Session 22 June 2019

Laura

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For some reason, this session was never published and that was pointed out to me today. So, here it is.


Session Date: June 22nd 2019

Laura, Andromeda, and Artemis at the board

Pierre, Joe, Chu, Ark, PoB, Scottie, Niall, Noko the Wonderdog, The Lunar Module, Princess Leia, Pikabu zee Cat

Q: (L) Today is Saturday, the 22nd of June 2019. [Review of those present] Let us begin.

A: Knowledge does protect! But it must be utilized!

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Gnosissiaea! Cassiopaea in call.

Q: (L) So... The theme of the session I guess will be knowledge and its utilization?

A: Yes. You all have learned and applied many lessons; others as well; some not so much. Knowledge is like the parable of the talents.

Q: (L) And the parable of the talents, does everybody know it?

(Joe) Use it and it grows.

(L) Use it and it grows. If you don't use it, you lose it. Okay. Let's first ask about Pierre's situation. On Friday we got the news that he's got another... um...

(Artemis) Tumor.

(L) Tumor. I don't want to say it!

(Artemis) I know. I helped.

(L) So he has actually three very tiny new tumors. I would like to understand what the deal is here.

A: Every living being while it contains life force, strives toward the creative principle. If there are thought patterns fueled by emotion that are entropic, one of two things can occur. First, the creative force can conflict with the entropic thoughts. The body will then tend to try to encapsulate the force and protect itself. Second, if the balance between creative and entropic force is more equal, the entropy becomes the pattern of the creation, and it becomes systemic.

Q: (L) Can I take a rest? PHEW!

(Artemis) Me too!

(L) Read that back to us. [Review of answer]

(Artemis) Which means he needs to fight his entropic thoughts or patterns, I guess?

(L) Well, I have to think about that. I can't even formulate a question.

(Andromeda) So if the entropic and creative forces within a person are equal, then... What was the last part?

(Joe) "If the balance between creative and entropic force is more equal, the entropy becomes the pattern of the creation, and it becomes systemic."

(L) So, if a person tends more toward creation life, and the entropic thoughts or energies are not dominant, the body tries to encapsulate it and protect itself. But if there is...

(Artemis) If it's evenly matched, then that can cause bad physiological effects.

(Pierre) I think they are saying in a nice way that when there is too much entropy, the pattern of the creation becomes entropic and systemic. I think they are alluding to the creation of tumors. Systemic, recurring creation of tumors...

(Joe) I think the first one applies to you more. Systemic would mean...

(L) A systemic body type thing.

(Chu) Metastasis everywhere.

(Pierre) So these tumors in this sense are symptoms of the body encapsulating those entropic thoughts. It's a conflict, and the way the creative force copes with those entropic thoughts and emotional things is by isolating them.

(L) Isolating, right.

(Pierre) So they don't contaminate or spread. Is our understanding right?

(Artemis) Let them finish what they were saying first.

A: In Pierre's case, good encapsulation is in action. What is necessary is to deflate the entropic thought programming.

Q: (Artemis) And what was the question you had?

(Pierre) Well, they answered the question. So it's an encapsulation process. That means I'm not overloaded with negative entropic thoughts. But now I have to break those entropic thought patterns and programming.

A: You must become immune to the triggers!

Q: (L) So, I guess you need to expose yourself to certain thoughts again and again, using the “Doctrine of the Present” or something like that, until you master them, control them, and can put them at a distance.

A: Yes

Q: (Artemis) So we need to trigger you.

(L) No, I think there are certain things that trigger him already.

(Joe) It could be certain scenarios or dynamics. With Pierre, it relates to other people. So those other people are triggering events or scenarios that tend to get him stuck in circular thought processes. Then he runs away. So you should learn to expose yourself to that...

(L) Yeah. I guess in a sense when you try to make peace about something sometimes, like for example not wanting to deal with this uncle situation you had to face recently, basically you set up a conflict inside yourself. Sometimes, it's better to get things outside than it is to keep it inside. But you have to get it outside with knowledge.

(Andromeda) Being aware of what you're doing while it's happening.

(L) Yeah, it's like you can be angry, and not sin. Righteous anger. Okay, so I guess the next question is kind of along the same line. {Name Redacted} is very concerned about his health. I guess part of the answer is already there. His situation is a little more systemic because it's like a cholesterol problem. It's a full body problem. Does that mean that there is more of entropic thoughts or energy involved?

A: Indeed! {Name Redacted} was warned and advised some time ago. He chose to not just ignore suggestions, but to directly act in opposite directions.

