Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine
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angelburst29
The Living Force
I do not think this hinders the on-going investigation, in any way but I was surprised to learn that the Dutch were without a government in the last 83 days?
After 83 Days Without a Government, Dutch Coalition Talks Restart... Again
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201706061054357338-dutch-coalition-talks-recommence/
Formal talks on forming a new coalition are set to resume June 6, with the leaders of GroenLinks and Christian Union (ChristenUnie) scheduled to meet and discuss which will be supporting the primary parliamentary bloc of People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), Democrats 66 (D66) and the Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).
After 83 Days Without a Government, Dutch Coalition Talks Restart... Again
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201706061054357338-dutch-coalition-talks-recommence/
Formal talks on forming a new coalition are set to resume June 6, with the leaders of GroenLinks and Christian Union (ChristenUnie) scheduled to meet and discuss which will be supporting the primary parliamentary bloc of People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), Democrats 66 (D66) and the Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).
Palinurus
The Living Force
angelburst29 said:
Since the disbanding of parliament just before the elections, the sitting government received 'care-taker' status and is running only current and ongoing affairs, without the authority to initiate any new policy or budget except provisional ones.
Since the end of World War II (i.e. 1946-2012) the average provisional government period after election day was 87,6 days. The shortest formation duration was 31 days (1948) and the longest took 208 days (1977).
See the table here (in Dutch).
angelburst29
The Living Force
Thanks Palinurus for taking the time to explain the situation and giving additional information. Thanks to you - I just learned something about "provisional government" which I wasn't aware of?
Palinurus
The Living Force
At last, after almost three years !
Source: http://nltimes.nl/2017/06/08/mh17-survivors-view-schiphol-security-cams-killed-flight-last-known-images
Similar: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/06/mh17-relatives-to-have-access-to-last-photos-of-their-loved-ones/
Source: http://nltimes.nl/2017/06/08/mh17-survivors-view-schiphol-security-cams-killed-flight-last-known-images
Similar: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/06/mh17-relatives-to-have-access-to-last-photos-of-their-loved-ones/
angelburst29
The Living Force
Back and forth discussion between the Dutch and Russian officials on radars picking up a missile with the Utes-T air route radar complex.
Russian radars could not "miss" a missile approaching the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 that crashed in Ukraine in 2014, the deputy chief of Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsia) told Sputnik on Tuesday, denying claims of Dutch investigators.
Russian Radars Could Not 'Miss' Missile Approaching MH17 Flight in Donbass
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201706271055014666-russia-radars-mh17-ukraine/
Earlier, the Dutch governmental website published answers of Stef Blok, the country's minister of security and justice, who answered questions of a parliamentary commission about the MH17 crash. The lawmakers asked the minister why the information from Russia's radar stations did not show a missile that had allegedly downed the plane. The official answered that such objects as missiles could be missed by radars.
"It is inappropriate to say that a radar station could miss the missile," Oleg Storchevoy said.
The official added that according to black boxes data the catastrophe took place at 13:20:03 GMT, however the Utes-T air route radar complex had registered the aircraft at 13:20:01.87, a second and a half before the crash.
According to Storchevoy, the Utes-T should have registered the alleged missile before the crash due to the capabilities of the radar.
The official added that the Utes-T can register objects smaller than a missile launched from a Buk missile system, but nothing had been registered near the route of the MH17, which means that nothing had approached the plane from the eastern side, contrary to Dutch investigators' allegations.
Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 crashed in eastern Ukraine in July 2014 while flying to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam. All 298 passengers and crew aboard the aircraft died in the incident.
The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) tasked with probing the crash announced in September that the MH17 airliner was allegedly downed by a Buk missile system, which was brought from Russia and after the crash returned there. However, Russia's Almaz-Antey concern rejected findings in the probe, saying that three simulations showed that the missile was launched from the Zaroshchens'ke area, controlled by Ukraine's army at the time of the downing.
Russian radars could not "miss" a missile approaching the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 that crashed in Ukraine in 2014, the deputy chief of Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsia) told Sputnik on Tuesday, denying claims of Dutch investigators.
Russian Radars Could Not 'Miss' Missile Approaching MH17 Flight in Donbass
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201706271055014666-russia-radars-mh17-ukraine/
Earlier, the Dutch governmental website published answers of Stef Blok, the country's minister of security and justice, who answered questions of a parliamentary commission about the MH17 crash. The lawmakers asked the minister why the information from Russia's radar stations did not show a missile that had allegedly downed the plane. The official answered that such objects as missiles could be missed by radars.
"It is inappropriate to say that a radar station could miss the missile," Oleg Storchevoy said.
