Quinton Plasma/Water, or "percutaneous hydrotomy"

Worldbridger, can you just go to a blood blank once in a while? You don't need any doctor for that, and it's free. You just donate blood. It's usually about 500ml, and it depends on each person, but I seem to remember that for each donation, ferritin goes down by about 40-60.
Hi Chu, yes you could, but not with the meds I'm on at the moment, I asked. That is one other reason for me trying to replace those drugs with local anaesthetic and Quinton and sterile water and etc….Or maybe I'll just buy that phlebotomy kit someone mentioned since I'm in the "needle business" now, sort of.
 
If you are unable to get a doctor's order for phlebotomy, and decide to "do it yourself", do be careful, worldbridger!

If you have a friend or family member who is a nurse, maybe they can help? Or at the least, don't try it home alone! Have someone there if something goes awry!!

Also, Vitamin C promotes iron absorption, so do not mix foods high in iron with those high in Vit C. That includes supplements.

If you cook in cast iron, I would stop that as well. My first blood donation lowered ferritin 75 points. So it's a pretty decent drop. Also, I would allow at least 60-75 days recovery in between phlebotomy. A study I read said women require even longer recovery, almost 90 days. So take care and don't over do it.
 
If you are unable to get a doctor's order for phlebotomy, and decide to "do it yourself", do be careful, worldbridger!

If you have a friend or family member who is a nurse, maybe they can help? Or at the least, don't try it home alone! Have someone there if something goes awry!!

Also, Vitamin C promotes iron absorption, so do not mix foods high in iron with those high in Vit C. That includes supplements.

If you cook in cast iron, I would stop that as well. My first blood donation lowered ferritin 75 points. So it's a pretty decent drop. Also, I would allow at least 60-75 days recovery in between phlebotomy. A study I read said women require even longer recovery, almost 90 days. So take care and don't over do it.
Thanks Lilou. Yes, I'm aware of this and done the things you mentioned. I haven't decided yet, we'll see. When donated blood before they all mentioned how easy it is to do stick me, my veins are very visible, and I know which one to use. But I will problably contact a friend of mine who is a nurse, actually I have many.
 
Here is an update about the Quinton therapy I've been following for a bit more than 3 months. So far, I've had 7 weekly sessions focused on the neck, left shoulder, right shoulder, lower back and center back.

I didn't post results earlier because I wanted to share sustainable data gathered along a long enough timeline, not mere bleeps on the radar.

From what I've seen people react very differently depending on their own physiology and the type of ailment they want to treat. In my case, the priority was to treat a herniated disk (c5-c6) caused by a rugby injury almost 30 years ago.

This hernia was pressing on a nerve that was inflaming a neck area which was, in turn, constricting blood vessels reaching the brain. It resulted in headaches which kept growing in intensity and frequency over the years.

Right before starting the Quinton protocol, I was having headaches almost permanently, only alleviated for about 24 hours by Naproxen. I had tried many therapies like cold water, infrared, massage, stretching, acupuncture, cupping, etc. None of those approaches really worked.

With the repeated failures of new therapies and the growing headaches, I was losing hope and trying to accept that I would live the rest of my life in "zombie mode" avoiding efforts, Sun, noise, light and stress.

During the first sessions, the headaches got worse, I fainted a few time, I got a permanent trembling, my sleep got messed up. Pain and fatigue increased too. It was not promising at all but I didn't have much to lose, so I persevered.

Then, around session #4 things started to shift. I remember having as usual a headache but after a few hours it disappeared by itself without me having to take Naproxen.

The following days, headaches decreased both in terms of frequency and intensity. Since the end of June, that is 2 months ago, I've not experienced one single headache!

In the beginning I didn't believe it, so I conducted some tests. I started to make more physical efforts and also to spend more time in the Sun. Everything was fine. So I tried the worst combination: efforts in the Sun. I went cycling on a 88F (30C) day. In the past such activity would have definitely triggered a nasty headache. Not this time. Then I went cycling faster over 20km (14mi) on a hotter day (95F - 35C), again no headache.