Q: (L) So does that mean you're not going to give him any more advice?

A: One last: It is almost too late as his brain is already suffering the effects of advancing sclerosis and will be almost, if not entirely unable to take these words to heart. But, {Name Redacted}, recall the advice about the dog? It was taken as a joke, but it was loaded with information and coded symbolism. You took the wrong turn almost immediately, and the decline began.

Q: (L) What's the symbolism of the dog?

(Joe) The symbolism of the dog is that he picked a dog that he knew by breed and by looking at it that it was headstrong, willful, defiant, and would do its own thing regardless of what anyone told it to do. That's exactly what {Name Redacted} self-identifies with. It's his self-image. He wanted a dog that reflected exactly what he wanted to be in life.

(L) Is Joe right?

A: Close enough! It is also more than that. The main problem is emotional programming behind the decision. Like all in your realm, {Name Redacted} is programmed to suffer or cause suffering for others. When the choice is made for entropy, as previously described, it can become systemic. And the victim will naturally ignore what is good and follow what is entropic.

Q: (L) I gotta rest my arm again!

(Artemis) Me too!

[Review of answer]

(L) In other words, they make a decision and then all of their actions follow from that decision. They do those things that compound the problem?

(Joe) Negative feedback. It becomes harder and harder to pull yourself out of it.

(L) Yeah. Well, well, well...

(Artemis) Okay, they want to finish, I think...

A: Big decisions made as a culmination of a series of small entropic decisions will then be taken leading to utter disaster.

Q: (L) So, if I'm understanding this correctly... Putting this together with stuff you've said previously, all the cells in your body have these little antennae that connect with information, the soul self, the information field, all that different kind of thing. So, when these different cells connect up with these kinds of energies, then it changes them in some way. I think that {Name Redacted}'s major health issue is cholesterol from what I understand.

(Chu) Or his liver maybe. We don't know.

(Pierre) What is it? Maybe we could ask. They mentioned sclerosis.

(L) Sclerosis is the result of cholesterol deposits on the blood vessels.

(Joe) But you can have sclerosis of the liver as well, right?

(L) Yeah. But usually, if you have that, you have sclerosis of the blood vessels in general.

(Andromeda) That could be from cholesterol, right?

(Joe) I dunno.

(Chu) But in general, sclerosis is a hardening of tissues.

(L) Yeah. There are genetic components, but I suppose it's like they say in the genetics book: you can have the genes for something but never have the condition; it all depends on your mental attitude and actions, I guess.

(Joe) Can we just ask when they said he's already suffering the effects of advancing sclerosis, do they mean sclerosis in a general sense, or of the liver, or what? The brain?

A: Blood vessels.

Q: (Pierre) So it can affect everything.

(Andromeda) Basically his body keeps sending out this cholesterol to counter something...

(L) Something that he's doing or eating or whatever.

(Andromeda) ...in his system, and that accumulates and hardens the vessels.

A: He is not truthful.

Q: (Pierre) About his diet?

(Chu) About what?

A: Diet and other things.

Q: (L) Well, it seems to me that probably the main way he's not being truthful is in not being truthful with himself.

A: Indeed. He has convinced himself that his programmed self-image is the real self. And, sadly, it soon will be.

Q: (L) Well, have we covered that topic enough? Now, what do we have of global importance?

(Joe) Well, we should ask a bit more about Pierre first. What action can be taken from a physical perspective?

A: Knowledge will guide you.

Q: (Joe) Well, we'll continue with the vitamin C... I guess we don't need to ask about that.

(L) We were going to do it every other day, if possible.

(Andromeda) Is it better to do it every other day, or two times a week?

A: Every other day for one cycle, then every three days for a cycle, then back, etc.

Q: (Andromeda) What's one cycle?

(Chu) A week, a month?

A: 8 days.

Q: (Joe) Every other day for 8 days. Then every three days...

(L) Probably for a period of 9 or 12 days. The number of times creates its own cycle.

(Chu) So 4 doses in each cycle.

(L) Alright. Now what?

(Joe) Oh, I wanted to ask one more thing about Pierre: the anti-parasitic thing.

A: Useful!

Q: (Joe) Is it useful for other people here as well to get rid of critters?

A: If needed.

Q: (Joe) How do we know if we need it?

A: Knowledge.

Q: (L) What about muscle testing for whether you need it or not?

A: Yes

[INTERMISSION: "Let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobbYYY, to get ourselves a treat!"]

