The power of "butterfly wings"--Russian style

JGeropoulas

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Great inspiration about the power personal integrity can exert far beyond the individual level:
Slavoj Zizek: Should Donald Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize?

A similar act [worthy of a Nobel prize], much less known, was also committed in the Soviet Union in an even darker time. Sophia Karpai was the head of the cardiographic unit of the Kremlin Hospital in the late 1940s. Her (accidental) misfortune was that it was her job to take twice the electrocardiogram of Andrei Zhdanov, on July 25 1948 and on July 31, days before Zhdanov's death, due to heart failure.

The first ECG, taken after Zhdanov displayed some heart problems, was inconclusive (a heart attack could be neither confirmed nor excluded), while the second one surprisingly showed a much better picture (the intraventricular blockage disappeared, a clear indication that there was no heart attack).

In 1951, she was arrested on charges that alleged, in a conspiracy with other doctors treating Zhdanov, she falsified the data, erasing the clear indications that a heart attack did occur, thereby depriving Zhdanov of the special care needed by a victim of cardiac arrest. After harsh treatment, including a brutal beating, all the other accused doctors confessed. "Sophia Karpai, whom her boss doctor Vinogradov had described as nothing more than 'a typical person of the street with the morals of the petty bourgeoisie,' was kept in a refrigerated cell without sleep to compel a confession. However, she did not confess." (Jonathan Brent and Vladimir P. Naumov, Stalin's Last Crime, New York: HarperCollins 2003, p. 307)

And the impact and significance of her perseverance cannot be overestimated: her signature would have dotted the 'i' on the prosecutor's case on the "doctor's plot," immediately setting in motion the mechanism that, once rolling, would lead to the death of hundreds of thousands, maybe even to a new European war (according to Stalin's plan, the "doctor's plot" should have demonstrated that the Western intelligence agencies tried to murder the top Soviet leaders, and thus served as an excuse to attack Western Europe).

She persisted just long enough for Stalin to enter his final coma, after which the entire case was immediately dismissed. And her simple heroism was crucial in the series of details which, "like grains of sand in the gears of the huge machine that had been set in motion, prevented another catastrophe in Soviet society and politics generally, and saved the lives of thousands, if not millions, of innocent people." (Op.cit., p. 297)
 
And the impact and significance of her perseverance cannot be overestimated: her signature would have dotted the 'i' on the prosecutor's case on the "doctor's plot," immediately setting in motion the mechanism that, once rolling, would lead to the death of hundreds of thousands, maybe even to a new European war (according to Stalin's plan, the "doctor's plot" should have demonstrated that the Western intelligence agencies tried to murder the top Soviet leaders, and thus served as an excuse to attack Western Europe).
Я не знаю, что именно вы хотели проиллюстрировать этой статьей. Для меня это яркий образчик лжи и русофобии, процветающей в западном культурном и медиа пространстве. Предлагаю внимательно прочитать об авторе и задать себе вопрос: кому бы нужен был этот "профессор" там где он профессор, если бы он не писал подобных измышлений?
Ни в коем случае я не хочу представлять Сталина "белым и пушистым", однако охотно бы ознакомился со "Сталинским планом" про который нам авторитетно сообщает "профессор". На всякий случай дам пару ссылочек на реально существовавшие планы на эту тему как раз из тех мест где кормится этот "профессор".

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I don't know what you wanted to illustrate with this article. For me, this is a vivid example of lies and Russophobia, flourishing in the Western cultural and media space. I encourage you to read about the author, and ask yourself the question: who would need this "Professor" where he is a Professor, if he would not write such fabrications?
Slavoj Žižek is a cultural philosopher. He’s a senior researcher at the Institute for Sociology and Philosophy at the University of Ljubljana, Global Distinguished Professor of German at New York University, and international director of the Birkbeck Institute for the Humanities of the University of London.
In any case, I do not want to represent Stalin "white and fluffy", but would be willing to get acquainted with the "Stalin plan" about which we authoritative reports "Professor". In any case, give a few reference to the actual existing plans on this subject just one of those places where the "Professor" feeds .
Operation Unthinkable - Wikipedia
Operation Dropshot - Wikipedia
 
