Session 15 April 2000

Laura

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April 15, 2000



Ark, Laura, Frank, Terry, Jan, Guest Johann M, Guest Stephanie


Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Yojon.

Q: And where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (T) We have guests here tonight... (L) Yes, you guys have anything to say to them?

A: Yes, you have people here tonight! Would it not be better to just let the inquiries flow!?

Q: (L) Okay. I downloaded this article from the internet. It says: "For two days in May, the Solar Wind that blows constantly from the sun virtually disappeared; the most long-lasting and drastic increase ever observed. ...Dropping to a half its normal density, a fraction of its normal speed, the solar wind..."

A: A bit of an unusual event, yes, but the observation equipment has improved, yes?

Q: (T) Just because it was "observed" this time, doesn't mean it isn't something that hasn't happened before.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) It says: "Because of the decrease in energetic electrons from the sun, they were able to flow to the earth in narrow beams know as 'stroa.' Under normal conditions, electrons from the sun are diluted and mixed and redirected in interplanetary space and by earth's magnetic field. One of the things that happened was that earth's magnetosphere swelled to five to six times its normal size. This was observed from satellites. There was no "bow shock" formation in the earth's magnetosphere.

A: Permeation.

Q: (L) Is this anything like what you were talking about in terms of the expansion of the earth's magnetic field as being a more permanent state after transition to 4th density?

A: Temporary glimpse.

Q: (L) When you described it this way, you were talking about everything "opening up." You mentioned that if the earth's rotation were to slow, even a minute bit, that everything "opens up" gravitationally speaking. But, this seems to be connected to solar activity, and no so much the speed of the earth.

A: The solar and earth activities are interconnected.

Q: (L) What effects may have occurred as a result of this event on May 5, 1999?

A: Biogenetic, related to disease pathogens.

Q: (L) In what sense?

A: Transmutation.

Q: (L) Did it enable disease pathogens to mutate so that they become more difficult to deal with, or did they mutate into milder forms?

A: Some both ways.

Q: (L) Is that the main event that occurred during this solar wind lapse?

A: For now, it was so brief.

Q: (L) Can you tell us what was the cause of this disappearance of the solar wind?

A: Rotating cyclical wave of cosmic energies.

Q: (L) What was the source of this wave?

A: Deep space "winds," relating to clusters of antimatter particles. Particulate, as in a mirror reflection of matter.

Q: (L) So, that is the source of this wave. Is this going to happen more frequently in the future, or is this just a fluke?

A: You shall know.

Q: (L) Well, that's what I'm asking you!

A: And we refrain!

Q: (A) I think that the answer is in the earlier question; that this is a standard thing, but with the improvement in observational equipment, it was noticed. It is rotating cyclically, so yes, it happens again and again. We don't know how often...

A: And there are cycles within cycles.

Q: (L) This is something I have always wanted to get into a session, but I keep forgetting it. So, I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget. What is a "Merkabah?" All these New Age types are talking about it all over the place, and I just want to know if the standard interpretation is anything close to the reality. What is a Merkabah?

A: A creative creation.

Q: (L) Are you saying...

A: As were...

Q: (L) You didn't let me finish my question!

A: We heard it in you.

Q: (L) Well, just to get the question on the record, it was are all these people making all this stuff up about what the Merkabah is?

A: But then again, what is made up and why? It is not so simple!

Q: (L) In ancient literature, something called a Merkabah is talked about, but the definition of this extremely mysterious thing has been lost down through the centuries. There have been many "explanations" from such sources as the Midrash - Jewish commentaries - but there is even argument there. It seems that, even then, nobody knew what it was. But now, we have all these New Age folks coming along who have decided that they know what it is, and it is variously described as rotating double tetrahedrons...

A: If no one knows what it is, that is as good as any other explanation.

Q: (L) I want to know what the ancients who wrote about it meant? What is the definition of the word as the ancient writers used it?

A: The original definition predates this.

Q: (L) What is the original definition that predated the ancient writings that we have access to?

A: What do you think?

Q: (L) What? Well, it's a curious word because it is composed of two words or even three: mer kaba or mer ka ba. If we think of it as three part word, we have the Egyptian Ka, which is like the astral body, and the Ba which is similar to the Ka. I guess you could think of them as the astral body and the genetic body. Then there is the Ab which is the sort of principle element of the life in man - like the part that is of God or the soul. The Ab was represented as a red stone. It was the part of the man that expressed desire, lust, courage, wisdom, feeling, sense and intelligence. So, all of them together sort of expresses an abstract creative principle Kaaba is Arabic for cube, and it is the square stone building in which the Black Stone is housed in Mecca. It was supposed to have been built by Ishmael and Abraham. So with Mer, Ka, Ab, and Ba, we have a cube made up of the principle parts of the etheric self, and housing a stone. Soul stone? Mother stone?

A: By god, she's got it!

Q: (L) Okay, we've got the soul or mother stone. Or the mother of all stones. Now that we have a definition, what was it?

A: The Matriarch Stone.

Q: (L) Is the Matriarch Stone the one in Mecca?

A: Symbolism reigns supreme here.

Q: (T) Is this also the Philosopher's Stone?

A: "Stone" to those you perceive as ancients symbolized communication from "a higher source."

Q: (L) What is it about a stone that made the ancients associate it with communication?

A: Radio waves.

Q: (L) How did radio waves interact with the stone? Were they recorded by the stone; transmitted by the stone?

A: Transmission.

Q: (T) Crystals are stones. Crystals are used for radio transmissions.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it was said before that Stonehenge was a giant transmitter and receiver. The original purpose of Stonehenge was to receive communication and to send communication. It wasn't all that Druid HooDoo stuff that people talk about nowadays. It was a machine, so to speak. (Johan) Could it be that people who come in contact with a stone in one place, and then they go to another place and come in contact with another stone, transfer something from one stone to another?

A: Well, one strengthens their abilities due to awareness channel grooving.

Q: (L) What gets strengthened from contact with the stones?

A: Your abilities.

Q: (L) When they are talking about this Mother Stone, are they talking about something similar to the Atlantean crystals that gathered, dispersed and/or transduced energy?

A: It is more symbolic. But you are on the right track.

Q: (L) So, in talking about Merkabah, we are not talking about spinning tetrahedrons that enable you to ascend or generate some kind of "astral vehicle." They are saying that visualizing yourself inside of one of these enables you to ascend, or something.

A: If you do that, it may help, though.

Q: (L) It may help what?

A: We are going around in circles here. You should use your own abilities to complete the answers to some of these. But, then again, it is one form of "spinning," is it not?

Q: (T) Everything we have been doing here is all about gaining knowledge and increasing frequency in order to transit from 3rd to 4th density. In ancient times, they would have had to do the same things. But, there may not have been as many experiences available. In order to get experiences, they may have had to travel. So, by going to the stones, they might have increased their frequencies to transit from 3rd to 4th density.

(L) Or they used them as a direct machine or device to do it. Archaeologists say that the people who erected the megaliths were barbarians. They are defined as barbarians because they didn't build cities, they didn't have the wheel, they didn't have organized agriculture, and they left no written records. Those are the defined elements of civilization. Yet, this group of people, whoever they were, did things that we cannot duplicate today, and they did it all over the globe. The groups who came along after them who DID have all the hallmarks of what we call civilization, also could not erect these gargantuan stones.

I thought about this for a long time. Archaeologists say they must have erected them as monuments to their gods, or heroes or whatever. Some of them think they were calendars to tell them when to plant the corn. Well, I think that is stretching it a bit. If you can't cross off the days on the wall and look outside and see that it is time to plant the corn, you're in pretty sad shape. You hardly need to haul stones as big as buildings across hills and valleys to set them up in special places to tell you to do that!

The psychology of the human being cannot have changed all that much over the many thousands of years from then to now, and it is true that people do not do anything without a powerful motivation; what I call the "payoff." What could be the payoff to haul these things around on greased logs as they are depicted? To create a monument or to bury their kings? To get naked and dance in the moonlight?

(A) Like they had a lot of time to do this while struggling to live the barbarian existence, too!

(L) Yeah. They are supposed to be howling savages who must constantly hunt to get food, yet they are spending all their time, occupying all their strongest men, to push rocks around! Meanwhile, according to the archaeologists and paleontologists, these folks only live to about 40 years at max!

(T) They got a lot of mileage out of those 40 years!

(L) Exactly! But, we are supposed to be thinking about the things they didn't have: cities, wheels, agriculture, and writing.

(F) Maybe they didn't need it.

(L) And why would that be? Because the stones did it all! (

T) Maybe they were 4th density STO beings who planted all those stones all over the place.

(L) Well, if you think about a group of people who are setting up these massive stones like they were pieces of styrofoam. The stones collect energy and information. They then transduce the energy or amplify it. These people know things about movement, dances or spinning or something, that enables them to behave in concert with the stones so that they all become part of a grand machine that does things! All of the legends talk about stylized dances and the oldest things about Stonehenge say that it was the Temple of Apollo and that Apollo danced there all night at certain periods of time. Every 19 years, I believe. When you think about that, and the other places Apollo appeared, the inversions and redactions of the legends, and we come to these magical stones that produce things. Then we come to the head of Bran the Blessed which supposedly produced endless supplies of bread and fish or whatever else was desired. Bran's head was the giver of all good things. But more than that, it was an oracle. It could speak. And here we have the idea of a similar function for Stonehenge: both an oracle as well as a giver of blessings and bounty. Anything you wanted or needed it provided for you. If you wanted to go somewhere, it transported you as in the legends of the flying carpets. It was magic transportation. All of these things are associated, when you track them back far enough, with a stone. The stones did everything.

(Johan) And it is funny that stones come up. What I have been doing for the past 10 or 15 years is running around the globe collecting stones. I've been to some of the most ancient places on earth, and I go from one to the other. And from each one, I've collected stones. Plus, Apollo: on Crete, there was an oracle of Apollo on Tara...

(L) And there was Tara in Ireland...

