Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

Cosmos said:
If so, maybe the dramatic and heroic way in which Trump wasn’t killed by millimeters wasn’t a coincidence either but arranged pretty much exactly in that way as an alternative because it would have given the forces that couldn’t kill him a somewhat different but similar thing that goes in a similar direction but doesn’t violate free will rules?
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Fwiw , The Quorum has been described as a watcher of prophecies / keeping track thereof , but also , somewhat inferring here ( whilst composed of two halfs STO /STS ) of keeping a balance while promoting 4th density harvest. In this optics , killing Camacho Trump in Butler would have minimized desirable outcomes for both groups, even if entirely for different motives . It follows that C. Kirk assassination while having a presumably lesser impact than Trump's assassination to be a "smaller" adjustment ? , wishful thinking however may well be calling dibs on what proceeds from this however. ( for now i'd agree , my 2x cents/ blah)
 
T.C. said:
I think this is a philosophy of Solzhenitsyn, popularised by Jordan Peterson, and I don’t know whether it’s right or not.

Just because Solzhenitsyn documented the process of allowing one small encroachment of one’s freedom after another, turning a blind eye over and over again, going along with what’s happening around you in order to not attract attention, etc., etc., just because he documented that doesn’t to me suggest that a) it could have been avoided or b) that acting otherwise is either possible or would prevent macrosocial ponerisation. (Of course, acting in one way or another is literally possible, but I’m talking about practicably possible.)

I guess what I’m trying to say is that things happen the way they happen, and that what Solzhenitsyn and Peterson called the cause of macrosocial evil is probably better labelled as a symptom, or so it seems to me. Peterson’s philosophy is that everything’s the fault of the individual. I think that ascribes way too much agency and action to people and is unbelievably humanistic for someone who has ostensibly tried to rescue God for the sake of society.
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I was thinking about something similar in relation to the pre-Socratic Greek tragedies. The worldview within such tragedies is that the life of individuals is played out in the middle ground between fate and personal responsibility/individuality/freedom, whereas in modernity you're left with only individuality/freedom of choice. Within the Greek worldview, the tragic hero is in a sense both responsible and not responsible for what happened that lead up to a certain tragic outcome, and the hero's retrospective knowledge—after the tragic outcome has take place—that he acted in ignorance and could not have done otherwise and could not have escaped his destiny, does not dissolve his horror or disgust with himself, as he still did and engaged in those horrible things. But even though he still feels responsible for his actions, he also knows that he's not fully in control of things out there. His guilt, when he does wrong or at least does harm to others or himself, is "softer" by being placed into a larger context.

Nietzsche and the Existentialists that Peterson talks about were precisely criticizing such a modern take on things. For instance, see Kierkagaard's take on this:

The modern tragic hero, fully responsible for his crime, must bear his pain alone. The modern spectator shouts at the tragic hero: “help yourself, and heaven will help you!”—in other words, “A” says, “the spectator has lost compassion.” Not only is freedom a burden, according to “A,” but modern individualism has lost sight of what a person really is. Our generation, he says, thinks of itself as “a kingdom of gods.” But negative freedom does not amount to omnipotence, and despite our freedom we cannot design our own fate. Every individual, “however original, is still a child of God, of his age, of his nation, of his family, of his friends, and only in them does he have his truth.” There is always an element of “substantiality” in a person: we are all determined partly from without. Our attachments to persons and our culture are part of our identities, as is our history. Yet in modern tragedy, all of this has been abstracted away. It is not concerned with narrating the hero’s entire life, finding the roots of his transgression in his past, but only with the particular situation in which he commits it. “Modern tragedy has no epic foreground, no epic remainder,” “A” says. “The hero stands and falls entirely on his own deeds.” It treats the hero as a criminal, and is as impatient as the harshest judge with stories about extenuating circumstances.
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Peterson is certainly aware of this, but I guess it wouldn't have helped his message about personal responsibility if he was going around and asserting that, at least partially, we're playthings of the "Gods" and not fully in control.
 
luc said:
I think we should keep in mind also that "watching the show" doesn't mean just entertainment, or sitting in our bubble while looking down at the world. It is about learning, and the "enjoy" part comes from that. (Like we're doing here at this moment.) Everything that's happening in the world, and in political/philosophical/scientific discourse as events unfold, is an opportunity for us to fine-tune our understanding (again, like we're doing here at the moment).

The Wave is an invitation to grow. Which also means, for all the psychological detachment necessary, we also can't stand still; we need to evolve. Which also means modifying our outlook as events unfold to the degree it's necessary to align ourselves with truth and the STO path. Details matter, and we can't see the details from the "bird eye's view". Both perspectives are necessary.

