(Peri)menopause

Personally, I would throw those birth control pills in the trash. I don’t think the positives outweigh the negatives. If you are using them for the progesterone effects just use the cream
From all the research Gaby published here, as well as Dani, who is no longer active on the forum, but contributed to great info, and I also kept researching with the help of Grok, I came to the conclusion that:

- Oral estrogen has always caused me problems, even when I was young, but now I know why. Estrogen is better taken bioidentical and transdermal.

- Progesterone is better taken orally, because it will eventually cause problems when taken transdermally, as per Gaby's post:
Here is an important update on progesterone cream by Dr. Mercola:


Avianne28 is causing me digestive problems (nausea, feeling bloated, intolerance to carbs, food sitting in the stomach too long), so I had to switch to taking it after dinner to diminish those problems, until I finish the pack and see my doctor this Friday to change my prescription. The only positive effect I witnessed: I sleep better. Thank god...

I found out why it does that:
- Oral estrogens (like ethinyl estradiol in Aviane) often irritate the stomach lining, slows digestion, and triggers nausea or that "full but need to eat" feeling. It relaxes the lower esophageal sphincter and delays gastric emptying → carbs that already ferment or sit heavy now feel unbearable.

- Wheat, rice, and many oat-milk coffee drinks are high in fructans or excess fructose → ferment in the gut → gas, burping, bloating. Hormones make the gut more sensitive.

Why taking oral estrogen in the evening works better:
  • Gives your stomach a full meal (protein + fat) right before or with the pill → the estrogen is absorbed more slowly and irritates the stomach lining much less.
  • Gastric emptying is naturally faster in the evening for many people, so the pill + food doesn’t “sit” as long.
  • Peak estrogen blood levels happen while you’re asleep → you skip the daytime nausea/bloating window completely.
  • Real-world data: 60–80 % of women who switch from morning to bedtime dosing report that nausea and bloating disappear or become minimal within 3–7 days.
List of all side effects of oral Estrogen
Mood changes, depression, weight gain, breast tenderness, loss of libido, headaches, Spotting or breakthrough bleeding


I want to start hormone supplementation because I'm at the early stage of perimenopause, and I don't want to wait until the symptoms are out of control before stabilising myself. As per Gaby's last post, it might be better to start earlier than later.
The new trend. Topical (cream/patches) estrogen in low doses paired with natural progesterone should make a difference for many women.

Also, I need to reduce my blood loss since my periods are too strong and I'm borderline anemic. For that, contraceptive progesterone doses work better than micronised hormonal therapy doses.

Oral Progesterone choices
- Contraceptive Progesterone (Norethindrone 0.35 mg - Synthetic): Oral micronized progesterone can sometimes cause mild drowsiness or bloating, but it's far less nauseating than the synthetic progestins (like levonorgestrel in Aviane) combined with oral estrogen. Slightly higher chance of mild nausea or mood changes than Drospirenone.

- Contraceptive Progesterone (Drospirenone 4 mg - Synthetic): Best-tolerated modern mini-pill. Very low nausea rate, often lighter or no periods, and is especially good if you also have acne or PMS. Women who are “super-sensitive to synthetic hormones” usually tolerate the best and report the fewest digestive/mood side effects.

- Hormonal Therapy (Prometrium, Utrogestan, 100–200 mg - Bio-identical). Not contraceptive. Best for menopause.

Bio-identical estrogen patch options
  • Estradot (0.025–0.1 mg/day; changed twice weekly) – Most prescribed in Canada; Novo Nordisk.
  • Climara (0.025–0.1 mg/day; once weekly) – Bayer;
  • Vivelle-Dot (0.025–0.1 mg/day; twice weekly) – Pfizer.