Well I can see how this could be some slick anti-Russian propaganda I suppose in that the inspiring part is against the back-drop of American stereo-typical views of "evil Russians". I guess I need information disputing that communist Russia did NOT operate as Americans have been lead to believe. Can you direct me to that kind of information? On the other hand, this article was published on "RT" so are you saying "RT" is actually an anti-Russian organization--kept in disguise by an entire drama of the U.S. Government harassing it and constricting its operation? This line of discussion is beginning to seem very Russian-like (at least according to Churchill): "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."
 
Здесь есть целый набор сложных, комплексных вопросов.
Самое простое это то что касается RT. Цитата с той самой страницы, на которую вы ссылаетесь.
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
Можно просто "снять шляпу" перед RT, потому что это конечно же пропаганда, но пропаганда более объективная, умная-если хотите, нежели западные СМИ.
Теперь вопросы более сложные. Вы пишете "злые русские", а известно ли вам что большинство первых руководителей октябрьского переворота 1917 года были евреи? Почему это было так? Почему большое количество еврейской молодежи деятельно поддержала разрушение "старого мира"? Одной из причин этого было социальное положение еврейства в дореволюционной Российской империи. Евреи были поражены в гражданских правах именно по национальному признаку, отсюда невозможность реализоваться в старой системе. Насколько Вам знакома личность Троцкого, кто он был в революции, какие идеи которые он продвигал? Он был один из организаторов революции и высшим военным руководителем начального периода СССР. Про идеи его вкратце можно написать то, что понятие «красный террор» было сформулировано именно Троцким в работе «Терроризм и коммунизм», как «орудие, применяемое против обречённого на гибель класса, который не хочет погибать». Так же если бы у Троцкого получилось реализовать политику "сверхиндустриализации", то то что мы увидели чуть позже в Китае при раннем Мао с миллионами жертв и то что происходило и происходит в Северной Корее с "трудовыми лагерями", могло оказаться детскими игрушками. Первые репрессии, организованные руководством компартии еще в конце 20х годов, как раз были связаны с отстранением от власти Троцкого. Все последующие волны репрессий, так или иначе, были связаны с борьбой за власть в партийном руководстве и притягивать сюда Запад, как это сделал "профессор", излишне.

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There is a whole set of complex issues.
The simplest is with regard to RT. A quote from the very page you link to.
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
You can simply "remove our hats" in front of the RT, because it is of course propaganda, but propaganda more objective, intelligent, if you like, rather than the Western media.
Now the questions are more complex. You write "evil Russians", and do you know that most of the first leaders of the October revolution of 1917 were Jews? Why was that? Why did a large number of Jewish youth actively support the destruction of the"old regime"? One of the reasons for this was the social position of Jewry in the pre-revolutionary Russian Empire. Jews were struck in civil rights precisely on the basis of nationality, hence the impossibility to be realized in the old system. How much do you know Trotsky's personality, who he was in the revolution, what ideas did he promote? He was one of the organizers of the revolution and the Supreme military leader of the early Soviet period. About his ideas in short it is possible to write that the concept "red terror" was formulated by Trotsky in the work "Terrorism and communism" as "the tool used against the doomed class, which does not want to die». Also, if Trotsky managed to implement a policy of" superindustrialization", what we saw a little later in China at the early Mao with millions of victims and what happened and is happening in North Korea with" labor camps " could be children's toys. The first repressions organized by the leadership of the Communist party in the late 20's, were just related to the removal from power Trotsky. All subsequent waves of repression, one way or another, were connected with the struggle for power in the party leadership and to attract the West here, as the "Professor" did, unnecessarily.
 
