Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history
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Ricardo
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fwiw . agreed , though C.K's side videos seem to show he was not wearing a vest , a ballistic plate needs a holder vest of some sort , but his back seems devoid of showing any type of straps or bulge of any sort that could hold a plate , which from what I've seen so far rules out a plate ricochet and then fragments hitting carotid artery (?).
Not saying it's a slam dunk, but watch the Paramount Tactical videos again:
SummerLite also posted this video. At around 1:17:00 they share a video of a guy shooting rifles at body armor plates. In the slow motion you can see some of the fragments deflect. To get most of the points these guys make, watch from around 1:13:00 until around 1:35:00. Quick summary: motion of shirt, body, and head suggests impact coming from the front; no sign of any impact to the neck or head from the side or behind; if the hole in his neck was an exit wound, you would see an initial spray of blood and flesh followed by bleeding, instead, the blood gushes forth after the wound appears.
ADDED: PT made some similar points in this new video:
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Yep. It's interesting how power reveals who people really are. You can have a Justinian or a Putin. Procopius' book is a gold mine of knowledge.
Which Lobaczewski himself pointed out was part of the problem. Buying into the use of inadequate naturalistic terms in the wrong context opens people to the exact ponerogenic influences he was warning about.
I've heard other comments on the inadequacies of all these videos taken by cell phones. The very poor resolution may account for why some think the bullet didn't hit the chest because no rip in the shirt is seen. Here he says the body armor may have been white so blending in with the shirt.
The second video leaves me questioning so needs more detail if this is correct. What type of bullet will pierce the body armor and go into his body? Is he wearing a cheap Walmart brand? Why would a bullet, which is moving at such force, richocet off another body part like bone? Wouldn't the bone be shattered as well? Seems more likely the bullet would go straight threw the body not upward.
The video I posted shows the bulge on his back while sitting in a chair. His explanations with video footage is quite detailed and addresses most all of these questions and statements people are proposing. With slowing down the footage, the movement of the body armor can be seen. He also speaks of the drawbacks when using cell phone images.
Ricardo
The Living Force
This type of plate carrier looks to be a likely possibility since it seems to blend well under other clothes, and , ricochet and no exit wound which would be far more explicit would also further this hypotheses. fwiw.
Thanks for posting this. I should have put in the time stamp as its such a long video, my mistake.
Ok, understanding how phone vids aren't providing sharp, accurate images and can lead to false assumptions. Proposed theories revolve around whether or not Charlie was wearing a vest vs just the ear piece wiring that went around the back of the neck and down the front of his shirt. Firstly, in regards to Niall's X above, if he had on a vest, how could the bullet go clear through it, his body/hitting the spinal cord, and exiting through the neck? What was the point of wearing a vest if it provided no more protection than that?
That being said, another theory is a guy in front of Charlie made the shot with a protector palm pistol hidden in his hand. The best explanation of this is on rense.com, but I actually saw the guy with the suspicious hand/fingers somewhere else long before the rense link was posted in the comments (by Hyde Insight) to the Sott Charlie Kirk sacred totem of civil rights article.
Guy in the brown shirt - in the other pic I saw of this man, there was a close up of his hand and it looked very suspicious that something was hidden between his fingers - you can sort of see it here, but very blurry:
Screenshot > Isolated loop vid > link
Here's vid of Charlie being carried away and there is a man in a brown shirt - same guy?
So, is this guy the killer? The kill shot went straight to the neck without hitting vest or shirt or anything else? And yes, wouldn't the autopsy clearly show a neck entrance wound and a bullet size way different from a rifle? Why haven't we heard anything about autopsy findings?!
And that's what we saw. The roof shooter narrative should be going down in flames based solely on its absurdity if nothing else.
Candace has released next video. Little more calmer today, still trusting her instincts and raised few interesting questions related FBI discord conversations, tried to create sequence of timelines that has lot of holes and raised questions about where Tyler slept the night after shooting etc.
- Though she doesn't say specifically, she is hinting Tyler's transgender friend Lance Twigg may be his handler based on few points
- Fed immediately released Lance after talking to her at 10 or 11PM. This is confirmed by Lance's family and another source who talked to candace.
- Lance's mother is psychologist, a theme keep repeating. ( probably candace is influenced by distrust of Freud)
- in the chat, Lance was using words like 'retrieve' and 'vehicle' rarely used in common conversations.
- the maroon shirt guys in CCTV photos captured at 8 AM may not be Tyler.
- She mentioned she know white shirt security guy with cell phone, black shirt signaling guy and the guy removed the camera.