The Cs said we must not "shut out the world", as in some Buddhist "nothing really matters, it's all the same, what do I care" stance. This is what I was getting at regarding the current left/right paradigm: we can't just say "well, it's all the same" or "both sides are controlled lol"; we still need to discern what specific developments or takes in the current context represent something positive, truthful and good and what represents evil and untruth; what would be conducive to a more positive society based on all we know and what wouldn't. We've been given "front-row seats", so it would be a waste not to use the unique perspective this provides by retreating to "nothing really matters" nihilism. And this includes emotions, which can be both hindering and furthering progress. "Shutting them out" would be to cheat yourself out of the learning experience we are provided, and in any event can't be done. As the Cs said, we need to discern between limiting emotions based on assumptions and those that lead to limitless possibilities. In fact, I think we might be able to influence the world more than we know if we can pull this off, i.e. gathering knowledge/experience "in the trenches" and combining that knowledge and true emotions with projecting truthful goodwill, based on faith in the process, to uplift those that are ready and deserve it.
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Important points to remember I think. Also, we might also need to take into consideration that there are probably different types of higher missions or soul groups people can belong to or are aligned with or are in process to align with. For example what might be true for our alignment might not necessarily be how other types of alignments are supposed to fulfill their missions. In that regard I find it interesting that the C‘s over the years seem to have alluded to the fact that those aligned with Cassiopaea (or those that are in the prozess of doing so) might be a bit different/distinct from other groups, just as if each group is supposed to fulfill a greater STO mission from different angles? The last possible allusion to that was maybe in the last session:

Laura said:
A: Protection is increased now!

Q: (L) And who do we have with us?

A: Velleiaea of Cassiopaean transmission.

Q: (L) That's in reference to what?

A: Necessity in these times.

Q: (L) You mean physical protection or psychic protection?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Does it refer to us specifically here or to the entire group?

A: All involved in furthering knowledge.

Q: (Joe) That's a lot of people. Maybe.

(L) Well, do you mean that globally?

A: Different groups have different protections. Your group is Cassiopaean.

Q: (L) So for example, a Pleiadian promoting group would be protected by Pleiadians?

A: Close

Q: (Joe) What's the protection against?

A: The extreme negative charge building on your planet.

Q: (Joe) Negative charge doesn't necessarily mean negative in the way we... Does it mean literally negative, or does it mean negative or positive electrical charge?

(L) Does it mean negative in the sense of evil?

A: Partly, yes.

Q: (L) Does it also refer to such as say, electricity, or some kind of other cosmic energy?

A: Latter.

Q: (L) So it's negative cosmic energy of some sort?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is this something that we know about or could measure?

A: No
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So for some STO candidates it might be true that they might be aligned to another facet of STO where for example personal martyrdom and/or being much more directly in the weeds are the way/mission? Which might mean that this must not be what those aligned with Cassiopaea are supposed to be doing?
 
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SlipNet said:
Following up his recent article in The Grayzone, some cautious dot-connecting from Max Blumenthal with Chris hedges today.

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ChatGPT 5 Summary (basically covers everything discussed on this thread so far):

Summary: Chris Hedges and Max Blumenthal on Charlie Kirk Assassination and Israel

1. Escalation of Political Violence in the U.S.
- Kirk’s assassination follows other high-profile killings and attempts (Trump, Melissa Hortman).
- Trump blames the radical left, pledging sweeping repression against opponents, including Democrats, media, universities, and activist groups.
- Risk: both state repression and vigilante violence against minorities, Muslims, LGBTQ groups, immigrants, and the left.

2. Charlie Kirk’s Break with the Israel Lobby
- Kirk built Turning Point USA with heavy funding from the pro-Israel lobby (via the David Horowitz Freedom Center).
- For years he tied his influence to strong support of Israel, pushing anti-BDS campaigns and blacklisting academics.
- By 2025, Kirk faced growing pressure from conservative grassroots angered by U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war.
- At a major summit in July 2025, Kirk allowed open criticism of Israel, hosted debates, and mocked Zionist donors. The crowd cheered.
- Donors and pro-Israel power brokers reacted furiously, threatening to cut his funding. Kirk reportedly felt frightened and bullied.

3. Netanyahu, Funding Offers, and Fear
- Netanyahu personally offered Kirk renewed financial backing to “get back in line.” Kirk refused.
- Friends say he had grown to hate Netanyahu, viewing him as a manipulative bully.
- Rumors circulated of Israeli surveillance operations even inside U.S. institutions, fueling fears among Trump and others.
- While there is no evidence Israel assassinated Kirk, Blumenthal says Israel and its lobby had both motive and capacity to “take him out”—if not physically, then financially and politically.