(Johan) I wouldn't be surprised if Tara meant stone too! How is all this connected?

(L) Exactly. This is what I have always thought about these megaliths. They DID things. All of the things we think are the "signs" of civilization were done by the stones. Maybe Terry is right; these people were at some level of density where they could make this work. At some point, something happened, the ability was lost, and then people had to build cities, engage in agriculture, invent the wheel, and develop writing - because they could no longer do it the "easy" way.

(Johan) In talking about stones, would the mother of all stones be the navel of the earth; is that the same as Ayers rock? It's the largest stone on earth and they call it the navel of the earth.

(L) Does Ayers rock have anything to do with this?

A: No. Stones were once utilized to provide for all needs, as the energies transmitted connected directly with the pituitary gland to connect spiritual realities with the material realms of 3rd and 4th densities. So you see, the "stone" was viewed as Matriarchal indeed!

Q: (L) Were the beings involved in this type of activity 3rd density, 4th density or bi-density?

A: Originally 4th when home was in other locators.

Q: (L) Could it be said that the pituitary gland itself is the body's own "mother stone?"

A: If you prefer. We suggest a new path now.

Q: (L) Steph has a personal question that she says she will make short. Is that okay?

A: Oh, sure.

Q: (S) What can I do to help my skin clear up?

A: Emotional state is still in flux. Underlying conflict. Unresolved issues. Okay? Is that it? We suspect not!

Q: (S) What is the conflict?

A: You know this.

Q: (Johan) What was it that I found on the beach on Magnetic Island in 1985?

A: Looking for meaning? Start at the centre.

Q: (Johan) Center of Australia? Center of what?

A: You have been to the "centre."

Q: (Johan) I am not too sure that this means a physical place. For me, what I found was the center of knowledge. It started at Magnetic Island, and took 12 years for me to realize what it meant. For me it was the grail, or the representation of the grail.

A: You have the stem, now wait for the flower to "bloom."

Q: (Johan) And now I am going to be back in the same place! Is the flower going to bloom where I found the stem?

A: The locator is not so important as the located.

Q: (L) Where you find it is not so important as what you found. (Johan) Yes, that's true. I don't know what your story is with the Holy Grail, but for me, it took me twelve years to understand what I found which was my interpretation of what the Grail was - it represented it. That's interesting with the bloom...

A: We thrive on clues and so do you!

Q: (L) I want to help Stephanie with her problem.

A: Why bother, she is cloaking. She does not yet feel comfortable in sharing some things.

Q: (S) I wish they would give me the clues to which issue it is!

A: You know this, dear!

Q: (L) I want to go in a slightly different direction. Earlier we were discussing the translating of the material on the website into other languages. In terms of doing such a thing and getting the information out, could you suggest a way to do this without getting organizational. We all know that when you start forming organizations, you lose your focus. Yet, we know that everyone who participates in such a work needs to have their needs considered. Can you point us in the right direction?

A: There are translation programs available. The latest ones require much less editing.

Q: (L) So, the real problem is just simple distribution?

A: Close.

Q: (J) Don't people have the ability to translate websites on the spot? (T) Not all search engines do that. (J) You might want to expand your keywords into other languages. That will help people to find the material.

A: Okay, you have your answers.

Q: (Johan) The question I had was what would be the best way to bring the information to as many people as possible without going into an organization? That's probably not a precise enough question.

A: You are correct; not precise enough.

Q: (Johan) Sharing information is something I have been involved with for many years...

A: But this process is expanding naturally anyway due to the exponential growth in your technology. And this, by the way, is an integral component in the eventual transition to 4th density. Not because of the technology, but the explosion of the knowledge base it is/will facilitate.

Q: (J) What exactly is the function of the pituitary gland in your references to Stonehenge?

A: This gland is your uplink.

Q: (L) Is it possible that the pituitary can be stimulated by external sources such as radio waves, waves from a supernova, or other frequencies in the environment?

A: Yes and experiments have ensued.

Q: (L) Would it be beneficial for us to experiment with such things?

A: Not wise. You could fry yourself in your zeal.

Q: (J) Are you guys actually channelling through your pituitary via radio waves?

A: This channeling process is comprehensive. Spiritual/psychic/physical.

Q: (L) I guess we aren't supposed to do any experimentation with it though.

A: You can experiment, but not technologically.

Q: (L) Johan has some black mirrors. Would it be advantageous to trade my standard mirror for a black mirror?

A: Not necessary. Just need to utilize light correctly.

Q: (L) Now, let me demonstrate. When I use the psychomantium, I arrange things this way... [demonstrates]. I have tried it with this little lamp, and with candles on the floor under the angle of the mirror. I can't see the light, but the illumination is there. Now, which of these two light sources is best?

A: Candles. But place properly.

Q: (L) Okay, if I am here, and the mirror is there, where should I place them and how many?

A: 5 and behind and above.

Q: (L) So, I need them behind me?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How high above me?

A: Just above.

Q: (L) So, I have to have a stand or a tall candleabra. What angle should the mirror be tilted?

A: 12 degrees.

Q: (L) Five candles are a lot of candles. And I'm supposed to look up and to the left.

A: The flicker is a key here.

Q: (L) Do you have any remarks about this solar maximum associated with the eruption of the Japanese volcano and the mass suicide of that cult over in Africa?

A: No.

Q: (L) I didn't think so. Just the cycle of things. A lot of people are writing to me about dreams lately. They seem to be having a lot of dreams about beings in the sky, entering our reality. All kinds of strange things.

A: Beings come and go at will always, it is the awareness that is expanding.

Q: (L) Another trend of the dreams is being pursued, attacked, split up from their families, being put in concentration camps - just all kinds of things.

A: All are possible futures, just wait and see. There is an alien race that has plans to replace your physical vehicles with a new "model."

Q: (L) What are they going to do with the old models?

A: "Retire them."

Q: (T) Which race is this?

A: Orion STS.

Q: (L) Is this essentially what happened with Neanderthal?

A: Yup!

Q: (L) Well, for a period of time it seems that they continued to exist on the planet alongside the new model, cro-magnon or whatever.

A: Some did.

Q: (L) For how long did Neanderthal exist side by side with the "new model?"

A: 233 years.

Q: (L) I thought that Neanderthal was here for a long, long, long time; and if modern man arrived on the planet, as you say, 70 to 80 thousand years ago, wasn't Neanderthal already here then?

A: Time references have been miscalculated.

Q: (L) Who miscalculated the time references?

A: Science.

Q: (L) What is the oldest Neanderthal that's been found? Anybody know? No, well then when did Neanderthal appear on the planet?

A: 5.3 million years ago.

Q: (L) You are saying that when science says that modern man appeared 35 to 40 thousand years ago, and Neanderthal disappeared at the same time, the real time frame was 70 to 80 thousand years ago? In other words, a factor of 2 error.

A: Close.

Q: (L) And, of course, we can't depend on any of the dating methods because of metamorphosis.

A: And genetic manipulation.

Q: (L) So, in effect, we ARE the new Neanderthals on the eve of extinction. You have said that those who transition into 4th density in the body will go through some kind of rejuvenation process or body regeneration or something. Does that mean that these present "Neanderthal" type bodies that we presently occupy will morph into something more in line with the new model? Is it genetically encoded into some of them to do so?

A: Something like that.

Q: (L) So, that's why they have been following certain bloodlines for generation after generation; they are tinkering with the DNA and arming genetic time-bombs that are waiting to go off. (A) What is interesting is how do those who are trying to get these people, to abduct them, how do they spot them? How do they get the information? By following the bloodline, or by some kind of monitor you can detect from a long distance - and they can note that "here is somebody of interest" or "here is somebody dangerous" or "let's abduct this one" or whatever. How do they select? Do they search the genealogies or is it some kind of remote sensing?

A: Now this is interesting Arkadiusz, as it involves the atomic "signature" of the cellular structure of the individual. In concert with this is the etheric body reading and the frequency resonance vibration. All these are interconnected, and can be read from a distance using remote viewing technology/methodology.

Q: (L) Can it be done in a pure mechanical way without using psychic means?

A: At another level of understanding, the two are blended into one.

Q: (T) Computerized psychic remote viewing, maybe. Like artificial intelligence. Maybe a mind connected to a computer?

A: That is close, yes.

Q: (T) Which we are not capable of yet - that we know of, anyway. (J) I'll bet the Russians are. (L) Why?

A: Work? Yes. Succeed? Not much.

Q: (L) Off to the side, in examining the map along this line where you had us looking, from Novosibirtsk to Urkutsk, I discovered that there is a range of mountains there called "Sayan" or "Sayany." Is this the original Mount Zion and is this the area where there is a secret lab or something?

A: Yes, but not Mount Zion.

Q: (L) What was the original Mount Zion?

A: Sinai.

Q: (L) What is in these mountains between Novosibirtsk and Urkutsk?

A: Magnetics lab.

Q: (L) What stone was Nicholas Roerich returning to a temple when he made his trek into Siberia?

A: Stone was diamond from Persia.

Q: (L) What kind of UFO was it that he sighted at the time that he made the dedication of this temple; considering also that this was on the direct line of Tunguska?

A: UFO was a probe.

Q: (L) Was it there because they were there, or was it unrelated?

A: Related.

Q: (L) What was the significance of this diamond?

A: Energized.

Q: (L) By what?

A: Not by: for.

Q: (L) Energized for what?

A: Link.

Q: (L) Link to what?

A: Your move.

Q: (T) For the wave?

A: No, Terry, we are reminding Laura that this is not 20 questions.

Q: (T) Is this magnetics lab related to the one in Tallahassee? (L) I don't think so. I mean, it's so secret that even we can know about it yet! (T) There's one in Tallahassee - a high energy magnetics lab...

A: Different orientation.

Q: (L) It's my feeling or conjecture that this one we have been led to investigate, and I do mean led, is that it's a center of activity where the matrix is generated and maintained. I think it is also connected to ancient things simply by virtue of the timeless nature of time. (S) Do they generate "time" there? (L) Possibly.