The official added that according to black boxes data the catastrophe took place at 13:20:03 GMT, however the Utes-T air route radar complex had registered the aircraft at 13:20:01.87, a second and a half before the crash.
According to Storchevoy, the Utes-T should have registered the alleged missile before the crash due to the capabilities of the radar.
The official added that the Utes-T can register objects smaller than a missile launched from a Buk missile system, but nothing had been registered near the route of the MH17, which means that nothing had approached the plane from the eastern side, contrary to Dutch investigators' allegations.
Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 crashed in eastern Ukraine in July 2014 while flying to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam. All 298 passengers and crew aboard the aircraft died in the incident.
The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) tasked with probing the crash announced in September that the MH17 airliner was allegedly downed by a Buk missile system, which was brought from Russia and after the crash returned there. However, Russia's Almaz-Antey concern rejected findings in the probe, saying that three simulations showed that the missile was launched from the Zaroshchens'ke area, controlled by Ukraine's army at the time of the downing.
Palinurus
The Living Force
Thanks angelburst29 for catching this report about these radar capabilities discussions. 
Meanwhile: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/06/mh17-investigators-appeal-for-witnesses-with-emotional-videos/
Similar story here: http://nltimes.nl/2017/06/28/relatives-call-mh17-witnesses-videos-spread-ukraine
Meanwhile: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/06/mh17-investigators-appeal-for-witnesses-with-emotional-videos/
Similar story here: http://nltimes.nl/2017/06/28/relatives-call-mh17-witnesses-videos-spread-ukraine
angelburst29
The Living Force
I rarely post an article by Pravda. RU. In the past, I have had problems in verifying different claims with an outside source but in this case, Global Research is featuring this article - so there "might" be some truth behind it? There is mention of "scanned copies of documents and transcripts of conversations with pilots of the Ukrainian aviation" yet no links are given to photocopies or any other documentation? So I suggest taking the information with a grain of salt until further information comes available supporting their claims?
Kiev Regime Conducted Special Operation to Destroy Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17
http://www.globalresearch.ca/kiev-regime-conducted-special-operation-to-destroy-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17/5596903
Newspaper journalists have obtained a map, namely a secret flight plan, that was made and personally signed the day before the flight, on July 16, 2014, by the pilot of the 299th tactical aviation brigade, Captain Vladislav Voloshin. The plan was also approved by commander of the A4104 military unit, Colonel Gennady Dubovik.
Ukraine persistently claims that there was no military aircraft flying in the area the day when the tragedy occurred. Yet, the newly published documents prove that Ukrainian officials lie. Pravda.Ru held a brief interview with Sergei Sokolov, editor-in-chief of the Sovershenno Secretno newspaper.
“This time, the material is very extensive, there are scanned copies of documents and transcripts of conversations with pilots of the Ukrainian aviation. It became known that Ukraine was using its warplanes on the tragic day. What does the newly discovered information say?”
“These documents show that there were orders given to use combat aircraft. Conversations with servicemen of the Chuguev Airborne Division testified that there were sorties made. We try to be objective in this, but we know that the version promoted by the international commission in the Netherlands prevails. According to that version, it was a Russian Buk missile system that shot the plane down. We believe that this version of the investigation is biased and not credible, because the documents that we publish testify that there are other facts that need to be taken into account and carefully analyzed by the international commission in the Netherlands.”
“How was all this information obtained?”
“Strictly speaking, when we received audio recordings of conversations with servicemen of the Chuguevsky airborne unit, it became clear that an unknown person talked to them and made those recordings. In general, it goes about a special operation to document facts of the crimes committed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”
“Do you think that the destruction of the Boeing of Malaysia Airlines was a well-planned operation?”
“Judging from the documents that we have published, the SBU of Ukraine speaks about the destruction of the facts of the special operation. Such a conclusion is possible.”
“What can you say about those who ordered the destruction of the passenger aircraft?”
“If it goes about a state-run special operation, it is clear that this was the Ukrainian administration. In our article, we pointed out a strange coincidence. On the eve of the tragedy, two top officials of the Ukrainian administration visited the air force unit in Chuguev: Yatsenyuk, who then served as the Prime Minister of Ukraine, and Parubiy. They also visited the tactical aviation brigade in Nikolayev. Strictly speaking, this is a coincidence, but we have published a photo, on which Yatsenyuk walks near SU-25 flight 08. It is the fighter jet, which Captain Voloshin could pilot, according to the flight map.”
“Is there any hope that your materials will show influence on the course of the investigation in the Netherlands?”
“I would very much like to believe so, because it really hurts me to see people applauding to unprofessional Bellingcat reports with photoshopped images.”