4. Political Fallout and Weaponization of His Death
- Despite Kirk’s break with Israel, the Israel lobby is exploiting his martyrdom to justify crackdowns on critics of Israel.
- Bills have been introduced to strip citizenship or passports from people accused of supporting “terrorist sympathizers.”
- Right-wing leaders are pushing for measures reminiscent of the Patriot Act—but directed at domestic dissent, especially the left and pro-Palestinian voices.
- Universities and media are already under pressure; dissent is increasingly equated with terrorism.

5. Strategy of Tension & Historical Parallels
- Blumenthal compares the current moment to Italy’s “Years of Lead,” when intelligence services used political violence and false flags to push society rightward.
- Events like Kenosha (Rittenhouse) illustrate how authorities can inflame tensions.
- The aim: pit Americans against each other, justify authoritarian crackdowns, and protect elite interests while silencing dissent.

6. The Coming Crackdown
- Expect expansion of secret-police–like structures (ICE, detention centers).
- Push to label Antifa or other protest movements as terrorist organizations.
- A likely “Charlie Kirk Act” could criminalize media independence or anti-Israel activism.
- The environment resembles or even surpasses McCarthyism—blacklists, institutional capture, and the silencing of universities.

Bottom Line
- Kirk’s assassination marks a dangerous escalation of U.S. political violence.
- Exposes the split between conservative youth and the pro-Israel establishment.
- Is being weaponized by the Trump administration and Israel lobby to suppress dissent, expand authoritarian controls, and target both the left and critics of Israel.
- Reflects a broader “strategy of tension,” where fear and violence drive society toward repression and elite control.
 
Cosmos said:
Important points to remember I think. Also, we might also need to take into consideration that there are probably different types of higher missions or soul groups people can belong to or are aligned with or are in process to align with. For example what might be true for our alignment might not necessarily be how other types of alignments are supposed to fulfill their missions. In that regard I find it interesting that the C‘s over the years seem to have alluded to the fact that the those aligned with Cassiopaea (or those that are in the prozess of doing so) might be a bit different/distinct from other groups, just as if each group is supposed to fulfill a greater STO mission from different angles? The last possible allusion to that was maybe in the last session:



So for some STO candidates it might be true that they might be aligned to another facet of STO where for example personal martyrdom and/or being much more directly in the weeds are the way/mission? Which might mean that this must not be what those aligned with Cassiopaea are supposed to be doing?
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And speculating further: It might not be that clear cut either. Perhaps even within specific groups/alignments such as for example Cassiopaea there might be a whole range of varying missions for each individual/soul, some for example going more the fight/martyrdom route while others have other missions? But maybe it could be generally said, overall, that for example “Cassiopaea“ as a whole is more aligned to missions aligned with a specific face of facets of god?
 
Hesper said:
I wanted to make the point that, if you want to keep forum members from getting sucked into a potential karmic nightmare, that giving out blanket assertions that:
  1. There's no such thing as the Left as it appears on social media
    1. Which you've clarified means that there's no threat from the left
    2. And which I would argue is primarily a pathocratic organization which means it is almost entirely threat
  2. Maybe there is a threat but they are a minority of the population
    1. This seems particularly irrelevant if dealing with a ponerized group, which we know is always a small % of the population and has a massive negative impact on society if not reigned in
  3. And anyone who disagrees is falling for a psyop
It just seems like a very strange and counterproductive way of framing things in order to help people reach clarity on the situation and reign in any wild emotions. Primarily because one can't help but disagree because it is self contradictory - a non-threatening movement of openly pathological individuals?
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They weren't blanket assertions and there was only one assertion: that the way the left was being depicted, especially in the aftermath of Kirk's assassination, was not accurate, primarily because of the generalized belief that a "leftist" assassinated him and this marked a new escalation beyond the point of no return that needed to met with similar escalation by the 'right'.

I did not say that "leftists" had not done damage to society (I said the opposite) or that no action should be taken to roll back "leftist" damage to society and institutions.

Perhaps this is a case of me not being sufficiently clear on an emotionally-charged topic combined with your own emotional reaction to this situation that required me to be more clear.

Hesper said:
My point was, if that was your goal, it would be more beneficial to advise people to be cautious when entertaining any emotions or ideas in the following weeks and not to get carried away with either left or right wing narratives that emerge.
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Yes, that was my point and goal, without explicitly saying it, assuming, incorrectly perhaps, that anyone reading it would understand where I was going. And perhaps my other mistake was to frame it by first saying that what could lead to such a scenario was the perception that I described above: "the generalized belief that a "leftist" assassinated him and this marked a new escalation beyond the point of no return that needed to met with similar escalation by the 'right'."