2 months after my last headache I can work decently, think straight, read, do sports. Simply put, I live again. Maybe more important, I'm starting to live without the permanent fear of when will the next headache strike.

Next week I'll go for session #8. There's still some work: shoulders and back pain. Meanwhile, I'm trying to improve my sleep quality and go back in shape after months of inactivity that have led to dizziness, short breath and heart palpitations.

But, all in all, for me the Quinton therapy has been truly miraculous. It's all the more amazing that it happened when I expected it the least.

Now, I understand better why there were tens of thousands of people attending René Quinton's funerals. I also understand why in an health sector controlled by pharmaceutical companies the Quinton therapy has lost its popularity.
 
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I had nerve conduction tests and it was pretty bad in the legs; worse in the left leg than the right. It was pretty clear that there was insulin RESISTANCE and thus, hyperinsulinism, and the assumption was that this was part of the cause. The other theory was low back injury. As it turns out, both were more or less correct, but there is actually more.

After doing the DNA tests and getting the results back and learning that I am a carrier of a gene mutation that is involved with folding proteins, it seems that this could play a root cause role in part of the issue. The proteins in question are involved in the manufacturing of hormones. I also am very Vit D deficient and Vit D is a hormone like substance. I have low thyroid and insulin problems, both hormones. So, even if I don't have a specific condition due to my mutation interacting with any other mutation, it could be responsible for less efficient hormone manufacture, thus partly responsible for the insulin problems which lead to neuropathy.

The second big revelation after having an MRI done here, subsequent to the stem cell treatment, is the prolapsed disc between L5 and S1, very low back. Since it is squashed more to the left than the right, that would explain the neuropathy being more on that side than on the right. In other words, the neuropathy appears to be both chemical and mechanical.

Now, as to whether the gene defect has a more general effect on the nervous system, I don't know for sure, but studies of people who have it along with other "activating" defects tend to suggest that it can affect the whole show. I have a very high tolerance for pain. I've had doctors amazed that I have been able to continue to function with some of the injuries I have suffered. But that's not neuropathy, it's just a manifestation of the general nervous system.

One thing I should mention is that the gene mutation is supposed to have originated in Denmark/Southern Sweden though it has spread to areas where Vikings migrated. Being a carrier means you don't have anything full-blown, but the truth is, it is so rare they don't really know what carrier status implies. It's called PMM2-CDG1 on chromosome 16.

The specific Vitamin B combo I am taking has really helped: Metanx. Metanx - Wikipedia
The Victoza helped to get the insulin under control and I now only take a very small dose daily.
Thyroid medication: Armour whole thyroid, 60 mg once a day along with a drop or two of iodine.
I take about 2.5 grams of Vit. C daily (away from the iodine).
Magnesium, Potassium at bedtime.
A giant dose of Vit D once every two weeks.
Autohemotherapy about once a week.

And that seems to be what really helps. I've stripped down my supplements a lot. I don't take Vit E anymore after learning that I don't process it thanks to my genes; in fact, it causes me inflammation. That was a big discovery and once I stopped taking it, a lot of things got better.

I also got really strict about not eating eggs or having any dairy, cutting out chicken, and basically, everything that I tested sensitive to. Every day I improve a bit and I'm almost back in fighting shape. Just a little bit more to go with fixing this back problem via Quinton and I should be right as rain.
I get the impression that you REALLY are getting, not just better, but actually coming to a state of genuine vigour and health, is that correct? Not just better than before when it was really miserable, but actually, you know, in good health. If so, that IS amazing, considering how long you've had your problems and the severity.
If possible, what would you say was the game changer, maybe there are a few, but just subjectively, when did you feel: "now that really made a difference"? (The Vit E thing was a big surprise for me, never heard of it.)