A Russian newspaper obtained copies of secret documents of the Security Bureau of Ukraine (SBU) about special operations to destroy evidence of mass murder in the sky over the Donbass on July 17, 2014. The Sovershenno Secretno newspaper (translates as "Top Secret") conducts an investigation into the downing of the Malaysian passenger Boeing over Ukraine.
New secret documents hold Ukraine responsible for MH17 plane crash
http://www.pravdareport.com/world/ussr/ukraine/22-05-2017/137799-mh17_plane_crash-0/
May 22, 2017 - The copies of the documents that the newspaper obtained - orders, coded telegrams and plans - were written on official letterheads of the Ukrainian Security Service. According to the newspaper, Ukrainian President Poroshenko and his generals should be put on trial in The Hague as war criminals. The person who handed the documents to the newspaper, said that it was part of his very long and exhausting work.
"In Ukraine, I have a few friends, who are fed up with the fact that other people wipe their feet on them. They are two-faced guys: they want those bastards to be held accountable for what they did, but at the same time, they want a security cushion and offer to buy those documents," the anonymous source of information said.
"Believe me, I just want those bastards from the SBU to get what they deserve," he added.The newspaper published copies of four criminal orders of the Security Bureau of Ukraine. The information that the documents contain suggests the following:
- the new Kiev authorities - President Poroshenko and his generals - are entirely responsible for the shoot-down of the Malaysian aircraft;
- Ukraine's military aviation was involved in the plane crash;
- to cover the traces of the monstrous crime, the SBU had been conducting special operations since the end of July 2014 to destroy the facts of the special operation that pointed to the presence of combat aircraft on combat missions on July 17, 2014.
Pravda.Ru asked an expert opinion on the subject from editor-in-chief of the Top Secret newspaper, Sergei Sokolov.
"Can you assert that the information that your newspaper has obtained is genuine and trustworthy?"
"We have had a number of meetings with the source of this information. We additionally checked the papers with the help of veterans of special services, who know all about the departmental bureaucracy. It looks very much like in Russia, because the SBU is an offspring of the USSR's KGB. The documents that we have are arranged in a way as they should be arranged at the security department. Plus, the source told us that he received the documents from the depths of the SBU. "The people who handed the documents to that person dislike the Ukrainian government, and we have to buy those documents.
All circumstances of the story convince us that the documents are authentic. Of course, Russia's Investigative Committee will have to look into all this." "What about the International Criminal Court in The Hague, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the Council of Europe? Do you intend to submit these documents to international organizations?"
"I do not believe that they can do anything, because, as we could see, international organizations believe in the story about the Russian Buk missile complex that downed the Boeing. They do not want to listen to what Russia has to say on the subject, they are blind." "Do you plan to contact Malaysian and Dutch sides? These countries are highly interested in the investigation." "Of course, but it is only the families of the victims who are interested in learning the truth about what happened. Everyone else wants to blame Russia for everything. We are sending the documents to Russia's Investigative Committee in the first place."
Kiev Regime Conducted Special Operation to Destroy Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17
http://www.globalresearch.ca/kiev-regime-conducted-special-operation-to-destroy-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17/5596903
Newspaper journalists have obtained a map, namely a secret flight plan, that was made and personally signed the day before the flight, on July 16, 2014, by the pilot of the 299th tactical aviation brigade, Captain Vladislav Voloshin. The plan was also approved by commander of the A4104 military unit, Colonel Gennady Dubovik.
Ukraine persistently claims that there was no military aircraft flying in the area the day when the tragedy occurred. Yet, the newly published documents prove that Ukrainian officials lie. Pravda.Ru held a brief interview with Sergei Sokolov, editor-in-chief of the Sovershenno Secretno newspaper.
“This time, the material is very extensive, there are scanned copies of documents and transcripts of conversations with pilots of the Ukrainian aviation. It became known that Ukraine was using its warplanes on the tragic day. What does the newly discovered information say?”
“These documents show that there were orders given to use combat aircraft. Conversations with servicemen of the Chuguev Airborne Division testified that there were sorties made. We try to be objective in this, but we know that the version promoted by the international commission in the Netherlands prevails. According to that version, it was a Russian Buk missile system that shot the plane down. We believe that this version of the investigation is biased and not credible, because the documents that we publish testify that there are other facts that need to be taken into account and carefully analyzed by the international commission in the Netherlands.”
“How was all this information obtained?”
“Strictly speaking, when we received audio recordings of conversations with servicemen of the Chuguevsky airborne unit, it became clear that an unknown person talked to them and made those recordings. In general, it goes about a special operation to document facts of the crimes committed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”
“Do you think that the destruction of the Boeing of Malaysia Airlines was a well-planned operation?”