I think this is an incorrect perception of the truth behind Kirk's assassination, that it is NOT evidence of a new escalation by the 'left' beyond the point of no return that must be met with similar escalation by the 'right. Instead it is a deliberate attempt to further ponerize the 'left' and to bait the 'right' into reacting in extreme ways that would only create chaos and turmoil for all.

As others have said, that may be where things are going to go anyway, and there's nothing we can do about it, but I was directing my comments at members here who might have been susceptible to falling into that mindset and in that way investing their energy into a negative dynamic.
 
Cosmos said:
Back then the C‘s claimed something like that the assassination was avoided/cancelled on purpose by a “council“ of sorts because it would have been too big of a violation of the will of too many people. Maybe either at that point or afterwards “the dark forces“ part of that council was offered or compensated for not being able to do that with Trump by sacrificing Kirk instead, who had lots of support and reach too, but not quite enough to make it impossible to kill him because of some rules?
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I've been thinking that maybe Charlie, not being as well known as Trump, perhaps not having the same amount of people praying for him or his success so taking Charlie out wasn't as big a violation of free will or something like that - but his assassination still sends a very clear signal.
 
SlipNet said:
Following up his recent article in The Grayzone, some cautious dot-connecting from Max Blumenthal with Chris hedges today.

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I'd recommend this to anyone who's been mostly listening to more right-wing commentators more than left (as I have since the left went 'crazy').
Jefferson said:
ChatGPT 5 Summary (basically covers everything discussed on this thread so far):

Summary: Chris Hedges and Max Blumenthal on Charlie Kirk Assassination and Israel

1. Escalation of Political Violence in the U.S.
- Kirk’s assassination follows other high-profile killings and attempts (Trump, Melissa Hortman).
- Trump blames the radical left, pledging sweeping repression against opponents, including Democrats, media, universities, and activist groups.
- Risk: both state repression and vigilante violence against minorities, Muslims, LGBTQ groups, immigrants, and the left.
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It's the blaming of the left, whilst pushing through all the anti-Israel laws that's the key to this.
You can see where this particular line of force will go.
First you fill the 'left' with crazy people (it was also mentioned that movements where created by Israel to drown out/silence the class and anti-war elements of the left), and from then on - ANYONE criticising Israel can be dehumanised (in the near future) and dealt with, without due process.
Anyone who feels 'angry' at the left should consider this - especially if you also criticize Israel or it's policies.

Jefferson said:
2. Charlie Kirk’s Break with the Israel Lobby
- Kirk built Turning Point USA with heavy funding from the pro-Israel lobby (via the David Horowitz Freedom Center).
- For years he tied his influence to strong support of Israel, pushing anti-BDS campaigns and blacklisting academics.
- By 2025, Kirk faced growing pressure from conservative grassroots angered by U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war.
- At a major summit in July 2025, Kirk allowed open criticism of Israel, hosted debates, and mocked Zionist donors. The crowd cheered.
- Donors and pro-Israel power brokers reacted furiously, threatening to cut his funding. Kirk reportedly felt frightened and bullied.
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It should be noted (again) that the younger generation is very anti-Israel, and more aware of it's crimes.
It was his audience of younger people that pushed him to question the narrative.
Jefferson said:
4. Political Fallout and Weaponization of His Death
- Despite Kirk’s break with Israel, the Israel lobby is exploiting his martyrdom to justify crackdowns on critics of Israel.
- Bills have been introduced to strip citizenship or passports from people accused of supporting “terrorist sympathizers.”
- Right-wing leaders are pushing for measures reminiscent of the Patriot Act—but directed at domestic dissent, especially the left and pro-Palestinian voices.
- Universities and media are already under pressure; dissent is increasingly equated with terrorism.
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So the line of force here is clear - laws without due process to crush all decent. So far being used for 'good'. Later to be used on anyone and everyone.
ICE rounding up illegals and sending them to 'detention camps', becomes 'the left' being rounded up and sent to detention camps, becomes 'anyone' being rounded up and sent to detention camps.
No due process, stripped of citizenship and all legal support. Othered.
And when you are othered, atrocities follow. Just like the 'lefts' dehumanization of Charlie - this time it will be the dehumanization of 'decentres' (us), with the full weight of the cops/army/law, and the full system in place (detention camps, surveillance networks etc).

