How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

Here you go..

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(and there's more in that session about why 4D STO doesn't switch back to STS)

March 4, 1995

Q: (L) Does that mean that when a person is a 4th density candidate that they have to leave their body to go to 4th density?

A: Yes unless they are in the body when the wave arrives.

(...)

Leave their body..., poof you disappear.:-D
 
Going back to the initial question of this thread, i.e., “How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?”, what I have thought is the following:

Consciousness is something that is present in all creation.
Each density has a certain type of consciousness that characterizes and defines it as such. Even stones have their corresponding consciousness.

And we know that information and consciousness are directly related, right?
And we also know that if there is physical matter involved, there is information stored or contained in certain subatomic particles of that matter.

Add to that the fact that our thoughts can be recorded in the physical matter near us.
And the key to this, it seems to me, is that it is not just a simple recording on a physical medium. It is also an affectation and influence on the state of that matter. (There are wonderful studies on that, such as “The Memory of Water”, etc.).

Now let's think about the fact that in both 1D and 2D, physical matter is a rather preponderant element. At least from our perspective.

Considering all that, I can't imagine that human activity and especially his thoughts, are something inert for 1D and 2D close or in contact.

And it seems to me very inspired on your part TC, that idea of involving in the equation, that the planets are also windows through which cosmic information flows.

Let's imagine a planet where there is flora and fauna, but without human presence.
There, the information that receives and affects this flora and fauna (1D and 2D), bequeaths to them only from that direction.
That is to say, only cosmic information and therefore, perhaps this information is of an objective nature, so to speak. Perhaps, stable information would be a term applicable to that.

I think because of the stability of that information, it is catalyst-poor.
The result of that is a very slow learning process for those 1D and 2D (long wave cycle) beings.

Now let's think of a similar planet, with flora and fauna, but this time with human presence.

In this case, there the flora and fauna not only receives cosmic information through the planetary portal, as in the previous case, but also receives and is affected by a large baggage of information coming from human activity and thought.

This information, unlike the other, has a great deal of subjectivity, since it is relative and inherent to the subjective experience of humans. Speaking in the same terms I used before, this would be unstable information, so to speak.
And this information, being inherent in human experiences, is rich in catalysts. That increases the potential for more rapid advancement of 1D and 2D. (they go into a short wave cycle)
That's pretty much how I imagine it.

What intrigues me a bit, is that the C's to refer to this faster cycle of 1D and 2D by interaction with humans, said “Physical and ethereal shortwave cycle”.
I wonder if what 1D and 2D experience as the ethereal part, has something to do for example, with the flora, fauna and minerals, which are present and shaping the environment that humans inhabit in 5D.
Because if this environment is a mental creation, what is not?
And if so, these 1D and 2D beings would be fellow travelers of humans, not only when humans are embodied, but also when humans are in 5D.
For now that is what occurs to me, regarding what would be the ethereal part, of the 1D and 2D in a “physical and ethereal shortwave cycle”.

As to whether 1D and 2D beings that are in a long wave cycle die or don't die, I think what they experience is just the life of an ecosystem. Where if ben there are creatures that are born and die, it is all part of the cyclic dynamics of that ecosystem.
If so, this could relate to the following:

This makes me wonder now if there’s something akin to an organic portal for 1st to 2nd density, what about from 3rd to 4th:huh:
:-):-D

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How I see it, if you are a 3D STS being reaching 51% "STO" in this life, you would still be in this 3D STS world until you either die or a realm border crossing event occurs.


See here additional info about realms: Realm

p.s. you do realize you can also research this things? 😉 It´s good to theorize but before spamming ideas you could research your idea first and then when you see that something is not clear or you are stuck - ask.
Memory serves me well this time. This is where I got the poofing off idea, other sources say the same thing.


Session 14 January 1994
A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?

A: Yes.

Q: (F) Yeah, I've heard of that. (T) Sure, people disappear that all the time. (L) Well, I don't think it happens that often, but I think it happens... (F) It has happened. (J) Peopledisappear and you never hear what happened to them. (F) There have been cases where people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit them and Poof! (T) Like spontaneous combustion... (F) No... (J) Not spontaneous combustion because the body is left behind. (F) There have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that person is Spffft! Gonzerooni! (L) Gonzerooni? (F) Once and for all! (T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile? (L) Total lack of concern for self.

A: Yes.
 
And I believe 51% STO corresponds to "total STO profile" somehow because, otherwise, 100% STO/positivity would probably mean "big-bang" (7D).
Total usually means 100%. If they meant 51% I think they would have said "majority STO", "primarily STO" or something similar. And I think the 51% STO requirement to reach 4D with the Wave was only mentioned by Ra, but not by the C's as far as I know.

