members should feel welcome to post their thoughts and inputs in the spirit of getting closer to the truth.
There are rare exceptions, when some come here not in alignment with the spirit and principles, which are clearly set out in the Forum guidelines.
 
This is my favorite tweet of the day re unhinged leftists rejoicing over Kirk's death, then finding themselves instantly unemployed (in which I am taking a lot of satisfaction):
No. You only think it's bad... NOW. You really don't understand this. This is the political right's polite way of rioting. No businesses are being burned to the ground no neighborhoods are being torched nothing. And all of you were OK with rioting right up until three days ago.

 
Adding to that is the number of pro-Israel laws they have pushed through this week, while everybody was busy with assassination event.
This is indeed what's often the most important in a crisis, policy. While people are distracted by the loonies (left and right) on the internet, the PTB advance their pieces in the real world. The US has fallen, totally conquered with not a single whisper of resistance. It's tragic but comic too. Americans who misbehave are sentenced for life in the US, what a nightmare! The big walls and Palentir surveillance system will come handy for that.
 
A thought that crossed my mind at 3am regarding why Israel might want Charlie gone - don’t talk about Epstein.
For more and more it’s blatantly obvious that what they’re doing in Palestine is pure evil yet Israel has Hamas as their scapegoat, they have no cover story for Epstein and if/when people start digging though that connection with a fine tooth comb and joining the dots… well, how does Israel dig itself out of that grave? Who will they blame?
 
I am wondering whether the PTB is using Charlie’s death to postpone or suppress attention to the 9/11 documentary.

Session 14 September 2001

Q: We have a series of questions about this recent event. Was the attack on the World Trade Center undertaken by Moslem Terrorists?

A: No.

Q: Who was behind this attack?

A: Israel.

Q: Is it going to become known that it was Israel? Will they be exposed?

A: Yes.

Q: Is this the event that is going to lead to the destruction of Israel?

A: Yes.
 
All of the above?

Starting from the macro, down to the micro:

We've got cosmic energies 'clashing' with Earth's 'misalignment' due to a wayward and confused human population. The resulting 'friction' is so intense, it manifests as increasingly erratic weather patterns and has even altered the atmosphere's composition.

We've got a quorum that has its 'master-plan', destination unknown.

We've got the Israel network (which, remember, for us is functionally synonymous with 'the deep state') trying to maintain - or even extend and deepen - global hegemony in the face of encroaching multipolarity, and which is the quorum's primary '3D handmaiden' for instituting its 'program changes'.

Because there were simultaneous and near-simultaneous atrocities across the US at the time of the assassination, we've reasonable grounds to suspect HAARP was 'activated'. (Above, we considered the 'natural' changes to the atmosphere/environment. Here we can add to that intentional 'shaping' of an already-changing atmosphere.)

Doing so always 'casts a wide net', with the result being lots of nutters 'going off', and generalized feelings of malaise and unease.

Many of those nutters are just nutters, and many more of them were made so by genetic adulteration of the population via vaccines, GM food supply, and layers of brain-washing via media, the education system and culture. Into this soup wade satanic types working for intel agencies, running online and in-person grooming ops that specifically target the most gullible of these nutters in order to further manipulate and 'shape' them towards committing 'untraceable' atrocities and serving the govt policies they wish to institute or reinforce.

So yeah, it could 'just have been a nutter, acting organically from below', but, functionally, the result is no different than if it had been a top-down conspiracy. And I think that shows in the dominant 'mass blink' we saw - ironically, all day long on the anniversary of 9/11: "Israel did this, didn't they?"

Even if they don't have direct evidence for thinking such a thing, the thought comes to them because they have growing awareness about the 'cosmic order of things' and 'the way the world really works', such that when something like this happens, they go, "hang on, this feels very familiar." They're developing memory, the ability to think, and thus capacity to 'see the unseen'. As the Cs said - and I'm paraphrasing here - to Laura many years ago, when she figured out either how some atrocity went down, or why some psycho was acting the way he was, "Very good, you see the program, now just plug it in!"

I.e., next time something like this happens, you'll be able to - more or less - instantly recognise what's going on.

Or so it seems to me!
Very well put. The only thing I'd emphasize is, at least for me, the equal importance to the top-down and the bottom-up. Everything organic and coming from "below" is just part of the wider, hyperdimensional trajectories and influences at play within humanity. Sometimes other humans direct these things, other times they don't, but even when they don't, it contributes to the larger mosaic. And sometimes the "direction" only comes indirectly, maybe 2 or 3 or 30 steps removed.

Like Luc wrote:
Don't know what to make of this, there are many possibilities. Perhaps Israel diddit, but they were surprised by the public reaction immediately blaming them and connecting the dots to Kirk turning on Israel (well, they should have seen that coming). Maybe it was a case of forces being involved that are even above Bibi & gang's paygrade, i.e. Quorum-style. Maybe it was a case of some nutters going off because of general "cosmic energies", possibly even someone who was groomed in some way, but again, triggered by something above the Zionists. Maybe it was just a radicalized nutjob and that's that.
All of those are live options, because the evidence is either incomplete, ambiguous, or otherwise incapable of proving any one theory over the other. If it's just a radicalized nutjob, that nutjob might have been influenced by people who were influenced by people who were influenced by a government operative.
I think you nailed it right there. Basically, even if it turns out that "Israel dinndoit" strictly speaking, it's still true on a deeper level that "Israel diddit".
 