A: Not "just Russians."

Q: (L) It's not just Russians. I think it is the center of the Consortium web - their home base. It is out in the middle of nowhere that there is nowhere near!

A: Good night.



End of Session
 
I Had to take good time to read this session is very interesting!!! Thanks Laura for share this session :)
 
A: But this process is expanding naturally anyway due to the exponential growth in your technology. And this, by the way, is an integral component in the eventual transition to 4th density. Not because of the technology, but the explosion of the knowledge base it is/will facilitate.

i always felt this would be an important factor.
it is staggering how much information is available to the average person today compared to 50 or 100 years ago.
 
A: No. Stones were once utilized to provide for all needs, as the energies transmitted connected directly with the pituitary gland to connect spiritual realities with the material realms of 3rd and 4th densities. So you see, the "stone" was viewed as Matriarchal indeed!

Interesting. It seems to me that people have a natural affinity for stones. I've collected a few from places that I wanted to remember. Over time this affinity for stones has atrophied and its remnant is now the materialistic desire to wear expensive stones as jewellery; or to make a fortune from diamonds, for example.
 
Again, so much information. Thanks, Laura!

A: This gland is your uplink.

Q: (L) Is it possible that the pituitary can be stimulated by external sources such as radio waves, waves from a supernova, or other frequencies in the environment?

A: Yes and experiments have ensued.

Q: (L) Would it be beneficial for us to experiment with such things?

A: Not wise. You could fry yourself in your zeal.

It seem that proceeding in a natural way is the path, the window present itself when one is ready.

Laura, you give a lot of clue as to how to use the psychomantium, do you think that it may be the time for some to start experimenting on there own?
 
I have just returned from a trip to Oregon. The past 4 weeks and especially the past two weeks have been enormously negative and positive at the same time on all fronts for me. This session puts it all into perspective. Thanks for the confirmation and support.
 
Thanks again for all the transcripts that you are providing. As i am starting to get back in touch with myself and walking the path compared to where i was at in my younger years the whole spinning and mother stone kinda made me think back. During meditations and trying to work with chakras as we understand them i would use colors associated with them and focus on that area they are noted to reside in referrence to ones physical body. I would work on making them "spin" to activate and gather energy , then work my way up the system as i have the centers interconnected with the flow of energy. ( although i have to double check since its been a while, i remember mention of specific rotation, clockwise or counter-clockwise playing a role of some sort) Then i remember coming across and utilizing the Egg meditations in reference to chakra work. Meditating while visualizing and egg around ones self the color of the chakra being worked on, almost like an aura of sorts, and tuning to the vibration/energy of that color and the chakra it represents while working on it. Just almost made a slight ding in myself while connecting that with the whole stone aspect discussed here. That and while "spinning" the chakras and working on getting them alligned with each other into a balanced state of sorts, i remember sometimes it feeling like my whole energy system would start to spin in unison kinda like the starting of a whirpool, and sometimes it felt like it wanted to take my physical body with it in a warp-like affect when i felt the energy sensation seem like it was connecting to the physical in some way. would kinda have to snap out of it cause i felt like i was gonna tumble over hehe. Anyways, not to blab too long here. Just wanted to get it down and out as in came to mind. Still working with going over all the material here and the logistics of the site itself. I apologize if i should have placed this comment in another section. please feel free to edit it or bring to my attention a better conduct for responses as needed as i learn here.

Thanks, Bobby
 
This is one of my Fav sessions , even just reading it the energy just flows like a river almost hypnotic just reading it !

Without understanding "stones" we wouldn't have "modern " technology (computers)today.

The exchange between all present is Great the C's were so forthcoming with small and precise answers ( not even like answers just like in a great conservation !)...

An Laura's research abilitys shines through here...

Im gonna read it again lol.
 
neanderthal manand us side by side for 233 years..that would be something to see...great article thanks for sharing
 
I heard a podcast that reminded so much of something the Cs conveyed in this session (and an earlier one), about 4D STS plans to "replace" us, that I thought it was worth noting here. I started to wonder if the speaker, when he talked about the global "players," might be talking about non-human or hybrid beings.

The following interview on Michael Jaco's podcast is with the mysterious and anonymous Juan O Savin, a "patriot insider" who routinely seems very dubious, "out there," and speaks like a spellbinder, but of course, everything he says is well within what the Cs have said is possible. He purports to have direct involvement as a "white hat" and to possess hidden information, but never goes into specifics, and sometimes says that he doesn't know the specifics. Although things like underground bases, generations of underground people, fantastic technology at work on Earth, and global government (a global deep state) are among his routine topics, none of that suggested to me that he actually knew something. I did not take him very seriously. But now he brings up a plan to replace us. So, I noticed.

JOS: "That BP thing, down there in the gulf, someday I'll talk about it more in depth, almost nobody knows that was actually a test for other things that they want to do that have to do with the 'other' physics at an adjacent location there. And there's a certain reason why that was done, in order to test expressing, manipulating things at a planetary level from that type of a location. It was a test of technology. So there's all sorts going on. We can't get out in the weeds for the time being with people, and you kind of have to have them understand what the rest of the technology is like, but that was so much bigger than even people now understand. There was a whole bunch more going on. That's the case with a lot of this stuff. You're seeing things that you think are just for a little local situation, but actually they're trying to get into a position where they can take over planetary control. It's that big. If you don't see it at that scale, then you kind of miss what's really going on. And that's why the president (Trump), the people around him, repeatedly say, 'it's so much bigger than you can imagine.'"

"I've mentioned on your show and others that China has a deep state. Well, who's their deep state? Same deep state as we have. It's the same players that are running China behind the scenes... the same players that are really behind Russia. They divide us, get us working against each other. They're the ones doing all the managing to keep us weakened while they seal the deal, if you will, on planetary control, and if they succeed, it'll a thousand years of slavery, if we're lucky. If they have their way it might be ten or twenty or fifty years before they wipe us out, and they'll be only ones who survive, and their bloodlines. And while that may seem fantastical, it may seem incomprehensible to many people, the reality is, they
really are certifiably mad. It's like a James Bond movie. They believe they can wipe us out, and their bloodlines survive. It's that crazy. So, we can't underestimate our enemies on this. We have to think bigger, and see things bigger. And that's one of the gifts, it's like a divinely inspired gift to have President Trump and the people around him in this situation because they do see it at that level and they're operating accordingly. If you underestimate these guys, they'll hand your head to you on a plate, I mean literally."

The relevant bits from Cs sessions are below.

Session 960504
Q: (L) One of the questions we were dealing with was the use of warfare to create situations in which bodies could be taken...
A: Warfare has many "uses."
Q: (L) Could you list for us some of the most common uses of warfare?
A: Generation of environment to facilitate inconspicuous replacement of gene pool. Factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception activity, replacement of key personnel according to frequency vibration prereadings...
Q: (TH) Who or what in the gene pool is being replaced?
(TK) Whoever they want replaced. (L) Well, you know how it is in the movies... everybody is indiscriminately making love before they go into battle... (F) Yes... they said 'factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception activity...' (L) 'Replacement of key personnel according to frequency vibration pre-readings...' Okay: do you mean to say that war...
A: Creates "environment" for unnoticed genetic modifications because of greatly heightened exchange of both physical and ethereal factors.
Q: (L) What do you mean by "replacement of key personnel?" Key personnel according to whose definition?
A: 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Are these key personnel human?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple as someone dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by another person who comes to power? That would be the simplest scenario that would fit this explanation.
A: Your scenario is not simple.
Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the machinations...
A: Both.
Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as in duplication?
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have taken place to effectively create entire new "underground race" of humans, both from direct capture followed by "reeducation," and spawning activity using these persons and others. Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen your world.
Q: (L) Are you saying... (TK) They have given birth and these children have never seen our world... (L) How can an entire race of people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this planet, without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or at least a large number, realizing that there is anything going on? This is so wild an idea...
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the surface?
Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren't saying that the earth is hollow, are you?
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?
A: 3,108 miles.
[...]
Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) Well, we'll never explore all of what is under the ocean. (L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people for?
A: To replace you.
Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?
A: Completely.

Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground cities have souls?
A: Yes, most.
Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.
Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.
[,,,]
Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this? (TK) We don't!
A: You have been the "preparation committee."

Session 000415
A: All are possible futures, just wait and see. There is an alien race that has plans to replace your physical vehicles with a new "model."
Q: (L) What are they going to do with the old models?
A: "Retire them."
Q: (T) Which race is this?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) Is this essentially what happened with Neanderthal?
A: Yup!

The entire podcast is here, and the relevant bit begins at about 11:40. Juan O Savin - Michael Jaco. - People are waking Up.
 
What stone was Nicholas Roerich returning to a temple when he made his trek into Siberia? - Stone was diamond from Persia.
In this Session 15 April 2000
Q: (L) What stone was Nicholas Roerich returning to a temple when he made his trek into Siberia?

A: Stone was diamond from Persia.

Q: (L) What kind of UFO was it that he sighted at the time that he made the dedication of this temple; considering also that this was on the direct line of Tunguska?

A: UFO was a probe.

Q: (L) Was it there because they were there, or was it unrelated?

A: Related.

Q: (L) What was the significance of this diamond?

A: Energized.

Q: (L) By what?

A: Not by: for.

Q: (L) Energized for what?

A: Link.

Q: (L) Link to what?

A: Your move.

Q: (T) For the wave?