I think that only 3000 people reaching 100% STO in 300,000 years makes sense, since it is almost impossible. Maybe the requirements for the graduation to 4D with the Wave are much lower at 51% STO.
 
Total usually means 100%. If they meant 51% I think they would have said "majority STO", "primarily STO" or something similar. And I think the 51% STO requirement to reach 4D with the Wave was only mentioned by Ra, but not by the C's as far as I know.

I think that only 3000 people reaching 100% STO in 300,000 years makes sense, since it is almost impossible. Maybe the requirements for the graduation to 4D with the Wave are much lower at 51% STO.
No, I think you're clearly mistaken "again", axj. You seem to be in a rush to prove me wrong in any matter? It's so likely that some or many of the numerous points I've been making are wrong to this or that extent, but I think you're yet to find one of them.

You seem to claim that graduation to 4D STO is achieved by 100% (or absolute) STO polarization. What's, then, the difference between the service level of a beginner 4D STO being and a senior one who's maybe close to graduation to 5D? Or, between that beginner and a Higher Self in 6D? Can their scope or level of service be the same?

STO is "positivity", and STS "negativity". Positivity is towards "being", negativity "non-being".

100% STO is synonymous with 100% being, which is what happens in big-bang at the summit of 7D, because you be one with ALL. That's what 100% means.

Level of STO is increased in parallel to awareness through densities. 100% STO polarization would mean 100% awareness/knowledge/being.
 
Total usually means 100%.
Obviously, you were misled by the term "total". You can be increasing your STO polarization, and let's say it's around 40 to 50 percent. The word "total" implies the specific level of polarization from which there's "no return". So, until and unless you achieve 51% STO, you can change your mind, but not after 51%.
 
No, I think you're clearly mistaken "again", axj. You seem to be in a rush to prove me wrong in any matter? It's so likely that some or many of the numerous points I've been making are wrong to this or that extent, but I think you're yet to find one of them.

You seem to claim that graduation to 4D STO is achieved by 100% (or absolute) STO polarization. What's, then, the difference between the service level of a beginner 4D STO being and a senior one who's maybe close to graduation to 5D? Or, between that beginner and a Higher Self in 6D? Can their scope or level of service be the same?

STO is "positivity", and STS "negativity". Positivity is towards "being", negativity "non-being".

100% STO is synonymous with 100% being, which is what happens in big-bang at the summit of 7D, because you be one with ALL. That's what 100% means.

Level of STO is increased in parallel to awareness through densities. 100% STO polarization would mean 100% awareness/knowledge/being.
Total requirement in 3D (according to Ra) is 51%. That should clear up the loose ends. I agree that 100% service to others would be impossible to achieve while having a physical body in 3D.
 
You seem to be in a rush to prove me wrong in any matter?

A couple of things.

Firstly, and for what it’s worth, something like axj’s interpretation that 51% STO is required for graduation due to the wave, and 100% required for instantaneous graduation (a la Fulcanelli) regardless of our point in the cycle, fits my own interpretation. I’m not saying it’s a complete theory, or even that it’s true; just that it’s the understanding I’ve personally come to from reading the sessions and Laura’s works.

Secondly, there is an in-built epistemological problem with the subjects we’re exploring in this thread: we’re probably dealing with some things that are probably impossible for humans to know or understand.

But we also work here on this forum with a principle of networking. Socrates believed that before we are born, we already know everything. I don’t believe that fits with our general understanding of human life and death (3D/5D cycle), but one of the reasons he came to that idea was because he observed the fact that what we refer to as ‘networking’ (in his terminology, ‘dialectic’) enabled people to access knowledge and understanding that they couldn’t have known before by talking about things amongst themselves.

I started this thread as an experiment to see if we could use networking to rationally unveil ideas about the question I posed which made sense based on the metaphysical frameworks that the C’s have given us.

But if we are to participate in the most efficient and effective networking possible, our ideas need to be challenged, so that we can practice our logical thinking processes and research methods. IMO, axj has been doing a good job of coming up with critiques and counter arguments and counter interpretations, and in that sense, is really helping the discussion.

I would advise that you go back through some of their posts and read them as if they might actually be right and how you might be wrong. And then do some thinking and search the transcripts to see if you can prove or disprove your own ideas and axj’s ideas. When you feel like you can’t get any further, compile your work and quotes and ideas into a post and post it back into the thread. Honestly, your response to axj about 100% not meaning ‘total’ sounds like you might have gotten frustrated.

We should all take note of Mari’s recent comment - it’s all well and good for us to throw out ideas, but there’s so much in the sessions that we need to do some searching first before we propose things.
 