Seeing this specialist tomorrow, hopefully he will help me to set a correct and detailed diagnosis, or refer me to do some specific tests in order to asses what kind of neuropathy I have, the extent of the damaged done in my body and maybe even the cause of it. 25 % of people with neuropathy is idiopathic though.
 
Here is an update about the Quinton therapy I've been following for a bit more than 3 months. So far, I've had 7 weekly sessions focused on the neck, left shoulder, right shoulder, lower back and center back.

I didn't post results earlier because I wanted to share sustainable data gathered along a long enough timeline, not mere bleeps on the radar.

From what I've seen people react very differently depending on their own physiology and the type of ailment they want to treat. In my case, the priority was to treat a herniated disk (c5-c6) caused by a rugby injury almost 30 years ago.

This hernia was pressing on a nerve that was inflaming a neck area which was, in turn, constricting blood vessels reaching the brain. It resulted in headaches which kept growing in intensity and frequency over the years.

Right before starting the Quinton protocol, I was having headaches almost permanently, only alleviated for about 24 hours by Naproxen. I had tried many therapies like cold water, infrared, massage, stretching, acupuncture, cupping, etc. None of those approaches really worked.

With the repeated failures of new therapies and the growing headaches, I was losing hope and trying to accept that I would live the rest of my life in "zombie mode" avoiding efforts, Sun, noise, light and stress.

During the first sessions, the headaches got worse, I fainted a few time, I got a permanent trembling, my sleep got messed up. Pain and fatigue increased too. It was not promising at all but I didn't have much to lose, so I persevered.

Then, around session #4 things started to shift. I remember having as usual a headache but after a few hours it disappeared by itself without me having to take Naproxen.

The following days, headaches decreased both in terms of frequency and intensity. Since the end of June, that is 2 months ago, I've not experienced one single headache!

In the beginning I didn't believe it, so I conducted some tests. I started to make more physical efforts and also to spend more time in the Sun. Everything was fine. So I tried the worst combination: efforts in the Sun. I went cycling on a 88F (30C) day. In the past such activity would have definitely triggered a nasty headache. Not this time. Then I went cycling faster over 20km (14mi) on a hotter day (95F - 35C), again no headache.

2 months after my last headache I can work decently, think straight, read, do sports. Simply put, I live again. Maybe more important, I'm starting to live without the permanent fear of when will the next headache strike.

Next week I'll go for session #8. There's still some work: shoulders and back pain. Meanwhile, I'm trying to improve my sleep quality and go back in shape after months of inactivity that have led to dizziness, short breath and heart palpitations.

But, all in all, for me the Quinton therapy has been truly miraculous. It's all the more amazing that it happened when I expected it the least.

Now, I understand better why there were tens of thousands of people attending René Quinton's funerals. I also understand why in an health sector controlled by pharmaceutical companies the Quinton therapy has lost its popularity.

Hi Pierre, that is so good to hear, I'm really glad for you, and envious. :) When I win the lottery I will do the sessions too, meanwhile I'll take it orally.
 
But, all in all, for me the Quinton therapy has been truly miraculous. It's all the more amazing that it happened when I expected it the least.
Wow! That is miraculous! Thank you for sharing this, Pierre, and, hopefully, you'll have the same kind of miraculous healing with your back. Even if you don't, your headaches being gone is truly spectacular!
 
I get the impression that you REALLY are getting, not just better, but actually coming to a state of genuine vigour and health, is that correct? Not just better than before when it was really miserable, but actually, you know, in good health. If so, that IS amazing, considering how long you've had your problems and the severity.
If possible, what would you say was the game changer, maybe there are a few, but just subjectively, when did you feel: "now that really made a difference"? (The Vit E thing was a big surprise for me, never heard of it.)