Важно меня правильно понять. Я ни в коем случае не являюсь антисемитом и не хочу свалить все беды революции только на какую то одну национальность-все виноваты и все пострадали. Просто феномен того времени заключается в резком увеличении количества евреев в системе управления государством и в силовых структурах в том числе. Отчасти это имеет рациональное объяснение, о чем я написал выше, но вот только ли этим объясняется этот эффект?

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It is important to understand me correctly. I am by no means an anti-Semite and I do not want to dump all the troubles of the revolution only on some one nationality-all to blame and all suffered. Just a phenomenon of that time is the sharp increase in the number of Jews in the system of government and law enforcement agencies including. The rational explanation for the effect, about what I have written above exists,in part, but whether this explains the effect as a whole?
 
Hi JGeropoulas,

If I understand correctly, you are asking to direct you to the information confirming that Stalin didn't not have such plans as Germany/the West had, i.e. he didn't plan to attack Germany/Europe? Well, I cannot say that I researched this subject thoroughly enough, but here is what I can offer, fwiw.

The opinion that Stalin had a plan to invade Germany (or Europe) is quite popular in the West. In Russia we also have researchers who have such opinion, e.g. Viktor Suvorov, the author of such books as The Ice-Breaker and The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II, yet most Russian researchers do not support such opinion and consider his work anti-scientific. His books are mostly popular in the West.

Also, here is an interview with the German historian Jörg Ganzenmüller (Head of the Department of Eastern European History at Jena University) to Deutsche Welle (it is in Russian, so you might wish to use a machine translation for it). In that interview, Ganzenmüller says that "Stalin did not plan to attack Germany; there are no documents that would confirm this."

Hope this helps.
 
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Уважаемый, Siberia, вынужден не согласиться с вами в одной оценке. Для меня такие люди как Суворов-Резун никак не наши, а перебежчики и предатели. И в связи с этим все что он написал смотрится через ту же самую призму что и творчество "профессора" Жижек.

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Dear, Siberia, I have to disagree with you in one estimate. For me people like Suvorov-Rezun does not ours, but deserters and traitors. In this regard, all what he wrote looks through the same prism as the work of "Professor" Zizеk.
Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia
 
Great inspiration about the power personal integrity can exert far beyond the individual level:
Slavoj Zizek: Should Donald Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize?

The title of the article is Should Donald Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize? Yet, you selectively highlight Sophia Karpai with the caption: "Great inspiration about the power personal integrity can exert far beyond the individual level", with no further commentary or opinion, on the rest of the article? Like Youlik expressed, I have the same question: "I don't know what you wanted to illustrate with this article. For me, this is a vivid example of lies and Russophobia, flourishing in the Western cultural and media space."

When questioned on your motives, you sidestep the question, by resorting "to questioning RT's integrity and motives for publishing the article": "On the other hand, this article was published on "RT" so are you saying "RT" is actually an anti-Russian organization--kept in disguise by an entire drama of the U.S. Government harassing it and constricting its operation?" ... a reflection, on your part.

In my opinion, you chose a weak platform, by dragging RT into the narrative and directly questioning Youlik with "so are you saying"
when Youlik suggested, to be exact - encouraged "you to read about the author, and ask yourself the question: who would need this "Professor" where he is a Professor, if he would not write such fabrications?"

For one, RT is one of the few news organizations, who try to remain "neutral and informative" by presenting opinions from both sides and offering "a legal disclaimer" at the end, denoting "opinions expressed reflect the author" and do not represent RT.

As for the author of the article, Slavoj Zizek, he is a liberal radical leftish democrat, who has been in and out of Politics.
See here: Slavoj Žižek biography, Life, Political life
And here: Slavoj Žižek, Academic life, Public life

BTW, a Hat-tip to you, Youlik ;-)for being knowledgeable and well versed in Soviet and Russian History! We have a lot to learn from the Russians. At this moment in history, the Russians are at the forefront - of offering "Peace and Stability to the World" - if we would only stop our aggression long enough, to listen and hear what they are offering, in a Diplomatic compromise for Peace.