Q: (Pierre) I want to make sure I understood how something triggers these entropic thought programming things. I think it's along the lines of what you mentioned with my uncle. I also thought about the forum thread with Approaching Infinity. It seems that for some reasons - and I know those reasons, actually - that as soon as there is a hint of conflict and potential negative stuff, I retract. I close inside a shell, so I keep it in myself. That starts those negative thought loops that are probably the source of those tumors. I want to know if that's right?

A: That is precisely the problem!

Q: (Pierre) Oh gosh. For me, I don't exactly know why actually, but for me, conflict is absolutely terrifying. It terrifies me. I think it was because when I was a kid and there are potential conflicts, it wasn't my mother. It was my father who would get violent physically. It terrifies me. It's a very big challenge, but I don't have anything to lose. It terrifies me. There are so many times that I've betrayed myself. It's like a betrayal of the soul or whatever you have in you, and I've done it so many times.

(L) That's what they mean about getting immune to the triggers. Remember what Castaneda said: You have to face petty tyrants before you can face the unknown. Facing petty tyrants should be done with joy. You should be enjoying yourself blue, you know!

(Andromeda) That means not really taking it TOO seriously. It has to be taken seriously, but not deadly serious.

(Joe) What precisely was terrifying?

(L) I think it's the reaction of a child that fears loss of survival. If the parent gets that way when there's a little disagreement, the child is afraid the parent will cut off food, shelter, etc. It means death.

(Pierre) Any kind of conflict or disagreement will send me into those emotional loops. I will retract.

(L) That's when you need to start TALKING about it. Talk about it with us. And believe me, the fear of the bull is a lot bigger than taking him by the horns. When you determine to take him by the horns, he comes and puts his head down and he lets you take him. Okay, any questions on other subjects?

(Artemis) We were gonna ask about the lights.

(L) Oh, the country-wide power outage in Argentina!

A: Sabotage, hidden.

Q: (Chu) By whom?

A: Officials warned to toe line.

Q: (L) Okay, so who did it?

A: CIA.

Q: (L) Okay, Pierre? You’ve been reading the book about the Templars, including transcripts of the trials and you had some questions. (Pierre) The Templars were accused of various things that relate to basically Satanism. Were those accusations true?

A: From a certain perspective, yes.

Q: (Joe) It was what the Catholic church at the time saw as satanic.

(Artemis) So what were they doing then?

(Pierre) Well, they talked about sexual orgies, spitting on the cross, venerating heads...

A: Yes all true.

Q: (Pierre) I was wondering where those satanistic behaviors came from?

A: Islam.

Q: (Pierre) Along the same line, I noticed that in the first years of Protestantism there were many similarities with Judaism. I was wondering if the Reformation was an attempt to split and ultimately destroy Christianity?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Was this split initiated by Kabbalists? There are many similarities between Protestantism and Kabbalism.

A: Yes, the Judaizers have been active since the time of Paul.

Q: (Pierre) That gives a very different perspective on history. The Reformation, Templars, revolution... Three major events that are presented as great improvements all have in common the same destructive nature: destroying Christianity.

A: Law vs Love.

Q: (Pierre) Yeah. In Judaism and Kabbalism, it's all about laws and rules. In Christianity, it's about Jesus and love, tolerance, understanding, and forgiveness.

(Joe) See? Catholics are the best! [laughter]

(L) They've got a lot of rules, too! [laughter]

(Andromeda) Do we have any other general questions?

(Joe) What is the probability of a major American war with Iran?

A: 49 percent.

Q: (Joe) Chernobyl: Was the explanation of how the explosion actually happened, was that the only factor involved? Was that actually how it exploded?

A: Mainly.

Q: (Joe) What was the Mothman doing there?

A: Awareness suppression.

Q: (L) I guess that means that...

(Andromeda) He helped cause the accident?

(Joe) He had an influence over the minds of the people...

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) My idea was that what Dyatlov, the engineer in charge of the power plant at the time of the accident, what he did was not reasonable at all. I was wondering if he was under the influence of negative forces?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) So yeah. The official story on this Chernobyl show only shows tangible things. It doesn't show what was happening in his brain.

(Niall) What was the source of the seismic reading that was apparently reported 10 seconds before the explosion?

A: Transdimensional window opening.

Q: (L) And why did this transdimensional window open?

A: To influence and collect negative energies. Your reality is riven with such phenomena.

Q: (Pierre) I suppose this is 4D STS we're talking about. Was part of the plan also preparing the destabilization of Russia?

A: Yes and foreknowledge of more recent events.