I was so exhausted after stem cell therapy I couldn't say that it was then. I actually think that the stem cell business might have been hampered by the genetic mutation thing. I realized I had to get some energy to help stem cells, to activate them, so that was the infrabed. That made a definite improvement and I could feel it. Along the same time, I started taking the Metanx and I think that made a significant difference. Also, taking pentoxyfillene... great stuff for circulation. How can anything heal if you don't have circulation?

Then, the autohemotherapy. After a month of that, I felt a definite improvement and I think it was very supplemental to the stem cell therapy, though I think that autohemotherapy is also pretty much like stem cell therapy. So, that was the next big step. And from there, after a couple of months, I was able to give up the canes and now walk pretty normally. I'm still a tad unstable and have to take care, and minimize stairs, but overall, pretty normal. And as long as I get good sleep, minimal pain in legs.

I think the neuro-training has been a big thing, too, because as long as a person is stressed about things, ruminating, worrying, grieving, feeling guilt, pain, loss, nothing is gonna work. So, that was next.

And now, Quinton which is taking me to the next level, I think. Geeze, if my back problem heals, I'll be better than I've been in 40 years!!

One other thing that I plan to try is actovegin. Actovegin - Wikipedia
Actovegin injection amp 200mg/5ml #5
 
2 months after my last headache I can work decently, think straight, read, do sports. Simply put, I live again. Maybe more important, I'm starting to live without the permanent fear of when will the next headache strike.

That makes me so happy to hear Pierre. I imagine it's hard to put into words the improvement in quality of life from the Quinton water. Headaches are incredibly draining, and I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have to experience everyday life with that constant pain in your head. Both your and Laura's testimonials are exhibit A for the benefits of Quinton therapy. I'm glad you both have found relief :hug2:
 
Wow, Pierre! I didn't know you were suffering everyday with headaches! How debilitating. Thank god you have found relief!! I'm sure you feel like a new man. I'm so happy for you. :headbanger:

And Laura, I admire your tenacity and fearlessness! You've been through so much. I hope after all this, you are pain free and dancing a jigg! :dance:
 
I am so glad to hear about y'alls recovery, Pierre and Laura and that you've found relief.
All of the amazing work you've all done under such debilitating conditions is quite inspiring. :hug:
 
I am so glad to hear about y'alls recovery, Pierre and Laura and that you've found relief.
All of the amazing work you've all done under such debilitating conditions is quite inspiring. :hug:

Really, it's so great to hear about the huge amount of pain relief you guys are reporting. So glad you can function so much better with daily activities.
 
After hearing Laura and Pierre's testimonies last night I have decided to visit the practitioner that they used. Hopefully she can address achalasia, a condition I have suffered since 1990, following a TDAP vaccination. The only medical option was a Heller myotomy, which has a dodgy success rate with persons my age, and a 6 month recovery period with the likely possibility of having to repeat the surgery again in 3 or 4 years. It is a medieval procedure that addresses a neurological issue with a mechanical treatment. After the second surgical failure the third option is to replace the esophagus with a section of intestine. Merci, non. I have learned to live with the limitations of the symptoms.

I began taking the Quinton water orally one month ago. For the past 9 months I have had a chronic left shoulder/neck pain that the chiropractor could not address. The ability to look over my left shoulder or lift with my left arm didn't exist. After about 5 days of the oral Quinton Isotonic water I realized that the shoulder/neck pain was almost totally gone and shoulder and neck mobility had returned to near normal. That certainly alleviated much of my skepticism.

If the Quinton subcutaneous therapy can mitigate the achalasia symptoms I will consider it a miracle, as the condition has changed my lifestyle over the past 20 years to a near solitary existence. I remain guardedly hopeful and will share results.
 
Such amazing testimonies from you both Laura and Pierre.
Pierre you are an inspiration, I didn't realise how much pain and despair you had to go through. This is the best news ever!
And Laura, it is nothing short of a miracle what you have achieved through sheer determination and resoluteness.
I am elated for you both!
 
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