worldbridger
Jedi Master
I found one company, so I ordered one pouch to see if it was ok. Since being bedridden my wife picks up all orders in my name, This time she couldn't, I have to pick it up myself.
We asked the company why, they said that FHM in Sweden (CDC in the US) have recently(?) committed to a "zero vision" for smoking tobacco, this "zero vision" concept started in the 90s I think for different things in our society, like no of deaths in traffic.
I makes them feel virtuous, united against evil etc. and a of course, an excuse to just do whatever they like.
We asked the company why, they said that FHM in Sweden (CDC in the US) have recently(?) committed to a "zero vision" for smoking tobacco, this "zero vision" concept started in the 90s I think for different things in our society, like no of deaths in traffic.
I makes them feel virtuous, united against evil etc. and a of course, an excuse to just do whatever they like.
palestine
The Living Force
I see - a sort of fatwa on tobacco, making it barely existing out there.
Any chance for you to go to a neighbooring country (and get cheaper tobacco)? (I assume you are not since you would have told about it, but asking)
I was thinking - hey let me send you a box. Is this even possible? How much would the shipping fee cost? How does it work at the border, because it's tobacco? Box here is 24$.
worldbridger
Jedi Master
Yes, exactly. Being bedridden, so no. Don't have any friends/contacts abroad, or people travelling.
Thanks palestine, very kind of you, but I "can't" smoke the common brands, get soar throat, coughs etc, so only if I don't have any other choice. And shipping will cost 20-30 USD, and if you send it from Switzerland?, VAT, taxes, not really realistic.
My brands are American Spirit, Manitou, RAW, and a few more, but I only found one company in Sweden with one brand/product (Sauvage (france) natural/additive-free- 30g pouch), will try that first and see if it works.
In general tobacco products are disappearing in Sweden, especially RYO products.
Appreciate your concern….
palestine
The Living Force
Hello, np, I am glad if you can find some! The Sauvage is pretty good (well, I like it much).
palestine
The Living Force
@worldbridger just in case - what about pipe smoking? It does not replace tobacco, but if you need to smoke... All my pipe tobacco comes from Danemark - there may be easier access for you. I am pretty sure that you thought of it, and there may be very tiny room that it wouldn't be the case - so asking!
If you are bedridden and that it costs you than to answer, don't care about that, I just wanted to tell you about the pipe smoking. I hope you will get better! Salutations.
If you are bedridden and that it costs you than to answer, don't care about that, I just wanted to tell you about the pipe smoking. I hope you will get better! Salutations.
You could consider buying bulk tobacco leaves from Leaf Only. They ship all over the world. The last time I bought from them, the price was 90% off what I would pay for organic tobacco pouches. They can get away with this because leaves are generally considered an agricultural product, and not a value-added tobacco product.
I only stopped because my province in Canada introduced a new tax that eradicated the savings. I also started vaping - much cheaper, and now I don't have to deal with dental buildup. Vaping would be another option, perhaps?
Buying whole leaves means that you would also need to buy a shredder, but those are cheap enough and are also sold on the website. I have the little hand-crank version. It is somewhat time-consuming to shred enough for a pouch, but I found it to be worth it - I'd just put on a documentary or movie and shred away.
I don't know what shipping would cost to your country, but it is another option worth looking at. If you decide to go this route, I recommend the CDN Virginia if you enjoy a 'blonde roast' or a lighter smoke, American Virginia for medium strength, and Burley for a much stronger knock-your-socks-off experience.
If you open the box and find the product cured improperly (and unsmokable) you have 7 days to notify the company, and they will ship you a new box.
worldbridger
Jedi Master
Yes, I looked in to it some years ago, but government closed that loophole too, same tax, VAT etc as ordinary tobacco….and I tried vape, didn't work for some reason.
I do have a shredder and plan to grow my own, but don't have the space for it, you get approx. 100 grams dried tobacco per plant, if they have medium level of nicotine, maybe 3-4 (5) months from seed to fermented/cured tobacco.
palestine
The Living Force
I recently purchased a pack of Marlboro red
And I have to say it was a good smoke! I am not rich so I roll my own cigs, so industrial cigarettes are a far forgotten dream! Does anybody smoke those? They were strong enough (but perhaps too thin for me - I use to roll cigarettes with two big papers).
And I have to say it was a good smoke! I am not rich so I roll my own cigs, so industrial cigarettes are a far forgotten dream! Does anybody smoke those? They were strong enough (but perhaps too thin for me - I use to roll cigarettes with two big papers).