A: No, Terry, we are reminding Laura that this is not 20 questions.
Nothing I could find says directly that the stone referred to was a diamond from Persia, another word for Iran:
Iran was referred to as Persia by the West, due to Greek historians who referred to all of Iran as Persís, meaning 'the land of the Persians'.[13][14][15][16] Persia is the Fars province in southwest Iran, the 4th largest province, also known as Pârs.[17][18] The Persian Fârs (فارس), derived from the earlier form Pârs (پارس), which is in turn derived from Pârsâ (Old Persian: 𐎱𐎠𐎼𐎿). Due to Fars' historical importance,[19][20] Persia originated from this territory through Greek in around 550 BC,[21] and Westerners referred to the entire country as Persia,[22][23] until 1935, when Reza Shah requested the international community to use its native and original name, Iran;[24] Iranians called their nation Iran since at least 1000 BC.[17] Today, both Iran and Persia are used culturally, while Iran remains mandatory in official use.[25][26][27][28][29]
Still, in the history surrounding the Roerichs there is no lack of coincidences, and if looking into these does not give an answer to the initial enquiry, it opens up the history surrounding the lives of the Roerichs. Below are some reflections:

Diamonds in Persia?

The suggestion of a diamond from Persia could easily be brushed away if no diamonds can be found or have been stored there, but Iran has a large and old collections of jewels. Other large collections are the Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom and the Russian Diamond Fund. Here is the Wiki for Iranian National Jewels. There is also an Iranian web page. As such a diamond could have come from Iran, even if it further back may have originated somewhere else.

Were there connections between Central Asia and Iran?

The Wiki for Iran has:
In the early thirteenth century, the Mongols reached Iran. The region around Bukhara was conquered in 1220[72] and the Khwarazmian Empire was destroyed.[71] Over the following decades, further conquests followed in the Middle East, culminating in the fall of Baghdad and end of the Abbasid Caliphate's rule there in 1258.[73]

The Ilkhanate and aftermath
After the death of Möngke Khan, the Mongol Empire was fractured by civil war, both over the succession of the next Great Khan and between nomadic traditionalists and the new settled princes of China and the Middle East. Kublai Khan (1260–1294) was eventually universally recognized but the empire was irreversibly fragmented.[73] In much of the south-west of the empire (including Iran), power fell to Hulegu Khan,[74] who had been made a deputy there under Möngke Khan.[73] Hulegu was swiftly accepted as a legitimate ruler in Iran and was further legitimized through a fatwa issued by the Shia scholar Ali ibn Tawus al-Hilli.[75] Iran experienced a cultural renaissance under Ilkhanid rule.[75] Ghazan Khan (1295–1304) converted to Islam in the late thirteenth century, turning the state further away from the other Mongol realms.[74]
About Möngke Khan
Möngke was born on 11 January 1209, as the eldest son of Genghis Khan's teenaged son Tolui and Sorghaghtani Beki.
Under Tolui we learn that the above Möngke Khan was the brother of the later leader of Iran, Hulegu/Hulagu Khan
Tolui's wife was Sorghaghtani Beki; their sons included Möngke and Kublai, the fourth and fifth khans of the empire, and Hulagu, the founder of the Ilkhanate.

Tolui was less active than his elder brothers Jochi, Chagatai, and Ögedei during their father's rise to power, but once he reached adulthood he was considered the finest warrior of the four.
Sorghaghtani Beki
was a Keraite princess and daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan. Married to Tolui, Genghis' youngest son, Sorghaghtani became one of the most powerful and competent people in the Mongol Empire. She made policy decisions at a pivotal moment that led to the transition of the Mongol Empire towards a more cosmopolitan and sophisticated style of administration. She raised her sons to be leaders and maneuvered the family politics so that all four of her sons, Möngke Khan, Hulagu Khan, Ariq Böke, and Kublai Khan, went on to inherit the legacy of their grandfather.

Given her enormous impact at such a critical point of the mighty Mongol Empire, she is likely one of the most influential and powerful women in history.3 Sorghaghtani was a Christian, specifically a member of the Church of the East (often misleadingly referred to as "Nestorianism"). As a moving spirit behind the Mongol Empire, Sorghaghtani is responsible for much of the trade openings and intellectual exchange of the largest contiguous empire in world history.4
About Keraite
The Keraites (also Kerait, Kereit, Khereid, Kazakh: керейт; Kyrgyz: керей; Mongolian: Хэрэйд; Nogai: Кереит; Uzbek: Kerait; Chinese: 克烈) were one of the five dominant Turco-Mongol tribal confederations (khanates) in the Altai-Sayan region during the 12th century. They had converted to the Church of the East (Nestorianism) in the early 11th century and are one of the possible sources of the European Prester John legend.

Their original territory was expansive, corresponding to much of what is now Mongolia. Vasily Bartold (1913) located them along the upper Onon and Kherlen rivers and along the Tuul river.[15] They were defeated by Genghis Khan in 1203 and became influential in the rise of the Mongol Empire, and were gradually absorbed into the succeeding Mongol khanates during the 13th century.
Here is a map from the Wiki: The above Keraites are possibly associated with what is called QIRAD below, but it could also be the Khereids, or both. Notice in the map that Buryats were in the Northern area.
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During the time of the large migrations of the Mongols, their religion changed. The Wiki on Buddhism in Mongolia has:
Buddhism in Mongolia derives much of its recent characteristics from Tibetan Buddhism of the Gelug and Kagyu lineages, but is distinct and presents its own unique characteristics.

Buddhism in Mongolia began with the Yuan dynasty (1271–1368) emperors' conversion to Tibetan Buddhism. The Mongols returned to shamanic traditions after the collapse of the Mongol Empire, but Buddhism reemerged in the 16th and 17th centuries.
The Roerichs and Buddhism?
The Roerichs were from Russian Orthodox Christian families, but then became associated with Tibetan Buddhism, and Theosophy which was co-founded in New York in 1875 by Helena Blavatsky, and 18 others. Around the time of the Roerich expeditions, there was a book published, discussed in this thread: Theodore Illion: Darkness Over Tibet Where Theodore Illion was standing is clear, but the Roerichs? The answer may not be black and white, but the question could need more work. More on Buddhism later in the post.

The travels of Roerichs​

It is safe to say that the Roerichs travelled in the above area from where in the 13th century, there was an invasion of Iran.

Here is one map, a screenshot from this film, Roerich. The Call of Cosmic evolution (2013) that shows one of their travel journeys. Comparing it with the previous map of distribution of the Mongols, they travelled more in the western and central areas.
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The next article excerpt describes the duration and the extent of the travels, but also explains what it finds wrong about what others write about the project of the Roerichs.
The Central Asian Expedition of Nicholas Roerich – Reality and Fiction
by Alexander Stetsenko, Deputy Director-general of the Museum by name of Nicholas Roerich, Moscow.
(The article is included in the publication ‘Materials of the International Scientific Public Conference ‘Let’s Protect Names and Heritage of the Roerichs’ (in Russian), International Centre of the Roerichs, Master-Bank, Moscow. – 2001)​
Then comes some assertions by others:
All these concoctions were ingeniously voiced in the works of Oleg Shishkin, first in 1994, in his articles written for the 'Segodnya' newspaper, then in 1999, in the book 'Struggle for the Himalayas – NKVD Magic and Espionage'. Shishkin’s 'companion' in the falsification of the events that once took place around Roerich and his expedition was A. Senkevich. This figure provided a 'scientific' basis for the spreading of mendacious claims against the Roerichs. It was very rapidly that all kinds of inventions and fabrications on the Central Asian expedition came in vogue and were voiced by yet more people, such as V. Rosov, A. Topchiev etc. Following the release of Shishkin's 2001 book, I. Minutko issued his opus 'The Master's Temptation: a Version of Life and Death of Nicholas Roerich.'

However all the deceitful fog of yet another 'version' disperses fully upon reading Nicholas Roerich's own road diary. 'Of course, it was the artistic work’, he writes in his 1929' book 'Heart of Asia, ’that was my chief endeavor as an artist. It is hard to imagine when I will be able to put all my artistic notes and impressions into practice – so generous are these gifts of Asia <...> Apart from purely artistic tasks, in our expedition we intended to get to know the condition of the memorials and the antiquities of the Central Asia, to monitor the current state of religion and traditions, and to mark the trails of the great migration of peoples. The latter task has always been dear to me' [1, pp. 5-6].

These were the tasks posed before the expedition by its Leader. Their implementation resulted in hundreds of paintings and multiple scientific, historical and philosophical essays that formed several books.

Apart from practical scientific tasks, the Central Asian expedition performed an enormous evolutionary task, which is thoroughly analyzed in the book by Lyudmila Shaposhnikova 'The Cosmic Behests'.

The expedition was unique in every respect. First, it was the length of the route: the distance covered amounted to over 25 000 km. Secondly, it was the terrain crossed: the expedition left behind 35 passes from 11 000 to 21 000 feet high and covered the territory of as many as 5 countries. The contemporary history of the humankind hasn't yet seen such an expedition, its results astonishing even the most daring imagination. But these results are real and confirmed by the abundant heritage of the Roerichs.​
Impressive trip, but nothing about a stone.

The word diamond as a metaphor?

Concepts related to diamond appear in the writing, beliefs and associations of the Roerichs. How far to follow this trail is debatable, but below are some ideas.

Adamant-like stands beauty
On this page, there were digital copies of old books by Roerich. In one of them,
Н. К. Рерих. АЛТАЙ-ГИМАЛАИ. (МЫСЛИ НА КОНЕ И В ШАТРЕ) 1923–1926 Улан-Батор, Хото, 1927, there was a title „Адамант“ (1924)" which was found here in Russian and here in English. The word "Adamant" can be taken as an archaic word for diamond, however in this book it is not used in relation to a stone, rather: "But adamant-like stands beauty." This does not exclude that a diamond can be beautiful, but if there is a "solid" foundation for the use of the metaphor is not revealed. For more books by Roerich and in English try here.

Chintamani - a wish-fulfilling jewel?
There is a blog: Nicholas Roerich and the Chintamani stone only dedicated to this question. The writer prefers the interpretation that the stone was related to a meteorite, more on that later, but in this Wiki it is described a wish-fulfilling jewel in both Buddhism and Vedic traditions.