The point here is to remember that the illegals we have are the worst of the worst, by design.
Their crimes and viciousness are allowed and let off, by design.
The left was infiltrated and corrupted and diverted, by design.
The right and general population are now being herded into accepting WW2 style 'camps' etc, by design.
Jefferson said:
5. Strategy of Tension & Historical Parallels
- Blumenthal compares the current moment to Italy’s “Years of Lead,” when intelligence services used political violence and false flags to push society rightward.
- Events like Kenosha (Rittenhouse) illustrate how authorities can inflame tensions.
- The aim: pit Americans against each other, justify authoritarian crackdowns, and protect elite interests while silencing dissent.
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Divide and conquer. By deception you shall wage war. Pressure by Israel.
And now you are here.
Jefferson said:
6. The Coming Crackdown
- Expect expansion of secret-police–like structures (ICE, detention centers).
- Push to label Antifa or other protest movements as terrorist organizations.
- A likely “Charlie Kirk Act” could criminalize media independence or anti-Israel activism.
- The environment resembles or even surpasses McCarthyism—blacklists, institutional capture, and the silencing of universities.
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ANTIFA is a FED/CIA etc cut out mostly. A bunch of low intelligence thugs and FEDs. Not an organisation but a lose affiliation.
Labelling them a terrorist group would be a wonderfully vague piece of legislation, from which anyone could be called ANTIFA.

What the AI summary missed from here was that Palestine Action in the UK has already been labelled a terrorist group. It's an actual origination. I suspect that with the rise of Tommy (another Israel supported puppet, or so it seems) - the UK will 'deport all the illegals without due process' and then follow that with 'deport all decentres without due process'. I'm pretty sure Douglas Murray was already calling for that.

So we can see the plan is shaping up to have anyone sent to camps that disagrees with the system (Israel).
That V for Vendetta future where all the 'undesirables' (gay, anti-war, left, Muslim etc) where sent to camps, tortured and experimented on medically is actually closer than you think.
Better make sure your vaccine passport is up to date! Otherwise Pfizer will use you as a test subject in a 're-education camp'.
Jefferson said:
Bottom Line
- Kirk’s assassination marks a dangerous escalation of U.S. political violence.
- Exposes the split between conservative youth and the pro-Israel establishment.
- Is being weaponized by the Trump administration and Israel lobby to suppress dissent, expand authoritarian controls, and target both the left and critics of Israel.
- Reflects a broader “strategy of tension,” where fear and violence drive society toward repression and elite control.
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It was also suggested (by implication of following this line of thinking) that the murder of the CEO by Luigi was designed to frighten the top 1% into following along. "We'll protect you" from the angry masses, but only if you stick to the script.

Along those lines, all the corporate pushing of DEI and Social Justice (WEF agenda) was also part of this setup.

It should also be mentioned that Charlie was moving from Protestant (Judo Christianity) to Catholic (Christianity).
I suspect that everyone 'going to church' will be pushed to Judo Christianity. Nothing like channelling peoples 'desire to do something'/emotions into the hand of those who set this up. Especially if you are trying to crush the backlash against Israel.

So - will anyone in the establishment speak up?
Will Candice/Tucker etc be 'shot by leftists'?
Will Fuentes get sent for 're-education' or suddenly 'convert to Islam' like Tate?
 
Jefferson said:
4. Political Fallout and Weaponization of His Death
- Despite Kirk’s break with Israel, the Israel lobby is exploiting his martyrdom to justify crackdowns on critics of Israel.
- Bills have been introduced to strip citizenship or passports from people accused of supporting “terrorist sympathizers.”
- Right-wing leaders are pushing for measures reminiscent of the Patriot Act—but directed at domestic dissent, especially the left and pro-Palestinian voices.
- Universities and media are already under pressure; dissent is increasingly equated with terrorism.

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As if on cue. Quote Pam Bondi " There's free speech and there's hate speech (...) and that's across the isles"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967810773562032152
 
Today german mainstream media is reporting that Israel is now doing something in Gaza city, presumably going in and fight “Hamas“ or something. But interestingly for the first time I think in that context they are also airing/voicing glimpses of the truth about what is being done to the civilian population with it by recounting what somebody (some institution) is saying about it. After that they ended that report by saying that the Israelis of course denied the accusations and quote, paraphrasing “explain it by saying that those people are lying about it and they are doing that because they are jews“ or something. Just a coincidence or are the really powerful indeed slowly but surely giving up on their “jewish“ pawns/puppets, in line with earlier speculations?
 
Joe said:
And probably under the influence of Candace. I like that term by the way, "Judo Christianity", more like a martial art than a religion. :lol:
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Ooops! Well I guess that does work. :-[

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