Looking at the article, as a whole, there might be some subtle hints, as to why RT chose to publish the article? I generally look at an article like this - as being subliminal or suggestive of something on a deeper level.

In reference to the Doctor's plot in the article, "Sophia Karpai was the head of the cardiographic unit of the Kremlin Hospital in the late 1940s. Her (accidental) misfortune was that it was her job to take twice the electrocardiogram of Andrei Zhdanov, days before Zhdanov's death, due to heart failure. The first ECG, taken after Zhdanov displayed some heart problems, was inconclusive (a heart attack could be neither confirmed nor excluded), while the second one surprisingly showed a much better picture (intraventricular blockage disappeared, a clear indication that there was no heart attack)." Karpai was blamed and arrest for Zhdanov's death, claiming she falsified the data. Many of the doctor's were also arrested and eventually, under brutal conditions (falsely) confessed but Karpai stayed steadfast with the truth.

In reference to Close shave in the article, it describes a situation during the Cuban missile crisis and "a naval skirmish between an American destroyer and a Soviet B-59 submarine off Cuba on October 27, 1962. The destroyer dropped depth charges near the submarine to try to force it to surface, not knowing it had a nuclear-tipped torpedo. The submarine was authorized to fire if three officers agreed. The officers began a fierce shouting debate over whether to sink the ship. Two of them said Yes and the other said No." "A guy by the name Arkhipov said NO.

In both references above, a new Cold War was averted. In Arkhipov case, a cooler head prevailed - over repulsive reaction to hit back. In Karpai's situation, not submitting to false testimony (and signing on the dotted line) nullified a conspiracy plot - to bring the Soviet Union into another Cold War.

I'm not entirely sure, what Slavoj Zizek is trying to suggest with his narrative of President Trump and getting the Nobel Peace Prize, other than to suggest - Trump is in a position and at the threshold of bringing about a New Cold War? The exact same thing - Russia has been warning about and "advising" against - as far back as 2014:

Tue 18 Nov 2014 - Putin says West is Provoking Russia into New Cold War as "spies" Deported
Putin says west is provoking Russia into new cold war as ‘spies’ deported

Russian President denies fanning tensions and says NATO expansion in Europe has been ‘geopolitical game changer’.

Vladimir Putin has suggested to a German interviewer that the west is provoking Russia into a new cold war. The airing of the interview, which was recorded by the German channel ARD in Vladivostok last week, followed Russia’s tit-for-tat expulsions of German and Polish diplomats, as well as the deportation of a Latvian accused of spying.

Asked whether the accusatory rhetoric between Moscow and Washington and a noticeable increase in Russian displays of military strength near western countries points to a new cold war, Putin said two rounds of NATO expansion in central and eastern Europe had been “significant geopolitical game changers” that forced Russia to respond.


20 February 2015 - The new Cold War: Putin issues chilling new threat as Nato chief says tensions with Russia could end in 'all out conflict'
The new Cold War: Vladimir Putin issues new threat | Daily Mail Online

Military chiefs have warned that Britain has entered a new Cold War with Russia, as Vladimir Putin threatened anyone who tried to pressure his country.


December 22, 2017 - Trump, Putin and the New Cold War
Trump, Putin and the New Cold War

When President Donald Trump met Angela Merkel last March for the first time, the German chancellor had Russia on her mind. Allegations about the Russian intervention on Trump’s behalf in the U.S. presidential election were swirling around Washington—and Trump had done nothing to allay the concerns of Russia’s neighbors that he planned to forge ahead with a new opening to Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin strongman he has so openly admired. He had never really backed away from his public bashing of NATO, either. The American security pact with Europe had survived for seven decades, since its creation in the aftermath of World War II as a counterbalance to the Soviet Union. But Merkel and many others now wondered if NATO could outlast the twin assaults of a Russian leader who had long viewed it as enemy No. 1 and an American president who publicly branded it as “obsolete.”