Their assassin has apparently not yet confessed to the crime, which would be strange for someone who was on a personal, political mission to 'snuff out my enemy'. He should be gloating and proud of it, no? Using his new-found infamy to 'go full Anders Breivik' and articulate his beliefs and political manifesto?

Here's the governor of Utah:

 
Very interesting:


A Funny Thing Happened on the Way from the Forum​

Charlie Kirk's Assassination IS Radicalizing a Generation, and NOT in the Way the Left Wants​

On X you’ll see the the Right expose Leftist callow- and callous-ness where the 24 hour news-cycle used to cover this outrage. You’d be forgiven for thinking that we are alone with our anger and rage in the war against this dehumanizing enemy. But you’d be wrong. Something else is happened off X (and the other echo-chamber BlueSky). A normie revolt is brewing against the Left among the least likely participants in the political arena.

If you’re like me you probably think that the Left either celebrates murder or merely issues pro forma lip service while latently agreeing with their more extreme co-partisans… and that’s more true than ever. But what we haven’t taken into account - what we NEED to take into account - is an army of centrists or apolitical “normies” who are finally waking up to what we’ve known all along: the Left is the unreasoning side of extremists.
Normies, apoliticals, centrists and moderates are disgusted, angered and horrified. The uncensored unaliving of Kirk, hemorrhaging blood while simply attempting to engage in heated debate, has outraged an unexpected group of people in an unexpected direction. What seems to be outraging them most is the realization (yes, they are confessing to “just waking up” about this) that the Left and their Democratic Party sponsors stand for the proposition that disagreement will met with murder. Meanwhile the attempts to smear Charlie as a White Supremacist, homophobe, etc have all been instantly debunked simply by showing him do what he did best: engaging people in debate!
 
All of those are live options, because the evidence is either incomplete, ambiguous, or otherwise incapable of proving any one theory over the other. If it's just a radicalized nutjob, that nutjob might have been influenced by people who were influenced by people who were influenced by a government operative.

If, for example, there were 100 individual or mass shootings over the past 20 years in the USA, I'd say less than 10% were "organic". There's a distinction to be made between people who "go postal" as a result of personal life circumstances and societal pressures (regardless of how much any of those were created by the ptb) and those whose actions were directly provoked by the ptb. Given the result of the Kirk assassination, I'd say it falls into the 2nd category, like most other events that progressively sowed division between people.
 
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More information is needed, but at the moment there are a host of inconsistencies in the official version of events, as far as I have been able to ascertain. In particular, where he carries the weapon when he flees, according to the images, the alleged change of clothes, contradictions in statements between Kash Patel and the head of the FBI in Utah, etc. “
 
Very interesting:


I don't think there is a "left" as is being described by so many on SM. At least, nowhere near enough of them to constitute a threat to society or to warrant the kind of apoplectic responses by the "right". This is all social engineering 101.
 
All of those are live options, because the evidence is either incomplete, ambiguous, or otherwise incapable of proving any one theory over the other.
Most of the time a satisfactory (rarely complete) picture only emerges years after the event, after much effort has been put into collecting evidence. That process begins in real-time and builds off of past experience, but it has to keep going because the answers are never complete. There is simply no learning (and not a lot of fun either) dealing with history as a series of cookie-cutter conclusions.

As Collingwood wrote in Speculum Mentis,

“Knowledge as a past fact, as something dead and done with—knowledge by the time it gets into encyclopedias and text-books—does consist of assertion, and those who treat it as an affair of encyclopedias and text-books may be forgiven for thinking that it is assertion and nothing else. But those who look upon it as an affair of discovery and exploration have never fallen into that error. People who are acquainted with knowledge at first hand have always known that assertions are only answers to questions. So Plato described true knowledge as ‘dialectic’, the interplay of question and answer in the soul’s dialogue with itself; so Bacon pointed out once for all that the scientist’s real work was to interrogate nature, to put her, if need be, to the torture as a reluctant witness; so Kant mildly remarked that the test of an intelligent man was to know what questions to ask, and the same truth has lately dawned on the astonished gaze of the pragmatists. Questioning is the cutting edge of knowledge, assertion is the dead weight behind the edge that gives it driving force”

I don't think there is a "left" as is being described by so many on SM. At least, nowhere near enough of them to constitute a threat to anyone. This is all social engineering 101.

I believe normal people use the term the "left" to describe the ramified network of politicians, activists, and professionals who make a career out of race grifting, LGBTQ activism, oppression olympics, opening borders, wanting people dead for disagreeing with them, and basically ethnically replacing their citizens.

How many of these people would be required to constitute a threat? Several hundred thousands? Millions? And what if they were able to easily find their way into positions of power through DEI? I don't think that people are wrong to see this as an issue.
 
I believe normal people use the term the "left" to describe the ramified network of politicians, activists, and professionals who make a career out of race grifting, LGBTQ activism, oppression olympics, opening borders, murdering people for disagreeing with them, and basically ethnically replacing their citizens.

LGBTQ activists and those encouraging unrestrained immigration are, I'd say, very few in number among the general population. Even less are those who murder people for disagreeing with them. If you're talking about politicians etc. who encourage such, then the people should unite and direct their anger at them, rather than falling for the bait of 'right vs left' culture (and real?) wars.

How many of these people would be required to constitute a threat? Several hundred thousands? Millions? And what if they were able to easily find their way into positions of power through DEI?

See above. We need to separate out the average citizen and those in positions of power.

I don't think that people are wrong to see this as an issue.

I think they are, or at least, they don't have a proper grasp of the issue.
 
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