What is said about the Chintamani under Buddhism may be relevant:
In Buddhism, it is held by the Bodhisattvas (divine beings with great compassion, wisdom and power) Avalokiteshvara and Ksitigarbha. It is also seen carried upon the back of the Lung Ta (wind horse) which is depicted on Tibetan prayer flags. By reciting the Dharani (small hymn) of Cintamani, Buddhist tradition maintains that one attains the Wisdom of Buddha, able to understand the truth of the Buddha, and turn afflictions into Bodhi. It is said to allow one to see the Holy Retinue of Amitabha and assembly upon one's deathbed. In Tibetan Buddhist tradition the Chintamani is sometimes depicted as a luminous pearl and is in the possession of several of different forms of the Buddha.
And:
In Buddhism, the wish fulfilling jewel (Skt. maṇi, cintā-maṇi, cintāmaṇi-ratna) is an important mythic symbol indicating a magical jewel that manifests one's wishes, including the curing of disease, purification of water, granting clothing, food, treasure etc. It is a common symbol for the teachings and qualities of the Buddha.

One of the manifestation of Avalokitesvara is named Cintāmaṇicakra and holds a Cintāmaṇi.

In Tibetan Buddhism the Cintāmaṇi is said to be one of four relics that came in a chest that fell from the sky (many terma fell from the sky in caskets) during the reign of king Lha Thothori Nyantsen of Tibet. <"Wikipedia: Citation needed"> Though the king did not understand the purpose of the objects, he kept them in a position of reverence. Several years later, two mysterious strangers appeared at the court of the king, explaining the four relics, which included the Buddha's bowl (possibly a Singing Bowl) and a mani stone with the Om Mani Padme Hum mantra inscribed on it. These few objects were the bringers of the Dharma to Tibet.
Diamond Vehicle
One metaphorical diamond connection is that Tibetan Buddhism is a variation of Mahāyāna Buddhism and includes elements of Vajrayāna which can be translated as Diamond Vehicle. Next are excerpts from relevant Wikis:
Tibetan Buddhism evolved as a form of Mahāyāna Buddhism stemming from the latest stages of Indian Buddhism (which included many Vajrayāna elements). [...] In the pre-modern era, Tibetan Buddhism spread outside of Tibet primarily due to the influence of the Mongol Yuan dynasty (1271–1368), founded by Kublai Khan, who ruled China, Mongolia, and parts of Siberia.
In Vajrayāna there is:
Vajrayāna (Sanskrit: वज्रयान; lit. 'vajra vehicle'), also known as Mantrayāna ('mantra vehicle'), Guhyamantrayāna ('secret mantra vehicle'), Tantrayāna ('tantra vehicle'), Tantric Buddhism, and Esoteric Buddhism, is a Mahāyāna Buddhist tradition that emphasizes esoteric practices and rituals aimed at rapid spiritual awakening.
The vajra is a mythical weapon associated with Indra that was said to be indestructible and unbreakable (like a diamond) and extremely powerful (like thunder).
In Vajra:
Vajrayana is translated as "Thunderbolt Way" or "Diamond Way",
So much for the metaphors.

The Roerichs were also looking for Shambhala

In the Wiki, there is:
Expeditions and location hypotheses
Nicholas and Helena Roerich led a 1924–1928 expedition aimed at Shambhala. They also believed that Belukha Mountain in the Altai Mountains was an entrance to Shambhala, a common belief in that region.[15] They led a second expedition to look for Shambhala in Mongolia between 1934 and 1935. [16]

Inspired by Theosophical lore and several visiting Mongol lamas, Gleb Bokii, the chief Bolshevik cryptographer and one of the bosses of the Soviet secret police, along with his writer friend Alexander Barchenko, embarked on a quest for Shambhala, in an attempt to merge Kalachakra-tantra and ideas of Communism in the 1920s. Among other things, in a secret laboratory affiliated with the secret police, Bokii and Barchenko experimented with Buddhist spiritual techniques to try to find a key for engineering perfect communist human beings.[17] They contemplated a special expedition to Inner Asia to retrieve the wisdom of Shambhala – the project fell through as a result of intrigues within the Soviet intelligence service, as well as rival efforts of the Soviet Foreign Commissariat that sent its own expedition to Tibet in 1924.

French Buddhist Alexandra David-Néel associated Shambhala with Balkh in present-day Afghanistan, also offering the Persian Sham-i-Bala, "elevated candle" as an etymology of its name.[18] In a similar vein, the Gurdjieffian J. G. Bennett published speculation that Shambalha was Shams-i-Balkh, a Bactrian sun temple.[19]
Does the idea of Shambhala relate to the cosmology of Zoroastrianism
Notice in the etymology of Shambhala, that some connect it to "Persia"/Iran of which Bactria used to be a part.
Bactria (/ˈbæktriə/; Bactrian: βαχλο, Bakhlo), or Bactriana, was an ancient Iranian civilization in Central Asia based in the area south of the Oxus River (modern Amu Darya) and north of the mountains of the Hindu Kush, an area within the north of modern Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. [...]

Called "beautiful Bactria, crowned with flags" by the Avesta, the region is considered, in the Zoroastrian faith, to be one of the "sixteen perfect Iranian lands" that the supreme deity, Ahura Mazda, had created
If the origin of the word Shambhala possibly connects to Iran, are there also links back in time between the idea of Shambhala as understood among some Buddhists and the ideas in Zoroastrianism?
The Wiki about Shambhala begins:
Shambhala (Sanskrit: शम्भल, IAST: Śambhala),[1] also spelled Shambala or Shamballa (Tibetan: བདེ་འབྱུང, Wylie: Bde'byung; Chinese: 香巴拉; pinyin: Xiāngbālā), is a spiritual kingdom in Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Shambhala is mentioned in the Kalachakra Tantra.[2][3] The Bon scriptures speak of a closely related land called Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring.[4]

The Sanskrit name is taken from the name of a city near the Ganges, sometimes identified with Sambhal in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, as mentioned in the Hindu Puranas.[1] The mythological relevance of the place originates with a prophecy in Vishnu Purana (4.24) according to which Shambhala will be the birthplace of Kalki, the next incarnation of Vishnu, who will usher in a new age (Satya Yuga);[1][5] and the prophesied ruling Kingdom of Maitreya, the future Buddha.[6][7]
The Wiki on Zoroastrianism has
Zoroastrianism (Persian: دین زرتشتی Dīn-e Zartoshtī), also called Mazdayasnā (Avestan: 𐬨𐬀𐬰𐬛𐬀𐬌𐬌𐬀𐬯𐬥𐬀) or Beh-dīn (بهدین), is an Iranian religion centred on the Avesta and the teachings of Zarathushtra Spitama, who is more commonly referred to by the Greek translation, Zoroaster (Greek: Ζωροάστρις Zōroastris). Among the world's oldest organized faiths, its adherents exalt an uncreated, benevolent, and all-wise deity known as Ahura Mazda (𐬀𐬵𐬎𐬭𐬋⸱𐬨𐬀𐬰𐬛𐬃), who is hailed as the supreme being of the universe. Opposed to Ahura Mazda is Angra Mainyu (𐬀𐬢𐬭𐬀⸱𐬨𐬀𐬌𐬥𐬌𐬌𐬎), who is personified as a destructive spirit and the adversary of all things that are good. As such, the Zoroastrian religion combines a dualistic cosmology of good and evil with an eschatological outlook predicting the ultimate triumph of Ahura Mazda over evil.[1]
[...]
Zoroastrianism began during the Avestan period (possibly as early as the 2nd millennium BCE), but was first recorded in the mid-6th century BCE. For the following millennium, it was the official religion of successive Iranian polities, beginning with the Achaemenid Empire, which formalized and institutionalized many of its tenets and rituals, and ending with the Sasanian Empire, which revitalized the faith and standardized its teachings.[8]
Might it be that Zoroastrianism and the prophecy of the victory of Ahura Mazda over Angra Mainyu is the origin of the myth of the coming Satya Yuga mentioned in the Vishnu Puran as well as the idea of Shambhala mentioned in the Kalachakra Yantra? Or did thy appear independently?

Another article that mentions the Chintamani, is Nicholas Roerich & the Sacred Union of the East By Andrei Znamenski, author of Red Shambhala: Magic, Prophecy, and Geopolitics in the Heart of Asia (2012). (As an example of a review, see the page of the Theosophical Society in America by George M. Young ends:
Znamenski’s approach is in part a worthy attempt to correct a previous overemphasis on the unworldly dimensions of Shambhala. But he may go a bit far toward overcorrection. The visions and ambitions of the characters discussed certainly included Shambhala fever, but perhaps not to the degree claimed by Znamenski. This is especially true, I think, of the Roerichs. Artists, dreamers, mythmakers, utopians, yes, but not the budding Lenins with paintbrushes that Znamenski portrays. He writes: “Nicholas and Helena never thought in terms of emotions and friendship. The world was strictly divided into those who were useful and those who were useless. The people who surrounded them were just pawns in their schemes.” Really? A pervasive theme in Roerich’s work as painter, writer, scholar, and humanitarian is that spiritual culture trumps politics. Znamenski tries, perhaps too strenuously, to prove the opposite.

The Ukrainian author Nikolai Gogol once had a character say during an overenthusiastic debate: “Gentlemen, Alexander the Macedonian was indeed a great hero, but why smash the chairs?” Red Shambhala is a valuable book, but in places Gogol’s wisdom might be applicable.
With the above disclaimer in mind as possible, the article by Znamenski begins:
Late in the summer of 1934, a peculiar sage-looking European appeared in Manchuria and then proceeded to Chinese Mongolia. Plump with a round face and a short neatly trimmed beard, this strange man moved around like a high dignitary and spoke English with a heavy Slavic accent. He announced to local officials that he was on a special mission sent by the United States Department of Agriculture to collect drought-resistant plants. Yet, the behaviour of this “botanist” (who in reality was a painter) raised the eyebrows of Japanese intelligence – the entire north-eastern portion of China was occupied by Japan in 1931.