So Merkel came prepared. Briefed on Trump’s short attention span and his preference for visual aids over long written memos, she brought a handout to her Oval Office meeting: a map of the Soviet Union from 1982, with an overlay showing all the countries within those borders where Putin’s Russia is active today. “Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and Ukraine—he is either trying to get those countries back into his realm or, if he’s not able to, he at least makes sure those countries are totally unattractive to the West,” said an official familiar with the German presentation. Those states, of course, were all part of the Soviet Union until its abrupt collapse in 1991—a seismic event that Putin has called “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century.”


April 28, 2018 - Diplomat warns NATO's 'Cold War' policy towards Moscow threatens European security
Diplomat warns NATO's 'Cold War' policy towards Moscow threatens European security

NATO is acting towards Russia based on the Cold War schemes, but Moscow will find a response to these risks and ensure its security, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said in an exclusive interview with TASS.

Touching on NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg’s statement that Russian-NATO relations are neither the Cold War nor partnership, the high-ranking diplomat said: "The point is that in its relations with Russia NATO starts relying on the Cold War schemes and attempts to project force towards Russia, advances military infrastructure and deploys additional contingents close to our borders."

The diplomat warned that this seriously worsens regional and European security and creates additional risks for Russia. "NATO cannot but understand that we will find answers to these risks so that in any turn of events our legal interests [primarily the country’s defensive capacity] are effectively protected," Grushko, Russia’s former envoy to the alliance, stressed.

"We have all the necessary military and technical potential to do this convincingly and effectively, and to show NATO countries that their steps on the eastern flank are a waste of time and efforts," Grushko noted. "This does not enhance security of those countries which participate in this, but only creates an extra threat for them."

"If NATO is seriously interested in de-escalation and creating new tools for preventing a dangerous military activity, and also to avoid a misperception of what is happening and each other’s intentions, in the first place NATO should call for restoring normal military contacts, which should be systemic," the high-ranking diplomat and former Russian envoy to the alliance stressed.

Russia is not appointing its envoy to NATO as a result of the policy carried out by the alliance towards Moscow, he added.

"This is also the result of policy which NATO has conducted towards Russia," the diplomat said.

Grushko served as Russia’s Permanent Representative to NATO from October 2012 until January 2018. After his appointment as the deputy foreign minister the post of the Russian envoy to NATO has been vacant.

"It sounds rather paradoxical when, on the one hand, NATO declares Russian diplomatic staff reduction and simultaneously voices the wish to hold a new session of the Russia - NATO Council," the deputy foreign minister affirmed. "So, in this case NATO is just sawing off the branch it is sitting on." Grushko said that tools are needed to conduct dialogue, "and Russia’s permanent mission to NATO is the very tool to secure this dialogue."

He noted that Russian diplomats’ expulsion negatively affected the operation of Russian foreign missions. "A diplomatic profession is chiefly about communication," the diplomat continued. "It is they [diplomats] who should keep uninterrupted contact between foreign ministries and work with the parliament and public opinion. Cutting these ties is beneficial for those who want to live in an imaginary personally designed world."

"Without diplomats and constant political dialogue it would be very hard to both build real politics towards each other and strive for the harmonization of interests and implementation of common European projects," Grushko said.

NATO ministers of foreign affairs confirmed preparations for a Russia - NATO Council session and the intention to continue the Alliance’s dual-track policy on Russia - "deterrence and dialogue" - after a meeting in Brussels on Friday.


May 5, 2018 - US-Russia tensions strengthen: All NATO forces go out into the Atlantic
US-Russia tensions strengthen: All NATO forces go out into the Atlantic - Fort Russ

“The return of large-scale rivalry and resurgent Russia requires NATO to focus again on the Atlantic to ensure specific support and demonstrate a strong and credible deterrent effect,” said a Pentagon spokesman. NATO’s new command will be the axis of cross-Atlantic security, he added, according to Guardian.