- she talked to the camera removal guy and asked him to show the video. the video guy mentioned that he will talk to the lawyer and get back to her.
- she thinks white shirt guy is innocent and she knows him
- she thinks black shirt guy does that type signals as a matter of fact.
- I am not sure whether she is so innocent to believe that video that will come to her is without tampering? I doubt.
- She had been talking about monsters, devils, disgusted by the lies and so on. I am not sure she is seriously aware of how psychopaths work. The concepts of OP's and undergrounders etc. I hope she will read Cass content.
Ruth
The Living Force
I personally think the death penaltry for the shooter is a bad decision. Death tends to do two things: 1. Make martyrs of the dead, and 2. Tidy up loose ends that the PTB want to hide. For these two reasons I think the death penaltry is a bad idea. But, I am neither German nor American.
. I did wonder why the death penalty wasn't being discussed much.
I watched a short clip of him last night giving a speech which showed his strength in integrity and speaking the truth. I've seen him mainly on other venues like his podcast and other interviews but not giving a more formal speech. It was powerful and charismatic which made me think what others have said, he could run for president some day and win. With more maturity I think he would have made an excellent president, and so another reason for him to go.......Just want to note here that I didn't really know of Charlie Kirk except maybe his name very vaguely. After taking in everything posted in this thread about him, especially Candace's first vid after his death, I'm blown away by who he was - a juggernaut for his beliefs particularly the political aspects - and that he was so kind, funny, intelligent, and a spiritually committed person wanting to counter the clearly nonspiritual movements that had taken root especially among the youth. What a great loss to our country and the cause of truth - and didn't it look like Charlie was on the path to real truth concerning Israel which must have been a very bitter pill for him to consider swallowing. I think a consoling thought regarding his tragic and untimely death was his tremendous faith that has spirited him into the arms of his Savior, Jesus Christ. His family is also of this belief as spoken by his grieving wife. Charlie, his wife and two beautiful children did not deserve this horrible act of insane violence. It truly hurts my heart and frankly, I'm picturing millions of loosh straws employed all over the world which really upsets me. Honest grief is just a feeding ground for the 4DSTS particularly as this death was no doubt orchestrated by their earthly minions.
Rest in Peace Charlie. You've left a legacy that will mark a true Turning Point in our current time.
We lost a shining Light. It has felt like a Turning Point these last few days in direction for the country with his death. Charlie was the straw that broke the camels back. Hopefully this turning continues on with positive developments.
On the darker side of things it has shown more clearly, how many of those on the left are absolute believers the conservatives are evil Nazi's.... we have a serious mental health problem in this country, nurtured to cause division and hate. One can see the push for civil war with this. Fortunately we have people already warning, don't fall into their trap.
Ruth
The Living Force
These seem to be people who haven't 'woken up' yet. A large number of people will simply 'go along with what everyone else is doing', regardless of how catastrophically bad it is. This is to the point where it actually harms them or kills them. Maybe they wake up from that, maybe they don't. Perhaps they have been programmed to both be obedient and to not notice inconsistencies and lies.
The person I was thinking about tends to engage in magical thinking, gets hysterical if people don't support their views and threatens to evict people from a group if they don't absolutely agree with their perspective (which may or may not have some merit). I think they have a weakness of being emotionally vulnerable and can (very easily) be made mentally unstable if attacked by the PTB.
I'm wondering if the mystery surrounding 'fake' stuff isn't 'planted' by the PTB. Certain people will glob onto that and believe it wholeheartedly. Here's a few examples:
1. The Moon landing was fake.
2. The Earth is flat.
3. The Covid-19 virus doesn't exist and that as a result, NO viruses exist. This is one that the person I'm talking about subsribes to, although I think it's just for Covid-19 at this stage.
4. The 'no-plane' theory of 911.
5. Putin is a dictator who has killed many people.
I think there is more to this than meets the eye and people seem to be becoming increasingly hysterical over these beliefs.
Moine
The Force is Strong With This One
Why let a forensic pathologist muddy the narrative with inconvenient findings, when you can instead let the attending at the emergency center to rubber stamp and "brown bag" the cause of death, with no possibility for an inquest to be opened due to potential foul play?
This is why public assassination is used as an effective tool of hitting multiple birds, with a single stone. Your narrative passes initial scrutiny when published, a perpetrator is quickly hounded, while the motive and any evidence gets white-washed, and any who would have been otherwise questioned for their potential involvement in criminal conspiracy get to avoid rather lengthy rounds of questioning, embarrassment and eventual prosecution.
However, that's assuming anyone in positions of responsibility and authority actually had integrity to begin with.
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