Novo Nordisk is a Danish multinational pharmaceutical company founded in 1923 and headquartered in Bagsværd, Denmark. It's one of the world's largest producers of diabetes care products and has grown into a global leader in treatments for serious chronic diseases.
It operates differently from those giants—it's not a sprawling conglomerate with deep ties to agrochemicals (like Bayer's pesticides/Monsanto merger) or a history of major opioid scandals and aggressive patent tactics (like Pfizer's). Its foundation-owned model prioritizes patient access and ethical R&D, with transparent commitments to affordability (e.g., capping insulin prices in the U.S.). That said, no pharma company is perfect—Novo Nordisk has faced criticism for supply shortages of Ozempic/Wegovy and high drug prices in some markets—but it's generally viewed as more "mission-driven" and less profit-obsessed than U.S.-based Big Pharma


Regarding contraception, not that I need it yet, but it's good to keep in mind that it's complicated for many reasons:

Tracking cycle
Women who are fertile and sexually active in perimenopause might find this challenging and not reliable. I had a few surprise, unwanted pregnancies in my life by using the tracking cycle method, even though I had a very regular cycle. I'm now very irregular and want to fix that.

Condoms
Just want to point out that it works great for many people, but there are some minorities for whom it does not work, such as men with erectile dysfunction or with smaller organs. Some men lose their erection when putting on a condom, and some can't reach an orgasm. And there is always the "it slipped/stayed inside" scenario. Then, add those who prefer "skin to skin" and/or being able to be spontaneous.

Copper IUD: hurts like hell
Hormone IUD: never tried, never researched, so I don't know, but I once tried "NuvaRing" (a vaginal ring) when I was young and almost vomited from nausea 3 nights in a row. I cursed and threw it in the garbage.


Hopefully, women will eventually have more support and resources to help them through this transition. From talking to people around me, I realize that most of them are completely lost and have no idea what to do or who to trust. They just endure...
 
Thanks Gaby,
That’s helpful.
I already exercise intensely, lots of sweating. So hopefully everything all together will help. Will let you all know how it goes.
So my blood tests came back pretty good overall. Even my ferritin was well within the normal range,I’ve never seen it so high, historically I struggled to get it over 20, the bottom of the range given in New Zealand. My bleeding was always pretty normal as an adult, never excessive so I wonder if my gut is absorbing nutrients better with the low oxalate diet.

Hot flashes have reduced considerably and so I’m getting some sleep, back to my normal of not very good quality sleep but much better than the distressing insomnia I was experiencing whilst I was feeling like I was in a frying pan every night. Other things, no longer painful and reduced dryness, so that’s a relief for both me and my husband.

FSH: 90.0 U/L
LH: 57.2 U/L
Oestradiol: <50 pmol/L
Testosterone: 0.7 nmol/L ( 0-3 )

I have not menstruated since beginning of July this year. So still 6 months away from actually being classed as through menopause. I’m a little uncertain what I should do with HRT timing. The doctor waffled a bit, she said I could take both continually, or start the Estradot patches and then after a few weeks start the progesterone and take that for 12 days then stop.

Or take it for 25 days on and 5 off.

So decided to follow the NZ guidelines for women not yet one year since last period.

For past 4 weeks I have been on Estradot patches 50mg, two a week, so new patch every 3 and 1/2 days.
Then I started oral micronised nature identical progesterone 5 days ago, 200 mg per night and will take that for total 12 days before stopping for 17 days. Then start again. I chose 29 days as that was my normal cycle.

My blood tests show very low Oestradiol so I’m not sure I’m doing the right thing and my doctor seemed to advise I need to find what works for me.
 
So, my results are back and my testosterone is low, 0,7 (that's all they said). Progesteron 1.2 and Estradiol 43.3. So, the GP has now prescribed Tostran, a testosterone 2% gel. So, I will have to experiment and wait and see. I have been applying Progesterone cream off and on, but so far I haven't been able to find any data as to what are normal hormone levels for postmenopausal women.
I think that is similar to my testosterone level, if it’s in the same units 0.7 nmol/L, the normal range I was given on my test result was 0-3.
My doctor said it was fine but it seems low to me according to the range given.
I’m not recovering sufficiently well from
strength training in past 6months which worries me. My work is quite physical and I can’t afford to lose strength. @Gaby Testosterone cream for women is available in New Zealand and will ask about it if things don’t improve.
I need to get more REM sleep first as I read testosterone release peaks during the REM phase.