So, just Hong Kong and not China proper. The HK public seemed to be pushing this (or the public was being pushed) even in 2017, if not before. The HK regulatory framework started to be drawn up back then.
7-years, that is one harshly insane penalty.
Here is a PubMed HK related paper on it discussing the e-smoking study:
Note: the study does not breathe a word about jail time.
Reminds me of the U.S. 'vap' scare of 2019 that resulted in fast regulatory enactment related to sectors, such as health/safety compensation. Arguments then could be made for lab leaks out of Fort Detrick proceeding the scare, and a cover story of blame being built.
Larry Romanoff makes note:
Did COVID-19 escape Fort Detrick vaccine trial? Evidence that virus originated in US bioweapons lab
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Bernardo GA
Jedi Master
A few days ago, I went to buy my rolling tobacco, as usual. It’s the cheapest tobacco without chemical additives that I can find in my city.
The shop owner is the importer himself. He told me that what he could assure me about this particular tobacco—he imports it from Argentina and changes its name to sell it here in Uruguay for marketing reasons—was that this tobacco is pure, containing no chemical additives, not even anything to enhance combustion, etc. And he told me that this was after the harvest and that he couldn’t tell me how they were handled during planting, how they cared for the plants’ growth, or whether they sprayed them with anything or not.
In any case, for now it remains the best tobacco option within my budget.
For various reasons, this gentleman, the owner of the tobacco shop, seems like an honest and decent person.
Actually, I found this tobacco shop a while back, when I was looking for pipes and healthier tobacco.
My plan at the time was to improve the quality of my tobacco and get rid of the paper-thin leaves. That’s why I thought of getting a pipe.
That’s how I found this place, where they sell all kinds of pipes, cigars, pipe tobacco, and everything related.
I only buy my inexpensive tobacco and some excellent Spanish leaves, but you can find everything there.
There’s a wide variety of pipes, ranging from the most affordable to the most prestigious and super expensive—each one more beautiful than the last. The same goes for the selection of tobacco for connoisseurs. As if that weren’t enough, I think the shop’s specialty is Cuban cigars, if I’m not mistaken.
The truth is, I love walking into that shop, because in addition to seeing the display cases full of beautiful pipes for sale, the place is decorated with all kinds of antique pipes, super curious and strange artifacts that were used in the past for smoking—true works of art.
But I’ve strayed a bit from the topic, because what I actually wanted to talk about was vaping.
As I said at the beginning, before I digress
, a few days ago I went to this shop to buy my tobacco.The son served me, and he’s also very friendly.
So I told him about my interest in starting to vape, and asked if he had any information that could guide me. For example, where they sell the necessary vaping supplies, etc.
Then he told me:
Here in this country, all sales related to vaping are prohibited. It’s illegal. And everything you can get here is smuggled in somehow.
And I exclaimed, “Damn!!”
Then he told me I just had to keep looking until I found the right people. And to put my mind at ease, he said that even though it was somewhat illegal, I didn’t have to venture into dangerous neighborhoods. He explained that the environments where this trade takes place are, in some cases, quite sophisticated. In short, it was just a matter of keeping at it until I found the right places.
That conversation was very enlightening for me. Because I had already been looking before, and all I found were those online purchases, through Amazon and the like, and unfortunately I’m in a country where the restrictions on almost everything we need are quite extreme.
Believe me, that’s how it is. We’ve already seen our national government’s fanaticism on this matter.
For example, if I want ivermectin, the only way is to buy it at the pharmacy. And that’s three 6-mg tablets at an extremely high price.
A few months ago, my wife placed an order for nicotine patches on Amazon. She paid the money and followed all the necessary steps. Well, the package stayed in the United States, and so did our money.
When we were informed that our country’s government did not allow that product to enter the country, we also found out that the deadline for getting our money back had expired. And this despite the fact that my wife was keeping a close eye on it, tracking the location of her package almost daily.
Another thing I wanted to mention about the tobacco shop is that the owner said that some time ago he was fined several thousand dollars—I think it was eight thousand—for displaying merchandise in the storefront window, visible from outside the shop. And because the sign with the shop’s name indicated that it sells tobacco and related products.
However, they don’t prohibit the display in storefronts or at street stalls of items for smoking marijuana, which is garbage.
Currently, the tobacco shop has frosted glass, and you can only see inside through a few slits.
And at the top of the facade, it has the shop’s name, which doesn’t refer to anything in particular, but with the clever addition of:
“fine products for ? ? ? ? ? ?”.
Like a kind of wink. (The question marks, due to their shape, allude to both pipes and smoke.)
Thank goodness for a good sense of humor, to help us cope with and resist the pathetic reality they want to impose on us.
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