The head of the botanical expedition was not so interested in herbs. Rather he became involved in exploring the political situation and in studying local religious prophecies. He was especially concerned with a Buddhist prophecy called Shambhala. Very popular in the Mongol-Tibetan world, Shambhala was viewed as a legendary land of spiritual bliss – a Tibetan Buddhist paradise – that the faithful believed would arrive after a world-wide battle between the forces of light, the proponents of the “true” Buddhist faith, and the forces of darkness (lalo), the people of alien beliefs. The legend, which emerged in the early Middle Ages when Buddhists had to fight Muslim advances into northern India, eventually became a potent spiritual force in the Tibetan-Mongol world. The name of the man who tried to step into the world of this prophecy was Nicholas Roerich, a Russian émigré painter from New York City. The person who commissioned him to embark on this strange expedition was Henry Wallace, then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s secretary of agriculture and subsequently his vice president.
The American connections are not much mentioned in the Russian video, from where the map of some of their travels was taken. The article has an image of Roerich with the Chintamani stone:
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Portrait of Nicholas Roerich holding a chest with the sacred Chintamani stone.
It appears the Shambhala prophecy caught Roerich’s attention as early as 1909 when a group of Tibetan Buddhists living in Russia and headed by Agvan Dorzhiev, a Buryat Buddhist monk and the envoy of the Dalai Lama to the Russian court, received Tsar Nicholas II’s blessing to erect a Tibetan Buddhist Kalachakra temple in St Petersburg. Roerich, who helped to design stained glasses for the temple, became fascinated with Dorzhiev’s stories about Shambhala. No less captivating was the Buryat lama’s dream of bringing all Tibetan Buddhist people together in a united state under the protection of the Russian tsar, whom Dorzhiev declared a reincarnation of the Shambhala king.2 The knowledge received from the learned lama sank deeply in Roerich’s mind, and the painter eventually came to the conclusion that, along with his wife Helena, he was destined to bring the knowledge of the legendary kingdom to humankind.

Simultaneously, Nicholas and Helena Roerich read Helena Blavatsky’s works, frequented occult and Spiritualist salons, and finally set up their own offshoot of Theosophy – Agni Yoga (Fire Yoga). A year before the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, they left Russia for Europe and eventually settled in the United States, where they acquired a number of loyal followers. By the early 1920s Nicholas and Helena came to believe that the Great White Brotherhood, the hidden masters of Shambhala, acting through their virtual teacher Master Morya, chose them to speed up human spiritual evolution by establishing a great Buddhist theocracy in the heart of Asia.3
More on Agvan Dorzhiev, a Buryat Buddhist monk, later but first another excerpt from Znamenski.
Recent research into this and Roerich’s other Asian ventures in the 1920s and the 1930s1 uncovered that his ultimate plan was to establish what he called the Sacred Union of the East, uniting the people of the Mongol-Tibetan world and Siberia. Shambhala and related Inner Asia prophecies would be used to rally the people in all these areas. Roerich contemplated the Sacred Union of the East as an ideal state with cooperatives as its economic foundation and with a universal religion based on reformed Tibetan Buddhism and his version of Theosophy. In his correspondence and in the circle of his acolytes this project was also referred to as ‘Kansas’, the ‘New Country’, or simply as the ‘Great Plan’.
In the above paragraph, there was "Kansas", a rather perculiar choice, since it also appears in the Wizard of Oz which at the time of the above events was not yet a film but did exist as a novel:
The Wizard of Oz is a 1939 American musical fantasy film produced by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM). Based on the 1900 novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum
In the summary of the plot of the novel, that Wiki has:
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is a 1900 children's novel written by author L. Frank Baum and illustrated by W. W. Denslow.[1] It is the first novel in the Oz series of books. A Kansas farm girl named Dorothy ends up in the magical Land of Oz after she and her pet dog Toto are swept away from their home by a cyclone.[2] Upon her arrival in the magical world of Oz, she learns she cannot return home until she has destroyed the Wicked Witch of the West.[3]

The Cs mention a diamond, others circle around a meteorite. Was there was more than one stone?
Nicholas Roerich, Chintamani and ‘Le Sacre du Printemps’ February 11, 2012 – 3:30 pm
A strong case can be made that Nicholas Roerich depicted the main Chintamani stone in a number of versions in his sketches and designs for Act One of ‘Le Sacre du Printemps’.

Roerich had learnt about the Chintamani stone by at least the year 1912 from the
high lama Agvan Dorjiev. The lama is said to have obtained a fragment of the Chintamani stone ‘from Shambhala’ and to have concealed it in the foundations of the Buddhist Temple then being built under his supervision in the Staraya Derevnya district of St Petersburg. It was at that same time, while Roerich was a member of the committee advising the Temple project, that he also learnt from Dorjiev about the ‘future importance’ of Shambhala. In these circumstances, it seems very likely that Roerich received from Dorjiev, or one of his circle, an impression of the size and appearance of the main stone.

Up to that time, Roerich’s scenic design for Act One of ‘Le Sacre du Printemps’, a ballet inspired by rituals to revivify Spring in ancient Russia, featured the depiction of a large tree. When this was criticised by Diaghilev, Roerich chose to replace it with the depiction of a large boulder or stone. This would now act as the centrepiece for the sacred dance.

Roerich’s sketches dated 1912, and those for subsequent productions of the ballet, show the evolution of this design. Versions of it were used for the premiere in 1913; for the 1929 design, produced in 1930; and the 1944 design, produced in 1948.

All these depictions of the stone exhibit a remarkable resemblance to the great meteorite lying in the foothills of the Altai Mountains in Mongolia, which, following from information contained in the Roerichs’ books, can be identified in the scientific record as the main mass of what was called the Chintamani stone. The last photo in the sequence is one of only two which are known of this great meteorite insitu. It therefore also shows the place which was understood by the Roerichs to be the ‘foundation of Shambhala’.

After Roerich left Russia in 1917, the contemporary realisation of the Shambhala idea in Central Asia became a mission which gave direction to many of his activities. In Paris in 1923, Roerich and his wife Helena received a talisman intended to protect and guide them during their travels in Asia and their subsequent work. It was a piece of a meteorite which was also identified with the name Chintamani, and this is one of the reasons for inferring that Roerich’s Stone was likely to have derived from the same main stone as the piece earlier obtained by Dorjiev.
The above has some paintings as well as images of what is claimed to be a fragment of the meteorite.
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Insitu photo of the great meteorite in Mongolia, identifiable as the main mass of the Chintamani stone
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Sacre decor 1944
The above, Agvan Dojiev is also known as Agvan Lobsan Dorzhiev. His Wiki has:
Agvan Lobsan Dorzhiev (1853 – 29 January 1938) was a Russian-born monk of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism, sometimes referred by his scholarly title as Tsenyi Khempo. He was popularly known as the Sokpo Tsеnshab Ngawang Lobsang (literally Mongolian Tsenshab Ngavang Lobsang) to the Tibetans.

He was a Khory Buryat born in the village of Khara-Shibir, not far from Ulan-Ude, east of Lake Baikal.
About Agvan Dorzhiev, the BBC had an article that supposedly also existed in English, but now only the Russian is left. Translated the title is: A Buddhist saint or a Russian spy? In search of the truth about Aghvan Dorzhiev

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Returning to the Roerich Chintamani blog:
Notes on the connections between Nicholas Roerich, Alexander Barchenko and Chintamani
In his Moscow laboratory Barchenko was carrying out experiments on behalf of the Bolsheviks on mind control at a distance, with the aim of inculcating revolutionary fervour in the masses by the excitation of their brain cells. These experiments were highly innovative and included unusual devices using rotating magnets. The destruction of Barchenko’s work means that what we know about it today is extremely fragmentary, but Roerich’s connections with Barchenko may ironically cast some further tantalising light into Barchenko’s world. Barchenko and Roerich had been friends since before the Revolution, both having been members of an esoteric Rosicrucian group called the Martinists.

In 1923 Nicholas Roerich and his wife Helena became the custodians of a talisman called the Stone, which was a piece of a large highly magnetic meteorite called Chintamani which was said to lie ‘in Shambhala’. The Roerichs believed their Stone, having also this magnetic property, had a capacity to receive, amplify and transmit psychic energy – in their case to help channel spiritual teachings and to receive communications from the spiritual Brotherhood to guide their endeavours. There is a photograph of the Stone in the archive of the Nicholas Roerich Museum in New York. When this was revealed a few years ago, the material existence of the Stone could at last be confirmed. Unusually for a meteoritic fragment, it shows the talisman has a noticable axial symmetry, and seems to have been shaped or worked on to create a form resembling a tortoise carapace. As to who sent the Stone to the Roerichs, no substantial information has so far entered the public domain – certainly it would have been somebody extremely sympathetic to Roerich’s aims in Central Asia, and who knew about the Stone’s connection with Chintamani.

The Roerichs received the Stone in Paris, while preparing for their travels to Central Asia, together with instructions from the spiritual Brotherhood regarding their mission and their aspirations for Shambhala which they wanted to realise there. Thus Roerich was told that he should return with the Stone to its ‘homeland’ in Central Asia, whereupon certain ‘new developments’ would take place, and that his mission would be protected. Nowadays more is known about Roerich’s ambitions for the ‘Shambhala project’ in Central Asia – a plan for the unification of the Buddhist and Mongol territories under a kind of synarchy where the Roerichs’ teachings would have a significant role. During the Central Asian Expedition of 1923-28 and subsequently, the Stone always remained in the Roerichs’ custody.