@Gwenllian,
How are you feeling?
What’s working well for you?
 
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These primary health care guidelines for testosterone replacement therapy in perimenopause and menopause are very well balanced and reasonable:


Practical points

  • Testosterone can be a useful adjunct to HRT care in many women.
  • Check the patient is well oestrogenised before starting (no vasomotor symptoms).
  • Calculate FAI = total testosterone/SHBG × 100 and if in the lowest quartile (<1%) consider a trial of testosterone.
  • Check FAI after starting treatment and aim to keep it <5%.

SHBG= sex hormone binding globulin. SHBG is a glycoprotein that binds to androgens, hence "neutralizing" the androgen.

If unsure of symptoms, use the FAI formula. If symptoms, which are very context specific, consider also a trial. An example that comes to mind is women with congenital conjunctive tissue disorders who have a problem keeping muscle mass during menopause. Those in the spectrum simply don't put any muscle mass as there's a softness to the tissues that is just hardwired regardless of efforts. The best they could do is keep tonified. A drop in testosterone favors muscle mass loss during menopause and it compounds proprioceptive problems, which makes them more reluctant to work out as these problems favors pain. So testosterone replacement therapy is a very good option in this case.

If both the FAI formula and symptoms favor a trial of testosterone, then, go for it.

Testosterone doses for women

  • Testogel® ([Besins Healthcare UK Ltd] 1% testosterone gel in 5.0 g sachets containing 50 mg testosterone): starting dose 1/10 of a sachet/day = 5 mg/day, that is, each sachet should last 10 days.
  • Tostran® ([Kyowa Kirin Ltd] 2% testosterone gel in a canister containing 60 g): starting dose 1 metered pump of 0.5–10 mg on alternate days — each canister should last 240 days.
  • AndroFeme® ([Lawley Pharmaceuticals] 1% testosterone cream in 50 ml tubes with screw cap) (only available privately): starting dose 0.5 ml/day = 5 mg/day, that is, each tube should last 100 days.

 
Just wanted to give an update on my progest-E experience: Taking progesterone the whole cycle, like Ray Peat suggested for estrogen dominance, hasn’t really been working. I was breaking out with acne the week after my period was done and just not feeling great, so I am now taking it cyclically again (day 14-28). I felt better without progesterone on my period, I have had some small breakouts after but not like when I was taking progesterone.
 
Thank you for asking. I have taken a break from the testosterone gel, as I am taking many supplements, DMSO/Ivermectin, and doing red light/near and far infrared therapy ATM in order to shrink the carcinoma on my scalp. But I am planning on using it again.

I've recently found interesting information on rose bengal on treating malignant melanoma, which might be another treatment angle to add? In any case, I wish you a thorough and swift recovery, @Gwenllian!

Quoting the relevant info again here:

Rose bengal – Successful studies on its use in skin and breast cancer have been forgotten.

To my knowledge, the organic dye Rose bengal is not a natural substance, so it is produced exclusively industrially, and is a tried and tested, very well-tolerated diagnostic agent and dye in histology. How and why someone one day came up with the idea of using it to treat malignant melanoma is unknown to me, but the results were so astonishingly positive, including the disappearance of all metastases, that further studies were conducted and the drug was to be submitted for approval ... . The same applies to studies on the treatment of breast cancer. It can be assumed that this simple and comparatively inexpensive Rose bengal can also be used for other types of cancer that have not yet been studied.