Q: (Pierre) So they saw that Russia will take a stance against the imperialists, and they wanted to...

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Wow.

(L) Well, many years ago, remember the C's made that prediction about Ukraine. Back in 2014 when all that stuff starting happening, I knew that was the marker. That was the marker of the beginning. It was THEN that all the masks started coming off. There were people from the USA out there in the streets in Ukraine in plain view giving cookies to revolutionaries who were overthrowing the legitimate government. The whole planet has just gone completely downhill from there! We were in a new reality. That was it. That was the beginning.

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) So they targeted Chernobyl to demoralize and demonize Russia in 1986?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) And to weaken it.

(Joe) To weaken it, and usher in everything that happened in the 1990s with Russia. It was in total disarray. It could have happened very differently.

(Pierre) It was looting!

(L) Can we wrap it up now?

(Artemis) I have a question. Are there any immortal beings living on Earth?

A: Not as such.

Q: (Joe) IOW, there aren't like human beings that live forever. But there are maybe beings that are immortal in the sense that they're not from this reality.

(Artemis) Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (Artemis) And they live on Earth?

A: Yes

Q: (Artemis) How many of these beings are there?

A: 300 or so.

Q: (Artemis) What are they doing here?

A: Monitoring.

Q: (Ark) I want to ask one question. Anything to be aware of while we are in Paris for the upcoming conference?

A: No more than usual!!

Q: (L) Usual high-level awareness?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Alright, let's say goodnight.

A: Much turmoil ahead. Hold on to your hats and stay calm! It will pass! Goodbye.

(Scottie) I always love it when they end with stuff like that!

(Joe) What if I want to get a bit hysterical?? [laughter]

(Andromeda) That's what they're promising!

END OF SESSION
 
I've got the old fear of conflict thing like Pierre did, but it's not so bad these days. Especially if there's ever the threat of escalating violence. It goes way back to childhood; in school I was one of the smallest kids in my year, and I saw a fair few scraps in the schoolyard. This would have been late 70's-early 80's UK school. A VERY different environment to the schools we have here today. Even though it was a religious school, the language in the schoolyard was often filthy, and it was generally a case of "eat or be eaten", you learned pretty quickly that you needed to be quick-witted and assertive to avoid being targeted by the tougher kids.

I was only involved in 3 fights myself, and there was no real harm done. I'm wondering if perhaps maybe a scrap every now and again isn't so bad? A little catharsis? To get the negative emotions out of the system through physical confrontation. I think it's got to be healthier than just letting it all fester in the subconscious, goodness knows what kind of stuff lingers deep within introverts, for example?

Good session, very thought-provoking. Thank you as always for sharing!
 
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Wow!!! 😍This session is a wonderful surprise, and despite the delay, perhaps it was meant to be released during the upheavals we are currently experiencing.

It feels strange to read Pierre’s questions as if he were still alive with all of us right now. I can’t help but wonder whether this isn’t a little glimpse from him, reminding us of the lessons about entropic emotions — whether negative or positive.
(L) So he has actually three very tiny new tumors. I would like to understand what the deal is here.

A: Every living being while it contains life force, strives toward the creative principle. If there are thought patterns fueled by emotion that are entropic, one of two things can occur. First, the creative force can conflict with the entropic thoughts. The body will then tend to try to encapsulate the force and protect itself. Second, if the balance between creative and entropic force is more equal, the entropy becomes the pattern of the creation, and it becomes systemic.

Q: (L) Can I take a rest? PHEW!

(Artemis) Me too!

(L) Read that back to us. [Review of answer]

(Artemis) Which means he needs to fight his entropic thoughts or patterns, I guess?

(L) Well, I have to think about that. I can't even formulate a question.

(Andromeda) So if the entropic and creative forces within a person are equal, then... What was the last part?

(Joe) "If the balance between creative and entropic force is more equal, the entropy becomes the pattern of the creation, and it becomes systemic."

(L) So, if a person tends more toward creation life, and the entropic thoughts or energies are not dominant, the body tries to encapsulate it and protect itself. But if there is...

(Artemis) If it's evenly matched, then that can cause bad physiological effects.

(Pierre) I think they are saying in a nice way that when there is too much entropy, the pattern of the creation becomes entropic and systemic. I think they are alluding to the creation of tumors. Systemic, recurring creation of tumors...

(Joe) I think the first one applies to you more. Systemic would mean...

(L) A systemic body type thing.

(Chu) Metastasis everywhere.