There is however another story, spoken about a few years ago by some of Roerich’s followers in Moscow, that the Stone was given to Roerich to take to Moscow for Barchenko’s laboratory. Although it is significant that Roerich’s code-word for Moscow was ‘Martin’, and it is said that Roerich and Barchenko met in Moscow in 1926, there are various details of this story, most obviously that the Stone was exchanged there for another meteorite, that are inconsistent with what is known, suggesting that the facts must have been misconstrued in some way. Significantly, Barchenko had in 1923 received a Buddhist Kalachakra initiation from the high lama Agvan Dorjiev, who was Roerich’s mentor on the subject of Shambhala at the time of the construction of the Buddhist Temple in St Petersburg, between 1909-13. Dorjiev, a Buriat Mongol, knew about the great meteorite Chintamani, from which Roerich’s talisman derived. Dorjiev himself is well known for having earlier put forward a plan for the creation of a ‘great Buddhist confederacy’ in Central Asia. It seems possible, therefore, that what actually took place was that it was Barchenko who sent the Stone to Roerich, rather than Roerich who took it to Barchenko, and that quite possibly he did so on behalf of Dorjiev or with his endorsement. Some of Roerich’s followers in Russia say that Dorjiev had installed another piece of the Chintamani stone in the Buddhist Temple during its construction.

There is a further important piece of evidence which may indicate Barchenko as the sender of the Stone to the Roerichs. When it was received it was contained in an antique casket and was wrapped in a cloth embroidered with designs and symbols suggesting this was of Rosicrucian origin. Thus whoever sent the Stone also sent the cloth, and Barchenko was the only close co-worker of Roerich who shared this Rosicrucian connection.

Some years ago, in 1991, following evidence in the Roerichs’ published books, I put forward a suggestion for the identity of the main Chintamani meteorite, but as I know of no other similar investigation, the question remains. It seems noteworthy in corroboration, nevertheless, that another Buriat Mongol, Dr Tsyben Zhamtsarano, who was both involved in the Shambhala idea and a colleague of Roerich, had a field knowledge of the meteorite I identified. However, notwithstanding whether the identity of the meteorite is confirmed, my further research about this stone has revealed something astonishing – one of the most blatant scientific deceptions of the twentieth century – but that is another story.

Where the Roerichs’ Stone is now located is probably only known to one or two of the custodians of the Roerichs’ work in Russia.
See also by the same author: A note on the origin of the sacred stone in Act One of ‘Le Sacre du Printemps’
The idea came about incidentally during my researches about Nicholas Roerich. I had come across his name by chance in 1977 as a result of my interest in the graal, or grail, legends. Roerich was the custodian of a talismanic mineral which he usually referred to simply as ‘the Stone’. What interested me was that he seemed to imply a connection between this Stone and the stone of the graal, lapis exilis, which occurs in the German graal story Parzival, by Wolfram von Eschenbach. (Richard Wagner based his opera Parsifal on this story, but in it he changed the symbol to a cup or chalice which is the conventional and universally recognised symbol.) Only Wolfram’s story makes it a stone, and because of other facts surrounding his conception, it is for me and for many people the version of the legend which comes closest to revealing the truth about the graal.

The fact that Roerich made a link between a material object and something thought of as merely a symbol made it essential to try to identify his Stone. The reader of Roerich’s books is left in no doubt that the talisman seemed to embody the meaning of his esoteric work. A central aim of this work was the promotion of a contemporary interpretation of the idea of Shambhala, the ‘promised land’ of the Buddhists. The ‘Shambhala project’, as it is now sometimes called, envisaged the creation of a Buddhist-Mongol theocracy to fill the power vacuum in Central Asia in the 1920’s, and its two leading figures, the Buriat lama Agvan Dorjiev and the Mongol leader Dr Tsyben Zhamtsarano, were well known to Roerich. Was the use of the Stone as a propitiatory talisman in this endeavour based on its connection with the graal, or did Roerich make only a poetic connection because of the nature and supposed powers of the talisman?

Initially my researches to discover the facts about Roerich’s Stone took time, as little of the information was then in the public domain. The custodians of Roerich’s work were seemingly reluctant to disclose information about any matters which had esoteric or political ramifications. This applied particularly to the Stone, which had been employed both as an ‘instrument’ which, it was believed, had the power to conduct and enhance psychic energy over distance, and was also implicated with the Shambhala project, which had involved public figures. It was possible, of course, that the people I was in touch with may not have known all the facts I wanted. Every statement and item of information about the Stone in Roerich’s books and elsewhere had to be assessed and collated in order to reconstruct its story. I had learnt early on that it was generally thought to be a fragment of a giant meteorite, but it was not until 1991 that I found out crucial details about certain of its meteoritic characteristics which, together with other information, enabled me to search for a match for the parent stone in the scientific record. Fortunately there was only one likely ‘candidate’. It was then a question of looking for other material about this stone in the scientific literature to corroborate my identification. This arrived in the form of information connecting it to the work of Roerich’s colleague Zhamtsarano in a paper on meteorites originally published in Ulan Bator in Mongolia in 1958. This evidence was better than I had dared hope for and gave the confirmation I needed.

The main mass of Roerich’s Stone was thus identified as a giant iron meteorite known to the Mongols as the Silver Camel, and which they hold to be sacred. It weighs about twenty-eight tons, making it by far the largest known meteorite in Asia and the fourth largest on record. It fell in remote antiquity at a site close to the Bulgan river in the foothills of the Altai mountains in Mongolia, whose coordinates are approximately 47 degrees north and 91 degrees east. It was first scientifically studied by Russians, who recorded it in 1898 and know it by the name Armanty. The Chinese, who dispute the Mongol claim of ownership of the stone, call it the Gobi or Xinjiang meteorite. However maps clearly show that the stone fell in Mongolian territory and that the Chinese falsified the coordinates they gave to support their claim.
I am not convinced the author is right in his conclusions, but going along with his exposition, he continues:
Identifying Roerich’s Stone after so long was a rewarding moment. However, although I was convinced I had uncovered an important fact which, if it had been known about, was certainly closely guarded, Roerich’s followers maintained their previous discretion and were entirely non-committal. Of course the possibility also existed that a piece of lost knowledge about the graal had been revealed, a topic that will be addressed later. The information I now had on the nature and origin of the Stone threw fresh light on aspects of Roerich’s work and travels, his mindset and his motivations. It cleared up much of the mythology which has accumulated around it, which some of his followers continue to take literally. Many of them know the giant meteorite ‘lying in Shambhala’ by the name ‘Chintamani’, and knowing this name is also used to refer to Roerich’s fragment, light could now be shed on a significant episode where this name was used.

Roerich’s mentor in his mission on behalf of the Shambhala idea was Agvan Dorjiev, whom he had met in St Petersburg by at least 1909. In a rare autobiographical anecdote, he related that it was during the construction of a Buddhist Temple in the then Russian capital and from Dorjiev himself that he first learnt about Shambhala and its future importance. Dorjiev was the prime mover in the Temple project, which was completed in 1913, and Roerich had worked on it as artistic advisor. I had in my notes an interesting piece of information given to me by a Russian friend, Layla Garrett, quoted from a letter from a researcher in St Petersburg, Constantin Ivanenko, to the effect that Dorjiev had concealed ‘a piece of the Chintamani crystal brought from Shambhala’ in the foundations of the Temple, presumably to have it function as a conduit of subtle energy to favour his Buddhistic endeavours. It was now possible to say that Dorjiev’s ‘piece of crystal’ was another fragment from the great meteorite in Mongolia, which was thus located at the very heart of the geographical focus of the dream for the earthly Shambhala. Undoubtedly through his participation in the Temple project, Roerich became fascinated by the Shambhala legend, and we can easily imagine that he also became acquainted with the lore about the revered sacred stone. He would in due course receive his own talisman, the Stone, in Paris in 1923, and would take it with him throughout his epic travels in Asia in the years 1923-28. Given that the meteorite fragments of Dorjiev and Roerich had a shared origin, and an identity of function as propitiatory talismans in relation to the Shambhala project, it would be natural to infer that Roerich obtained his fragment from Dorjiev or, as seems more likely, a member of his circle, although I have no absolute proof of this at present. The Buddhist Temple still exists and was restored to its original use in 1990.
An iron meteorite could be said to be a crystal, but this not the usual understanding, I think, which is why I wonder if there were in fact two stones. The author moves on:
It was only after Roerich had left Russia in 1917 during the Revolution, and had subsequently made his way to the United States and established his cultural and educational institutions in New York, that it became evident he was formulating an active role for himself in support of the aims of the Shambhala idea. In fact he was in a far better position to do this outside Russia than within, since he had freedom to travel and to raise funds from the Russian diaspora and sympathetic Americans. In large measure it was his way of staying in touch with his homeland and enabling him to pursue cultural purposes which for him represented ‘the ideal’. He also believed that he could return to Russia and negotiate an arrangement to live there and establish institutions similar to those in America, and to travel freely, but on his risky and clandestine visit to Moscow in 1925 this was quickly refused. He did however meet Dorjiev one more time, in Verkhneudinsk in the Buriat Republic in 1926, and worked with Zhamtsarano for six months in Ulan Bator in 1926-27.

Another piece of information I had in my notes was that in his scenic designs for Diaghilev’s ballet Le Sacre du Printemps, Roerich had substituted the prominent image of the tree in Act One with the image of a sacred stone. He had made the change at a late stage, shortly before the work’s premiere in 1913. By this time also the Temple project was close to completion. Roerich would by that time have been well acquainted with Dorjiev’s aspirations about the future Shambhala, and given that he knew about the fragment of the Silver Camel installed in the Temple, it seems probable that in addition to other information about it he had received an impression of its physical appearance. It seemed to me, in piecing together the story of the Stone, that the likelihood of Roerich’s change of mind being inspired by this knowledge was much better than plausible speculation – it was obvious that the motive for such a change of image lay in the artist’s sympathy for Dorjiev’s ideas. But as evidence for this, how closely did Roerich’s depiction of the sacred stone match that of the meteorite?