This decision reflects the growing concern within Europe and NATO about Russia’s increased military presence and patrols in the Atlantic. Under the new plan, the US will establish the headquarters of NATO’s new administration in Norfolk, Virginia.

The outline of this plan was adopted at the NATO Defense Ministers’ meeting last February, as part of a wider effort on maritime safety and on the communication lines between Europe and North America. “We have seen a much more decisive Russia, a Russia that has for years invested heavily in its defense capabilities, modernizing them, not only with conventional but also with nuclear powers” NATO, Yves Stoltenberg.

At the same time, he pointed out that the new Atlantic administration would be critical, so that the Alliance could give an “answer”.

At the same time, the US Navy returns the Second Fleet, merged in 2011, to cut costs. It will oversee the forces – ships and aircrafts – on the east coast and the northern Atlantic and will be responsible for maritime operations in the region.

The resumption of the Second Fleet suggested a study that had been made after two US Navy shipwrecks, with over 17 dead, the previous year.

Translated from Crash Magazine Online
 
Дружище, angelburst29, спасибо на добром слове!

In both references above, a new Cold War was averted. In Arkhipov case, a cooler head prevailed - over repulsive reaction to hit back. In Karpai's situation, not submitting to false testimony (and signing on the dotted line) nullified a conspiracy plot - to bring the Soviet Union into another Cold War.
Хотелось бы внести уточнение. По крайней мере в одном из этих случаев должна идти речь не о "холодной", а о самой настоящей, "горячей" ядерной войне. Кстати, хороший повод вспомнить еще одного героя, который не дал разразиться ядерной войне в 1983 году. Станислав Петров.
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia

Looking at the article, as a whole, there might be some subtle hints, as to why RT chose to publish the article? I generally look at an article like this - as being subliminal or suggestive of something on a deeper level.
Я тоже стараюсь так делать, но признаться не всегда мне хватает мозгов чтоб отыскать что то путное.

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Buddy, angelburst29, thank you for your kind words!

in both references above, a new Cold War was averted. In Arkhipov case, a cooler head prevailed - over repulsive reaction to hit back. In Karpai's situation, not submitting to false testimony (and signing on the dotted line) nullified a conspiracy plot - to bring the Soviet Union into another Cold War.
I would like to make a clarification. In at least one of these cases, it should not be a "cold war", but a real, "hot" nuclear war. By the way, a good reason to remember another hero who did not allow a nuclear war to erupt in 1983. Stanislav Petrov.
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia

Looking at the article, as a whole, there might be some subtle hints, as to why RT nose to publish the article? I generally look at an article like this - as being subordinate or suggestion of something on a deeper level.
I also try to do this, but admit to not always I have enough brains to find something worthwhile.
 
Дружище, angelburst29, спасибо на добром слове!


Хотелось бы внести уточнение. По крайней мере в одном из этих случаев должна идти речь не о "холодной", а о самой настоящей, "горячей" ядерной войне. Кстати, хороший повод вспомнить еще одного героя, который не дал разразиться ядерной войне в 1983 году. Станислав Петров.
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia


Я тоже стараюсь так делать, но признаться не всегда мне хватает мозгов чтоб отыскать что то путное.




I would like to make a clarification. In at least one of these cases, it should not be a "cold war", but a real, "hot" nuclear war. By the way, a good reason to remember another hero who did not allow a nuclear war to erupt in 1983. Stanislav Petrov.
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia


I also try to do this, but admit to not always I have enough brains to find something worthwhile.

The World almost came close to a Nuclear War on September 26, 1983 but a decision made by a level headed Soviet Lieutenant Colonel, by the name of Stanislav Petrov averted a catastrophe.

'I was just doing my job': Soviet officer who averted nuclear war dies at age 77 17 Sep, 2017
'I was just doing my job': Soviet officer who averted nuclear war dies at age 77
 
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