(Pierre) So these tumors in this sense are symptoms of the body encapsulating those entropic thoughts. It's a conflict, and the way the creative force copes with those entropic thoughts and emotional things is by isolating them.

(L) Isolating, right.


(Pierre) So they don't contaminate or spread. Is our understanding right?

(Artemis) Let them finish what they were saying first.

A: In Pierre's case, good encapsulation is in action. What is necessary is to deflate the entropic thought programming.

Q: (Artemis) And what was the question you had?

(Pierre) Well, they answered the question. So it's an encapsulation process. That means I'm not overloaded with negative entropic thoughts. But now I have to break those entropic thought patterns and programming.

A: You must become immune to the triggers!

Q: (L) So, I guess you need to expose yourself to certain thoughts again and again, using the “Doctrine of the Present” or something like that, until you master them, control them, and can put them at a distance.

A: Yes

I asked ChatGPT to help me gain a clearer understanding of entropic thoughts. Here is its summary:
son résumé:
Having entropic thoughts is not an official clinical term, but it is an image inspired by the concept of entropy (in physics), which means disorder, dispersion, or loss of organization.

Applied to thoughts, it can mean:
  • disorganized thinking that goes in all directions
  • a feeling of mental fog
  • ideas that contradict each other or feel fragmented
  • difficulty structuring one’s reasoning
  • sometimes a tendency to imagine that “everything is deteriorating” or “everything is falling into chaos”
It is as if the mind loses its guiding thread and cognitive energy becomes scattered.

I also took the opportunity to ask it about the differences between these three similar concepts: entropic thinking, rumination, and anxious thinking. Here is its response:

Here is a clear and concise distinction:

1️⃣ Entropic Thinking​


Core idea: mental disorganization
  • Scattered, fragmented thoughts that are difficult to structure
  • A sense of inner chaos or loss of coherence
  • Difficulty maintaining a logical thread
  • May be linked to fatigue, intense stress, or cognitive overload
👉 It is not necessarily negative or emotional; it primarily reflects a loss of mental organization.




2️⃣ Rumination​


Core idea: repetition
  • Replaying the same thoughts over and over
  • Often focused on the past (“I should have…”)
  • Excessive analysis without a concrete solution
  • Frequently associated with guilt or sadness

👉 Here, thinking is organized but repetitive.
The problem is not chaos, but circular stagnation.




3️⃣ Anxious Thinking​


Core idea: negative anticipation
  • Projections into the future (“What if…?”)
  • Catastrophic scenarios
  • Hypervigilance
  • Strong emotional charge (fear, tension)

👉 Thinking is often structured, but oriented toward anticipated threat.

This is very interesting, and I wanted to represent it from a different angle — namely, through a social observation. Not having enough vocabulary to make a proper summary, I asked ChatGPT again to create this analogy. Here is my question:

When I read the differences between these three concepts, can we make a comparison in terms of behavior from the perspective of society when it experiences tragic situations and/or events that challenge its values? Can we observe these effects at a macro level, that is, within a large group?
Yes… this is really interesting. We can indeed transpose these dynamics to a macro level, in a society or large group facing a shock (tragedy, health crisis, political scandal, war, disaster, etc.).

The cognitive mechanisms at the individual level often have their collective equivalents.

Here’s a parallel interpretation:



1️⃣ Entropic Thinking — Societal Version​


When the collective narrative becomes disorganized

At the level of a society, this may look like:
  • Multiplication of contradictory discourses
  • Loss of normative benchmarks (“We no longer know what is true”)
  • Fragmentation of social groups
  • Extreme polarization
  • Massive spread of misinformation
👉 It is a form of symbolic and narrative disorganization.
The collective “guiding thread” is broken.

Sociologists sometimes refer to this as a crisis of meaning, anomie (Durkheim), or the collapse of social consensus.



2️⃣ Collective Rumination​


When society is stuck on the past

Examples:
  • Repeated commemorations without real change
  • Obsessive revisiting of a national trauma
  • Endless search for scapegoats
  • Public debates going in circles
👉 Society is not disorganized, but it remains trapped in a narrative cycle.
This can reinforce identity… or prevent progress.

This is often seen after major historical crises.



3️⃣ Collective Anxious Thinking​


When the future seems threatening

Manifestations:
  • Dominance of catastrophic discourse
  • Proliferation of “worst-case” scenarios
  • Heightened vigilance
  • Withdrawal behaviors (economic, identity-based)
👉 Thinking is often structured but oriented toward perceived threat.

This can lead to quick decisions — sometimes protective, sometimes excessive.



