Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history
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Il Matto
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I found this really helpful, thank you Luc.
Regarding the first part I have highlighted, I've caught myself a few times now thinking something along the lines of, "it's all a mess, both 'sides' of the public discourse have been thoroughly infiltrated by psychopaths.." etc etc.
But of course you're right. I was starting to fall in to the trap of taking an easy way out; of denying an opportunity to learn greater discernment.For my own part, who is ultimately responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk is less significant to me than the fact that a symbol of dialogue, faith and family has been publicly slaughtered. Now, the minutiae of Charlie's faith, whether Protestant or Catholic I wouldn't have been able to see eye-to-eye with him on, but dammit, wholehearted faith and goodness seem to be vanishing commodities in our world, so I'll happily celebrate someone who builds their family and relationships around a faith in Jesus Christ and seeks to do good in the world based on that faith (as long as they're not trying to ram it down the throats of others, of course). Taking that out of the world can only be to the detriment of society.
As to the second part I've highlighted about emotion. It's not been particularly easy to watch this all unfold and I'll happily admit that I was quite affected by Charlie's murder, but I've tried simply to sit with those feelings. The most difficult part, I think, is the fact that Charlie leaves behind a wife and children who will be suffering terribly. That is a suffering that I can't imagine, but I try to sit with the pain I feel for them and let it be what it is.
With regards 'limiting emotions based on assumptions', would that include holding on to the negativity generated by such a public event and letting it colour your own emotional state? I mean, if we don't acknowledge that this event was part of Charlie's (and his family's) lesson profile, are we therefore applying our assumptions?
Yes, mediation and breath work are proving most helpful at the moment to calm the calm the body and remain alert. I think I understand very little, but I'm at least creating better conditions in which to learn!
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This kind of thought and attitude is exactly what the PTB/4D STO forces want, everyone highly emotional, divided and the us vs them mentality. Everyone needs to stop looking at this as a left vs right problem, because let’s face it there are wackos on both sides, and instead look at it as people being radicalized to the extreme by forces unseen such as their social media feeds. The more hate being spewed by both sides and the angrier and angrier people get this whole thing will become a self fulfilling prophecy of a civil war. The easiest and most cost effective way to destabilize a country is a civil war. Because if the country is dysfunctional enough it would do the work for the enemy. I’d say the US is pretty dysfunctional enough alright especially now. Try to keep looking at the bigger picture and from a higher perspective. Someone (something) is radicalizing these people and we need to recognize that. Let’s keep a clear head here folks and stop feeding the monsters. I’m sure there’s people on here who remember the movie Wargames. “The only winning move is to not play the game”
I feel like getting a "leave Mrs Kirk" alone t-shirt on, I am so emotionally invested in this
she was 1000% in shock, and INCREDIBLY brave. I bet she was torn between doing that speech, and I bet she put on that makeup and suit kind of like her armour. I know girls make jokes about not crying because it'll ruin their makeup! She used all the courage she had that day to do that, courage was a big thing for both her and Charlie and I guess it was one of the things she adored about him. It's strange to me that people are being suspicious of her, although I can see why, maybe it's because we would find it almost impossible to do a speech like that after losing our husbands. You've got to remember they put GOD first in their relationship, so maybe she really believes he's been called for a higher purpose. She used her pain and grief as a weapon, intentionally "these widows cries will be a battle cry"Candace Owens did a brilliant job of calling out all the suspects, definitely more sided on Israel... And blatantly showing how messed up the information from the FBI is.
Can't wait to see what else she pulls up. Can't believe she said "over my dead body, which I'm sure can be arranged"!!!
I just watched it too. That was a bomb. It wasn't clear whether she was implying or not that she actually had the entire letter from Kirk to Bibi, but if she does (or equally incriminating emails), her next videos may be quite something.
I pray that she has good protection and a reliable network.
I didn't say that. I said that I wouldn't be surprised to find out I was wrong about many of my conclusions. The main point being not to be overly confident. If I have derailed the thread, my bad and my apologies. My intention was the opposite of that outcome, fwiw. I would like the conversation to be free flowing and the dynamic positive. Maybe it's just me, but I feel one way to do that is to speculate on a range of theories, even if they're all variations of a core one, and test the evidence against them, and it's easier to do that when not too attached to one particular theory - again, at least for me. But I'll leave it there!