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Total requirement in 3D (according to Ra) is 51%. That should clear up the loose ends. I agree that 100% service to others would be impossible to achieve while having a physical body in 3D.
Yes, in fact the term "100% service to others" can be a misnomer because there are "no others" (all is one) when 100% positivity/being is achieved in big-bang (7D). As I said before based on the Ra-Cassiopaean cosmology the terms STO and STS lose their meanings beginning from 5D (non-duality), more so in 6D (where STO and STS merge), and absolutely in 7D (absolute oneness). But positivity vs negativity, or being vs non-being are still applicable.
 
something like axj’s interpretation that 51% STO is required for graduation due to the wave, and 100% required for instantaneous graduation
I thought axj said 100% STO is needed for graduation to 4D STO? You seem to imply there are two types of graduations and two different percentages are necessary for these graduations (a) 51% STO for graduation due to wave , and (2) 100% STO for instantaneous graduation. This doesn't sound right to me.
 
But if we are to participate in the most efficient and effective networking possible, our ideas need to be challenged, so that we can practice our logical thinking processes and research methods. IMO, axj has been doing a good job of coming up with critiques and counter arguments and counter interpretations, and in that sense, is really helping us.
Please, don't suppose that I request or require anyone to not challenge my views. I'm completely open and willing for challenges or critiques because these challenge me to view and change or improve my ideas. But, yes, I did imply that I suspected that axj might have had an egotistical motive in the way he insisted on the inacuracy of one or two of my views. I might be right or wrong in this suspicion. I believe that my statement of this suspicion can also be a contribution to the networking effort, depending on how the situation is handled.

I would advise that you go back through some of their posts and read them as if they might actually be right and how you might be wrong. And then do some thinking and search the transcripts to see if you can prove or disprove your own ideas and axj’s ideas. When you feel like you can’t get any further, compile your work and quotes and ideas into a post and post it back into the thread.
I have already been re-reading my and some of others' posts for review, and I have already been taking great efforts, in my own view, to support my ideas with session quotes. And you are free and welcome to do the same especially regarding my views which you don't agree with.

Honestly, your response to axj about 100% not meaning ‘total’ sounds like you might have gotten frustrated.
You are twisting the issue, I suspect. The subject of that discussion is not about whether the terms "100%" and "total" are synonymous or not. Please check it again.
 
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I thought axj said 100% STO is needed for graduation to 4D STO? You seem to imply there are two types of graduations and two different percentages are necessary for these graduations (a) 51% STO for graduation due to wave , and (2) 100% STO for instantaneous graduation. This doesn't sound right to me.
I was just thinking about this. I haven’t read Fulcinelli as @T.C. mentioned but contemplating this from Laura and C’s it now appears to me that total means 100%, total lack of concern for the self doesn’t mean 49% concern for the self.
When I was thinking that would be impossible in 3D with a body my thoughts were going to the need to eat, sleep, pee, etcetera, then I thought about how we could do those things to be of better service to others, ie; I must nap so I can return to caring for ‘…’ more effectively, and that kind of thinking can be extrapolated to every action that must be undertaken in care of the physical body.

A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?

A: Yes.

Q: (F) Yeah, I've heard of that. (T) Sure, people disappear that all the time. (L) Well, I don't think it happens that often, but I think it happens... (F) It has happened. (J) Peopledisappear and you never hear what happened to them. (F) There have been cases where people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit them and Poof! (T) Like spontaneous combustion... (F) No... (J) Not spontaneous combustion because the body is left behind. (F) There have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that person is Spffft! Gonzerooni! (L) Gonzerooni? (F) Once and for all! (T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile? (L) Total lack of concern for self.

A:
Yes
So that leaves me thinking that the 51% Ra talks about is related to polarisation at harvest time, not instantaneously disappearing when reached.
 
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Honestly, your response to axj about 100% not meaning ‘total’ sounds like you might have gotten frustrated.

You are twisting the issue, I suspect. The subject of that discussion is not about whether the terms "100%" and "total" are synonymous or not. Please check it again.
Oh, I'm sorry, T.C.. I misunderstood what you meant by "frustration", and yes, I had a certain amount of frustration in that response of mine, due to the reasons I tried to explain in my previous post.
 
Total usually means 100%. If they meant 51% I think they would have said "majority STO", "primarily STO" or something similar. And I think the 51% STO requirement to reach 4D with the Wave was only mentioned by Ra, but not by the C's as far as I know.

I think that only 3000 people reaching 100% STO in 300,000 years makes sense, since it is almost impossible. Maybe the requirements for the graduation to 4D with the Wave are much lower at 51% STO.

For greater clarity on the matter the following:



February 25, 1995


Q: (BP) Who is M__ H__?

A: True STO.

Q: (J) True STO? Wow! (L) Who is M__ H__? (BP) Is she a 5th density walk-in?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) Where does she live? (L) Who is this person? (T) Is there more besides just a yes?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, continue.

A: Exactly!!

(...)

That person didn't disappear in a Poof.
:-D
 
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