The procedure is always the same and very simple. A 10% stock solution of Bengal pink (e.g., from www.alchemist.de) is used, which is injected in quantities of approximately 0.5 ml directly into the center of the respective primary tumor. What sounds wild at first is a simple and established procedure. No, an injection with a fine needle, which has a beveled tip, is not comparable to a puncture with a punch needle!!! Alternatively, the DMSO-containing Rose bengal solution can also be applied externally and locally to tumors close to the surface. This also applies to actinic keratoses, for example.

Cancer treatment with Rose bengal – Current status

The organic dyes hematoxylin, methylene blue, and Rose Bengal can be used to treat various types of cancer, among other applications. This has already been discussed in several newsletters. Rose Bengal in particular is attracting a lot of interest because, beyond its place in integrative medicine and empirical medicine, it is also being researched “seriously,” i.e., at greater expense. As already mentioned, the Ärztezeitung newspaper ran the astonishing headline in September 2017: “Melanoma – Rose Bengal brings disease into remission.” Freely translated: Black skin cancer – Rose Bengal makes the disease disappear. Here is the link again: Melanom – Bengalrosa bringt Erkrankung in Remission

In an earlier article on Rose Bengal, we explained why it makes sense to not limit treatment with Rose Bengal to melanoma alone, but to also apply the method to other types of tumors close to the surface, including breast cancer.
Two studies funded by Provectus Pharmaceuticals Inc. on the use of Rose Bengal in melanoma and breast cancer were conducted in Australia and New Zealand between 2005 and 2008:

PV-10 (Bengalrosa-Dinatrium, 10 %) bei Melanom - Register für klinische Studien - ICH GCP

Das Ziel dieser Studie ist es, die Sicherheit von intraläsionalem (IL) PV-10 für die Behandlung von metastasierendem Melanom zu untersuchen. Diese Studie wird auch eine vorläufige Bewertung des Ansprechens von behandelten und unbehandelten Läsionen durch klinische Bewertung bei der...
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PV-10 (Bengalrosa-Dinatrium 10 %) bei Brustkrebs - Register für klinische Studien - ICH GCP

Das Ziel dieser Studie ist es, die Sicherheit von intraläsionalem (IL) PV-10 zur Behandlung von rezidivierendem Mammakarzinom zu untersuchen. Diese Studie wird auch eine vorläufige Bewertung der Reaktion injizierter Läsionen durch histologische Bewertung nach der Exzision der Läsion 1–3 Wochen...
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The 10% Bengal rose solution used was internally designated PV-10, which makes it easy to find the studies online. This is buffered Bengal rose, which is a free acid.

However, no drug development within the meaning of the Medicines Act has taken place to date. There may be many reasons for this. For us, it means above all that we can continue to obtain this simple mixture as an over-the-counter product. At www.alchemist.de, there is a mixture with an additional 10% DMSO. If you want an exclusively aqueous solution, purchase the powder and add 10 grams of it to 100 ml of pure water. Caution: The powder also stains clothing, skin, furniture, etc.
Numerous therapists have achieved good results with the use of Rose Bengal. For example, Dr. Reinhard Probst's website, under the heading “Infusion Concepts” starting on page 40, describes the mode of action and use of Bengalrosa, together with self-explanatory before and after pictures: https://www.praxisprobst.de/downloads/Biologische-Chemotherapie_Infusionskonzepte.pdf - [this link doesn't work anymore]

Since Rose Bengal has long been administered orally and by injection as a diagnostic agent and is considered completely harmless, it is conceivable that internal tumors could also be treated with water-soluble Rose Bengal, as has been done for decades with hematoxylin solution. Either as a drinkable solution or as an infusion.

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I've recently found interesting information on rose bengal on treating malignant melanoma, which might be another treatment angle to add?
Thank you, Aiming. Rose Bengal sounds very interesting, especially together with DMSO. I think I will try it, also because I like to experiment as I am ready to throw everything at these carcinomas! I will report back.
 
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