🔎 Fascinating observation​

In major crises, we often see a sequence:
  1. Collective entropy (confusion, loss of benchmarks)
  2. Collective anxiety (search for security)
  3. Collective rumination (construction of a stable narrative)
It is almost a mechanism of social self-regulation.



And yes, these phenomena are studied in:
  • Social psychology
  • Sociology of crises
  • Systems theory
  • Political science

So your intuition is correct: individual mental dynamics can be reflected in collective behavior.

Indeed, this is a topic we can explore further in analysis, and it could eventually be very interesting.

So, for me, this session is not trivial in being published at this moment, because in the three concepts I discussed, it reflects what we are currently experiencing socially. I believe that the reminder about the work we should do on ourselves is a beautiful gift, and it is no coincidence that the name “L’Être Cassiopéen” is Gnosissiaea.

I also want to thank Pierre for the message he offered in this session, which reminds me that I too should start reading Gurdjieff and Gnosis. This is time I will need to manage better and scatter less.:lkj:

Thank you, and I sincerely wish Pierre “Peace to his soul.” Alleluia!!! 💖




Wow!!! 😍Cette session est une belle surprise et malgré l'oubli peut-être qu'elle était dû pour être publié durant ces bouleversements que nous vivons.

Ça fait spécial de lire des questions de Pierre comme s'il était en vie en ce moment avec nous tous. Je me demande si ceci n'est pas un p'tit coup d’œil de sa part pour nous rappeler les leçons concernant les émotions entropiques qu'ils soit négatives ou positives.
(L) So he has actually three very tiny new tumors. I would like to understand what the deal is here.

A: Every living being while it contains life force, strives toward the creative principle. If there are thought patterns fueled by emotion that are entropic, one of two things can occur. First, the creative force can conflict with the entropic thoughts. The body will then tend to try to encapsulate the force and protect itself. Second, if the balance between creative and entropic force is more equal, the entropy becomes the pattern of the creation, and it becomes systemic.

Q: (L) Can I take a rest? PHEW!

(Artemis) Me too!

(L) Read that back to us. [Review of answer]

(Artemis) Which means he needs to fight his entropic thoughts or patterns, I guess?

(L) Well, I have to think about that. I can't even formulate a question.

(Andromeda) So if the entropic and creative forces within a person are equal, then... What was the last part?

(Joe) "If the balance between creative and entropic force is more equal, the entropy becomes the pattern of the creation, and it becomes systemic."

(L) So, if a person tends more toward creation life, and the entropic thoughts or energies are not dominant, the body tries to encapsulate it and protect itself. But if there is...

(Artemis) If it's evenly matched, then that can cause bad physiological effects.

(Pierre) I think they are saying in a nice way that when there is too much entropy, the pattern of the creation becomes entropic and systemic. I think they are alluding to the creation of tumors. Systemic, recurring creation of tumors...

(Joe) I think the first one applies to you more. Systemic would mean...

(L) A systemic body type thing.

(Chu) Metastasis everywhere.

(Pierre) So these tumors in this sense are symptoms of the body encapsulating those entropic thoughts. It's a conflict, and the way the creative force copes with those entropic thoughts and emotional things is by isolating them.

(L) Isolating, right.


(Pierre) So they don't contaminate or spread. Is our understanding right?

(Artemis) Let them finish what they were saying first.

A: In Pierre's case, good encapsulation is in action. What is necessary is to deflate the entropic thought programming.

Q: (Artemis) And what was the question you had?

(Pierre) Well, they answered the question. So it's an encapsulation process. That means I'm not overloaded with negative entropic thoughts. But now I have to break those entropic thought patterns and programming.

A: You must become immune to the triggers!

Q: (L) So, I guess you need to expose yourself to certain thoughts again and again, using the “Doctrine of the Present” or something like that, until you master them, control them, and can put them at a distance.

A: Yes

J'ai demandé à ChatGPT de m'aider à voir plus clair concernant des pensées entropiques. Voici son résumé:
Avoir des pensées entropiques, ce n’est pas un terme clinique officiel, mais c’est une image inspirée du concept d’entropie (en physique), qui signifie désordre, dispersion, perte d’organisation.

Appliqué aux pensées, cela peut vouloir dire :
  • des pensées désorganisées, qui partent dans toutes les directions
  • une impression de brouillard mental
  • des idées qui se contredisent ou qui se fragmentent
  • une difficulté à structurer sa réflexion
  • parfois une tendance à imaginer que « tout se détériore » ou que « tout part en chaos »
C’est un peu comme si le mental perdait son fil conducteur et que l’énergie cognitive se dispersait.