The renderings of the stone in Roerich’s designs do show a good similarity in size, form and characteristics with the rare photographs of the Silver Camel insitu, set in its shallow impact pit amidst a bleak mountain landscape, published in the Russian scientific journal Meteoritika in 1962. Roerich made several versions of the image in his designs for the ballet dated 1929, produced in 1930, and 1944, produced in 1948, and it seems they develop into a better likeness of the great meteorite, as if his knowledge of it improved. It is not impossible that originally he saw early photographs of it, although more likely he had formed his impression of it from Dorjiev, or from Zhamtsarano, who had written about it in a book and very likely had a field knowledge of it. It is noteworthy that in the 1930 production the stone became more vertical, and that in the 1944 designs he depicted it with reddish-brown hues, something which might be considered unrealistic were it not for the fact that it correctly represents the colour of the oxidised patina on the exposed surface of an iron meteorite. The images from Le Sacre are a further, visual confirmation that the identification of the parent meteorite of Roerich’s Stone is correct, since the image might easily have been at odds with the other evidence which has thus far created a coherent picture; in other words it is a corroborative cross-reference.

An unresolved question is whether Roerich visited the site of the main mass during his sojourn in Mongolia. It is known however that he returned from Mongolia in 1927 with a number of additional meteorite chips, and that some or all of these were given to certain of his co-workers. I suggest that one of these recipients, Sina Fosdick, made a coded disclosure that the sacred stone in Le Sacre did in fact represent the great meteorite, and that she did this through her selection of pictures for the Roerich Museum booklet published in 1974 to commemorate the centenary of the artist’s birth. Out of a total of 22 plates, no less than six are of the ballet, and designs for Act One both open and close the text.

In the light of its historical and scientific status, it is regrettable that the main mass of the Silver Camel now suffers the indignity of being located some 300 miles away from the site of its fall in Mongolia. In 1965 the Chinese authorities sent a detachment of forty men with a large tractor and a specially-built 24-wheel trailer to remove the great meteorite and transport it across the Gobi Desert to the city of Urumqi. The removal clearly appears to have been an illegal act, an inference based on the Chinese having given – and continuing to give – a false location for the fall site which places it 125 miles inside Chinese territory. The stone is now set on a plinth outside the Xinjiang Geology and Mineral Museum in the city.

The issue of the nature and origin of the stone of the graal in Parzival has attracted many theories, and Roerich’s implication of a connection with his Stone would have been yet another. I tried to develop a plausible idea to explain this, involving the possibility of the transmission of a fragment from the Silver Camel to Jerusalem around the time of the Second Crusade, at a point where it could have become an element in the graal story. However eventually I had to dissociate Roerich’s Stone from my understanding of the graal, since it did not fit in with a group of inter-related facts derived from original texts and contemporary historical events which were creating a coherent picture of it. The crucial factor in this was my acceptance of the origin of Wolfram’s term lapis exilis in a medieval version of the legend of Alexander the Great entitled Iter Alexandri ad Paradisum. If therefore Roerich had believed in a connection between the Silver Camel and the graal, I now think this is very unlikely to be correct. Nevertheless, in no sense does it diminish the value of a poetic or metaphorical association, and this may well have been what he had in mind.

This text was sent to London ballet critic Neil Norman, for whom it was originally written, on March 26, 2007. Minor amendments and corrections have been made.
In one of the above excerpts there was:
The Roerichs believed their Stone, having also this magnetic property, had a capacity to receive, amplify and transmit psychic energy – in their case to help channel spiritual teachings and to receive communications from the spiritual Brotherhood to guide their endeavours.
Regarding communications, both there is mention of a Morya. In the Wiki for Helena Blavatsky, one finds:
In 1851, she proceeded to Paris, where she encountered the mesmerist, Victor Michal, who impressed her.[57] From there, she visited England, and would claim that it was here that she met the "mysterious Indian" who had appeared in her childhood visions, a Hindu whom she referred to as the Master Morya. While she provided various conflicting accounts of how they met, locating it in both London and Ramsgate according to separate stories, she maintained that he claimed that he had a special mission for her, and that she must travel to Tibet.[58]
Did this Victor Michal also program Blavatsky? In general, analysis of the both Blavatsky and Roerich often overlook the people they associated with and the influences these may have had on what they later did. - The Wiki continues:
She claimed to have then received a message from Morya to travel to Constantinople, where he met her, and together they traveled overland to Tibet, going through Turkey, Persia, Afghanistan, and then into India, entering Tibet via Kashmir.[78] There, they allegedly stayed in the home of Morya's friend and colleague, Master Koot Hoomi, which was near to Tashilhunpo Monastery, Shigatse. According to Blavatsky, both Morya and Koot Hoomi were Kashmiris of Punjabi origin, and it was at his home that Koot Hoomi taught students of the Gelugpa sect of Tibetan Buddhism. Koot Hoomi was described as having spent time in London and Leipzig, being fluent in both English and French, and like Morya was a vegetarian.[79]
Agvan Dorjiev, mentioned earlier, was part of the same group as the alleged Koot Hoomi, the Gelugpa sect. When this group is in the context of Darkness of Tibet, is open for discussion.

In the Russian Wiki for Helena Roerich, substantially longer than the English, there is:
The source base of Agni Yoga (living ethics) is the same as the “secret doctrine” of Blavatsky, whose translator in Russian was Elena Roerich [15]. According to the creators of living ethics, Nikolai and Elena Roerichs, the doctrine arose in the process of communication between them and the “great teacher”, known in Theosophical circles under the name of Mahatma Moria [16]. This communication continued in 1920-1940 [17]. The question of the existence of a person who could be identified with the Roerich Mahatma Moria, to date, also remains controversial [18] [19]. From the diary entries of Elena Roerich it follows that at the first stages for communication, the so -called automatic letter was used [20] [21], further records were received by clarity [21] [22], which, according to her own statement, was possessed by Elena Roerich. Subsequently, she assured that she herself did not use an automatic letter for contacts with the great teacher [23]. The basis of the teachings of Agni Yoga is 14 books with texts described by Elena Roerich as a record of these conversations. The last of these books, “Overground”, was first published in 1990.
It is possible that a stone or some sort could help Elena Roerich to get connection. However, just because the name used by Blavatsky and Roerich is the same, does not mean it really covers the same reality or for that matter, that there was consistency in what was attributed to that name by the two mediums during the period they used it.

One also finds:
The Stone was also known to the Roerichs as the ‘Gift of Orion’
The Chintamani of the Roerichs: Tales of an extraterrestrial talisman: 14
March 1, 2012 – 10:43 pm
14 A quest in an unexpected direction As earlier mentioned, the Stone was also known to the Roerichs as the ‘Gift of Orion’. Given that they only disclosed information about it in cryptic form, it is highly significant to find a reference to this name in another context outside the Roerichs’ writings.
Given what we know of Orion, such a claim is at least remarkable, though we do not know how they understood it. The text continues:
Again it is Barchenko who is implicated, and it is information about his activities in this case which may elucidate our knowledge about the Gift of Orion. In 1926, an expedition Barchenko led to the Crimea in search of ancient culture is said to have had a secret aim, which was to seek ‘the stone from Orion’. Did he receive this name from Roerich, and if so, had he misunderstood in some way what Roerich had told him? How were different stones of the same name linked? Since the parent stone of the Roerichs’ Stone belonged in Central Asia, it could not at the same time have been located in the Crimea, and yet the name Barchenko used meant that there must be an association between the stones understood to be located at these two geographically separate sites. I would suggest that the unavoidable explanation must lie in the existence of an otherwise unknown – or certainly obscure – belief held by the Roerichs which must have concerned the disintegration of a hypothetical large meteorite in the ancient past whose fragments were widely scattered. This may also account for a number of anomalous passages about ‘the Stone’ in the Roerichs’ writings, and although each fragment could justifiably be called ‘a stone from Orion’, the Roerichs would nevertheless have regarded the Mongolian stone as the parent stone of their talisman, for the reasons already given, and that was why for them, this was specifically the ‘Gift of Orion’.
In Crimea, there used to be, and still are Tatars. If we go back to the map of the Mongols we find the name associated with an area in what is now eastern Mongolia. About the name itself, the Wiki has:
Initially, the ethnonym Tatar possibly referred to the Tatar confederation. That confederation was eventually incorporated into the Mongol Empire when Genghis Khan unified the various steppe tribes.[33] Historically, the term Tatars (or Tartars) was applied to anyone originating from the vast Northern and Central Asian landmass then known as Tartary, a term which was also conflated with the Mongol Empire itself. More recently, however, the term has come to refer more narrowly to related ethnic groups who refer to themselves as Tatars or who speak languages that are commonly referred to as Tatar.

The largest group amongst the Tatars by far are the Volga Tatars, native to the Volga-Ural region (Tatarstan and Bashkortostan) of European Russia, who for this reason are often also known as "Tatars" in Russian. They compose 53% of the population in Tatarstan. Their language is known as the Tatar language. As of 2010, there were an estimated 5.3 million ethnic Tatars in Russia.

While also speaking languages belonging to different Kipchak sub-groups, genetic studies have shown that the three main groups of Tatars (Volga, Crimean, Siberian) are apparently unrelated, and thus their formation occurred independently of one another. However, it is possible that all Tatar groups have at least partially the same origin, mainly from the times of the Golden Horde.[34][35]
Again a Persian connection?
Tatar became a name for populations of the former Golden Horde in Europe, such as those of the former Kazan, Crimean, Astrakhan, Qasim, and Siberian Khanates. The form Tartar has its origins in either Latin or French, coming to Western European languages from Turkish and the Persian (tātār, "mounted messenger"). From the beginning, the extra r was present in the Western forms and according to the Oxford English Dictionary this was most likely due to an association with Tartarus.[c][38]

The Persian word is first recorded in the 13th century in reference to the hordes of Genghis Khan and is of unknown origin; according to the Oxford English Dictionary it is "said to be" ultimately from tata. The Arabic word for Tatars is تتار. Tatars themselves wrote their name as تاتار or طاطار.

What I find admirable about the Roerichs is their productivity, and they were undoubtedly knowledgeable. Moreover, in contrast to Blavatsky, they created a successful family, but many questions remain unanswered and the topic of the stone, or is it stones, is just one of them.
 
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