I had that coming by adding "or really anything in between or outside at this point." I mainly had in mind the ones Luc and Niall mentioned, which I initially commented on. Of course, I agree that there are some options that are so unlikely as to be not worth discussing. But I would at least enjoy reading a solid case for Barney!
Again, that wasn't my point. If that's how it came across, I didn't express it clearly. It's not that "almost any conclusion" is possible. It's that there is more than one plausible conclusion worth considering, without resorting to Barney.
I’ve seen comment like this pop up in other places. I can’t say I like or appreciate them at all because really we know not much about her, how she conducts her private life, how much of a handle she has on her emotions and mental faculties.
FWIW, when my grandfather died, my then 50 yr old grandmother was as stoic and in control of her self as any other time in her life, she did not cry, she organised all affairs that needed to be taken care of with poise, she focussed on what needed to be done and did it. No one saw her cry, not ever. She revealed later that she didn’t cry for 3 months, but that was behind closed doors on her own.
Personally, I think Erika did a great job with her speech, it was in honourable and graceful and I hope she can continue to use her sorrow and righteous anger to push forward in the way her husband would want and be proud of her to do so.
She has to go all out or nothing, if someone assasinated Candace now, Israel would be implicated. So I can’t see any other way apart from putting it all out there simply to try protect herself and her family. I pray for her protection also.
Umm - where to start . . .
That rant by Redacted's Clayton Morris, of course, sums up the outrage that's been percolating beneath the surface of decent people and has been purposely built up to elicit exactly the anger he's expressing. Sure, we've had enough of all the wrongs that have been shoved down our throats that defy all common sense and morality. Plus, we should just sit and accept it all because to object means we're bigots or intolerant jerks. However, isn't it clear how this came about and the enormous role mainstream and social media has played in indoctrinating minds to these ideologies that persists to this day along with showcasing the crazed extremes of the libtards! I stopped watching Jesse Watters as his show was more about spotlighting the crazies than it was about actual news. I'm disappointed that Clayton has taken the bait and isn't seeing through the possibility of a dangerous agenda being enacted on us all. And he just gave it power.
Now here's another area that gives me concern. I was away over the weekend to celebrate my MIL's 99th birthday. A visit with my husband's brother revealed his wife's sister and husband believe Charlie Kirk was not murdered but is still alive! It was all faked!
Say what!!! Thinking that was just a one off, I've since seen that this is actually a genuine belief being fomented - see 51:39 rumble vid below:
And so she's taken up the mantle, leading the charge with, "If you thought my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you have just unleashed across this entire country and this world." Sounds like fighting words to me and certainly mirrors Trump's Butler "Fight Fight Fight" clarion call.
And just like with Clayton, power has been given to whatever agenda this is playing out. Sure, Israel's a key player, but on a deeper level, isn't this a 4D/3D power play to move the scale from just hateful rhetoric to actual violence in the streets, attacking leftists, rounding them up, and putting them away for good! And yes, we can see the very obvious danger of this kind of official tyrannical action. Pretty much a "first they came for the illegal immigrants, then they came for the leftists, then they came " . . . well, you know the rest.
So yeah - it's appears to be getting incredibly real now with this Kirk assassination. But who really are all the players? Maybe it goes a lot deeper than we suspect. The former Miss Arizona - and truly, a total looker and scads of photos of the picture perfect family. Well now, funny how that might figure in setting up the conservative right for revengeful outrage and action - just like Clayton has proclaimed. And this on the heels of that pretty, very white immigrant girl being viciously slain by a black mental monster on the loose due to a leftist activist judge - plus the coincidental slash to the neck. Just sayin'.
And so the youth have had their JFK moment. Are they ready to be further targeted for thinking unacceptable thoughts/speaking out against Israel, by their own government? Passports confiscated, rights restricted, and even possible internment in camps? How's that going to work with mid-terms on the horizon? Or will their voting rights be revoked should they have anti-Israel opinions? And what part is the new, post-Charlie Turning Point going to play in all this? Is civil war the aim and getting the conservative right of all ages riled up by these violent events the reason they happened in the first place?