J'en ai profité pour lui demander la différence entre ses 3 concepts qui se ressemble: pensée entropique, rumination et pensée anxieuse. Voici sa réponse:
Voici une distinction claire et synthétique :


1️⃣ Pensée entropique​


Idée centrale : désorganisation mentale
  • Pensées dispersées, fragmentées, difficiles à structurer
  • Impression de chaos intérieur ou de perte de cohérence
  • Difficulté à maintenir un fil logique
  • Peut être liée à la fatigue, au stress intense ou à une surcharge cognitive
👉 Ce n’est pas forcément négatif ou émotionnel : c’est surtout une perte d’organisation mentale.



2️⃣ Rumination​


Idée centrale : répétition
  • Repasser en boucle les mêmes pensées
  • Souvent centrée sur le passé (« J’aurais dû… »)
  • Analyse excessive sans solution concrète
  • Associée fréquemment à la culpabilité ou à la tristesse
👉 Ici, la pensée est organisée mais répétitive.
Le problème n’est pas le chaos, mais le blocage circulaire.



3️⃣ Pensée anxieuse​


Idée centrale : anticipation négative
  • Projections vers le futur (« Et si… ? »)
  • Scénarios catastrophes
  • Hypervigilance
  • Forte charge émotionnelle (peur, tension)
👉 La pensée est souvent structurée, mais orientée vers la menace anticipée.
Ceci est très intéressant et j'ai eu envie de le représenter mais sous un autre angle, soit dans une observation social. N'ayant pas beaucoup de vocabulaire pour en faire un résumé, alors, j'ai encore demande à ChatGPT de faire cette analogie. Voici ma question:

Quand je lis les différences entre ses 3 concepts peut-on en faire un comparatif du comportement mais du point de vue de la société lorsqu'elle vit des situations tragiques et/ou qui bouleverse ses valeurs. Est-ce que nous pouvons retrouver ses effets mais dans un modèle macro soit dans un grand groupe?
Ah… là on entre dans quelque chose de vraiment intéressant. Oui, on peut tout à fait transposer ces dynamiques au niveau macro, dans une société ou un grand groupe confronté à un choc (tragédie, crise sanitaire, scandale politique, guerre, catastrophe, etc.).

Les mécanismes cognitifs individuels ont souvent leurs équivalents collectifs.

Je te propose une lecture parallèle 👇



1️⃣ Pensée entropique — version sociétale​


Quand le récit collectif se désorganise

Au niveau d’une société, cela peut ressembler à :
  • Multiplication de discours contradictoires
  • Perte de repères normatifs (« On ne sait plus ce qui est vrai »)
  • Fragmentation des groupes sociaux
  • Polarisation extrême
  • Désinformation massive
👉 C’est une forme de désorganisation symbolique et narrative.
Le “fil conducteur collectif” se brise.

On parle parfois de crise de sens, d’anomie (Durkheim), ou d’effondrement du consensus social.



2️⃣ Rumination collective​


Quand la société reste bloquée sur le passé

Exemples :
  • Commémorations répétées sans transformation réelle
  • Relecture obsessionnelle d’un traumatisme national
  • Recherche interminable de coupables
  • Débats publics qui tournent en boucle
👉 La société ne se désorganise pas, mais elle reste coincée dans un cycle narratif.
Cela peut renforcer l’identité… ou empêcher l’évolution.

On le voit parfois après des crises historiques majeures.



3️⃣ Pensée anxieuse collective​


Quand le futur devient menaçant

Manifestations possibles :
  • Discours catastrophistes dominants
  • Prolifération de théories du pire
  • Hausse des comportements de repli (économique, identitaire)
  • Politique basée sur la peur
👉 La société anticipe une menace constante.
L’émotion dominante devient l’insécurité.

Cela peut mener à des décisions rapides, parfois protectrices… parfois excessives.



🔎 Ce qui est fascinant​


Dans les grandes crises, on voit souvent une séquence :
  1. Entropie collective (confusion, perte de repères)
  2. Anxiété collective (recherche de sécurité)
  3. Rumination collective (construction d’un récit stable)
C’est presque un mécanisme d’auto-régulation sociale.



Et oui, ces phénomènes sont étudiés en :
  • psychologie sociale
  • sociologie des crises
  • théorie des systèmes
  • sciences politiques

Donc ton intuition est solide : les dynamiques mentales individuelles peuvent se refléter dans les comportements collectifs.

Si tu veux aller plus loin, on pourrait explorer :
  • Est-ce que ces dynamiques sont amplifiées par les médias sociaux ?
  • Est-ce qu’une société peut “guérir” d’une pensée entropique ?
  • Ou est-ce que le chaos est parfois nécessaire pour transformer les valeurs ?

On peut vraiment creuser ça.

Effectivement, c'est un sujet dont nous pouvons encore aller plus loin dans l'analyse et qui serait éventuellement fort intéressant.

Donc, pour moi, cette session n'est pas anodine qu'elle soit publié présentement, puisque dans les 3 concepts que j'ai abordé, c'est ce que nous vivons présentement socialement et je pense que se rappelle concernant le travail que nous devrions faire sur Soi, est un beau cadeau et ce n'est pas pour rien que le nom de "L'Être Cassiopéen" est Gnosissiaea.

Et je remercie le message que Pierre nous a offert dans cette session et qui me rappelle que je devrais moi aussi commencer à lire Gurdjieff et la Gnose. C'est mon temps que je vais devoir mieux gérer et moins me disperser.:lkj:

Merci et je souhaite de tout cœur à Pierre "Paix en son âme" Alleluia!!!💖
 
Thank you for the session!

I feel very lucky to have married a petty tyrant who taught me about healthy, constructive confrontation and using righteous anger to erect boundaries. :-) Our most recent fight changed our relationship and interactions dramatically. I literally told him, "My emotional energy is NOT FREE!" He has tried to set a pity trap a couple times since then, but I was able to mentally block it each time. Since those interactions he hasn't tried that ploy again. Always on alert for the next strategy, though.
 
Thanks for the session.

This time it really came in handy. These days I have been reviewing some internal matters, and this coincides with my line of internal research regarding myself:
A: You must become immune to the triggers!​
(L) That's what they mean about getting immune to the triggers. Remember what Castaneda said: You have to face petty tyrants before you can face the unknown. Facing petty tyrants should be done with joy. *You should be enjoying yourself blue, you know!

There are several things inside me that cause me emotional pain. And by searching and using the C´s sessions, compiling using AI to look for patterns, describing my emotional state, I came to similar conclusions. Although that may include karmic events or attacks, as revealed by the line of queries I made.

The point is that I see that this session reinforces my analysis. So I must be aware of those triggers and deal with them correctly, as well as making very precise changes to some programmed beliefs, which in recent years have done nothing but frustrate me. But I also see that much of my anger apparently stems from the fact that I reject negative narratives that I know are harmful. To cite one example, it infuriates me to read or hear about stories, whether real or fictional, where relationships are damaged or hurt, destroying the union.

It would take too long to explain here...
*Obviously, they weren't referring to me at that moment, but since we are a group and my nickname starts with Blue, I take it as a reference to me as well.
 
I feel very lucky to have married a petty tyrant who taught me about healthy, constructive confrontation and using righteous anger to erect boundaries. :-) Our most recent fight changed our relationship and interactions dramatically. I literally told him, "My emotional energy is NOT FREE!" He has tried to set a pity trap a couple times since then, but I was able to mentally block it each time. Since those interactions he hasn't tried that ploy again. Always on alert for the next strategy, though.
Hi @hoosiermystic,

Even though your marriage may offer you a few valuable life lessons it doesn't sound easy! Feel free to discuss your situation more in depth in the Swamp, which offers more privacy. I wish you all the best.
 
Thank you for the session; I can reflect on the abusive father. When a kid, the dad seems huge like a mountain - so when turning angry, it's like a volcano. And my dad's burst of angers are still stucked like a shadow following me. Difficult!
 
Thank you for sharing the session! :flowers:
It is very timely, I really needed to read this.

(L) That's when you need to start TALKING about it. Talk about it with us. And believe me, the fear of the bull is a lot bigger than taking him by the horns. When you determine to take him by the horns, he comes and puts his head down and he lets you take him.
I´ve had a negative loop going on from Sunday to Monday; I don´t know if that was hormones, or beaming or whatever, but I was stuck until it spiralled out of control and at one point, I managed to caught the thought that simply wasn´t me so to say. After that, the negative thought loop stopped.

It is a constant fight and requires super-awareness to catch oneself when thoughts start ruminating.
I´ve realised that the best thing one can do for him/herself in such cases is to network about it, just as Laura said!
It kind of releases the energy; or the thoughts are "exposed" and then the echo chamber is broken.

Thank you guys so much! ❤️
 
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