It appears then, that Mangione has been undeclared a terrorist. Which is great particularly since the Cs said he didn't do it and this idea of declaring people terrorists is a road we do not want to go down for reasons previously stated.
That rant by Redacted's Clayton Morris, of course, sums up the outrage that's been percolating beneath the surface of decent people and has been purposely built up to elicit exactly the anger he's expressing. Sure, we've had enough of all the wrongs that have been shoved down our throats that defy all common sense and morality. Plus, we should just sit and accept it all because to object means we're bigots or intolerant jerks. However, isn't it clear how this came about and the enormous role mainstream and social media has played in indoctrinating minds to these ideologies that persists to this day along with showcasing the crazed extremes of the libtards! I stopped watching Jesse Watters as his show was more about spotlighting the crazies than it was about actual news. I'm disappointed that Clayton has taken the bait and isn't seeing through the possibility of a dangerous agenda being enacted on us all. And he just gave it power.
Now here's another area that gives me concern. I was away over the weekend to celebrate my MIL's 99th birthday. A visit with my husband's brother revealed his wife's sister and husband believe Charlie Kirk was not murdered but is still alive! It was all faked!
Say what!!! Thinking that was just a one off, I've since seen that this is actually a genuine belief being fomented - see 51:39 rumble vid below:THE SHOW MUST GO ON! ERIKA KIRK'S CASKET SIDE MANNEQUIN PERFORMANCE TAKES THIS PSYOP TO A NEW LEVEL!
So the whole "everything's a CIA/secret societies/Illuminati psyop" has gone off a cliff. That being said, it did give me pause that Erika's spoken moments of grief beside her husband's casket was filmed - and in close up! Who does that?!! Couldn't help but think some serious PR is taking place!And so she's taken up the mantle, leading the charge with, "If you thought my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you have just unleashed across this entire country and this world." Sounds like fighting words to me and certainly mirrors Trump's Butler "Fight Fight Fight" clarion call.
And just like with Clayton, power has been given to whatever agenda this is playing out. Sure, Israel's a key player, but on a deeper level, isn't this a 4D/3D power play to move the scale from just hateful rhetoric to actual violence in the streets, attacking leftists, rounding them up, and putting them away for good! And yes, we can see the very obvious danger of this kind of official tyrannical action. Pretty much a "first they came for the illegal immigrants, then they came for the leftists, then they came " . . . well, you know the rest.
So yeah - it's appears to be getting incredibly real now with this Kirk assassination. But who really are all the players? Maybe it goes a lot deeper than we suspect. The former Miss Arizona - and truly, a total looker and scads of photos of the picture perfect family. Well now, funny how that might figure in setting up the conservative right for revengeful outrage and action - just like Clayton has proclaimed. And this on the heels of that pretty, very white immigrant girl being viciously slain by a black mental monster on the loose due to a leftist activist judge - plus the coincidental slash to the neck. Just sayin'.
And so the youth have had their JFK moment. Are they ready to be further targeted for thinking unacceptable thoughts/speaking out against Israel, by their own government? Passports confiscated, rights restricted, and even possible internment in camps? How's that going to work with mid-terms on the horizon? Or will their voting rights be revoked should they have anti-Israel opinions? And what part is the new, post-Charlie Turning Point going to play in all this? Is civil war the aim and getting the conservative right of all ages riled up by these violent events the reason they happened in the first place?
The latest:
It appears then, that Mangione has been undeclared a terrorist. Which is great particularly since the Cs said he didn't do it and this idea of declaring people terrorists is a road we do not want to go down for reasons previously stated.
This reads like it was written by the FBI to corroborate their story.
Interesting. No doubt Owens's conversion also influenced him.
The 'American Protestant Church' - if you could loosely aggregate all its branches under one name - is doctrinally 'bound to Israel'. And that, for sincere Christians, given all the murderous barbarism they've witnessed in Palestine since 2023, would weigh on their conscience.
Dispensationalism and the Scofield bible has done a real number on American Protestantism.
Owens's courage is phenomenal!
She is at serious risk of becoming a 'martyr' though, and leaving her 4 young children without a mother.
It's not something we would advise her to do, but I don't think she would listen to advice to the contrary anyway.
She's now frontally challenging two heads of state, and one them terrifies all other world leaders.
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That letter reads like an adult pretending to be a kid.
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