“Judging from the documents that we have published, the SBU of Ukraine speaks about the destruction of the facts of the special operation. Such a conclusion is possible.”
“What can you say about those who ordered the destruction of the passenger aircraft?”
“If it goes about a state-run special operation, it is clear that this was the Ukrainian administration. In our article, we pointed out a strange coincidence. On the eve of the tragedy, two top officials of the Ukrainian administration visited the air force unit in Chuguev: Yatsenyuk, who then served as the Prime Minister of Ukraine, and Parubiy. They also visited the tactical aviation brigade in Nikolayev. Strictly speaking, this is a coincidence, but we have published a photo, on which Yatsenyuk walks near SU-25 flight 08. It is the fighter jet, which Captain Voloshin could pilot, according to the flight map.”
“Is there any hope that your materials will show influence on the course of the investigation in the Netherlands?”
“I would very much like to believe so, because it really hurts me to see people applauding to unprofessional Bellingcat reports with photoshopped images.”
A Russian newspaper obtained copies of secret documents of the Security Bureau of Ukraine (SBU) about special operations to destroy evidence of mass murder in the sky over the Donbass on July 17, 2014. The Sovershenno Secretno newspaper (translates as "Top Secret") conducts an investigation into the downing of the Malaysian passenger Boeing over Ukraine.
New secret documents hold Ukraine responsible for MH17 plane crash
http://www.pravdareport.com/world/ussr/ukraine/22-05-2017/137799-mh17_plane_crash-0/
May 22, 2017 - The copies of the documents that the newspaper obtained - orders, coded telegrams and plans - were written on official letterheads of the Ukrainian Security Service. According to the newspaper, Ukrainian President Poroshenko and his generals should be put on trial in The Hague as war criminals. The person who handed the documents to the newspaper, said that it was part of his very long and exhausting work.
"In Ukraine, I have a few friends, who are fed up with the fact that other people wipe their feet on them. They are two-faced guys: they want those bastards to be held accountable for what they did, but at the same time, they want a security cushion and offer to buy those documents," the anonymous source of information said.
"Believe me, I just want those bastards from the SBU to get what they deserve," he added.The newspaper published copies of four criminal orders of the Security Bureau of Ukraine. The information that the documents contain suggests the following:
- the new Kiev authorities - President Poroshenko and his generals - are entirely responsible for the shoot-down of the Malaysian aircraft;
- Ukraine's military aviation was involved in the plane crash;
- to cover the traces of the monstrous crime, the SBU had been conducting special operations since the end of July 2014 to destroy the facts of the special operation that pointed to the presence of combat aircraft on combat missions on July 17, 2014.
Pravda.Ru asked an expert opinion on the subject from editor-in-chief of the Top Secret newspaper, Sergei Sokolov.
"Can you assert that the information that your newspaper has obtained is genuine and trustworthy?"
"We have had a number of meetings with the source of this information. We additionally checked the papers with the help of veterans of special services, who know all about the departmental bureaucracy. It looks very much like in Russia, because the SBU is an offspring of the USSR's KGB. The documents that we have are arranged in a way as they should be arranged at the security department. Plus, the source told us that he received the documents from the depths of the SBU. "The people who handed the documents to that person dislike the Ukrainian government, and we have to buy those documents.
All circumstances of the story convince us that the documents are authentic. Of course, Russia's Investigative Committee will have to look into all this." "What about the International Criminal Court in The Hague, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the Council of Europe? Do you intend to submit these documents to international organizations?"
"I do not believe that they can do anything, because, as we could see, international organizations believe in the story about the Russian Buk missile complex that downed the Boeing. They do not want to listen to what Russia has to say on the subject, they are blind." "Do you plan to contact Malaysian and Dutch sides? These countries are highly interested in the investigation." "Of course, but it is only the families of the victims who are interested in learning the truth about what happened. Everyone else wants to blame Russia for everything. We are sending the documents to Russia's Investigative Committee in the first place."
Palinurus
The Living Force
Thanks angelburst29 for these new additions.
SOTT carries the pravda version: https://www.sott.net/article/355212-Russian-paper-publishes-alleged-documents-that-Ukrainian-air-force-was-active-during-MH17-attack
The Sovershenno Secretno newspaper (translates as "Top Secret") has already been mentioned before for another scoop (in Russian) in the same vein, starting with PoB's Reply # 798 from May 23, 2017.
Pravda report was then mentioned by me in that respect as well in Reply #804.
SOTT carries the pravda version: https://www.sott.net/article/355212-Russian-paper-publishes-alleged-documents-that-Ukrainian-air-force-was-active-during-MH17-attack
The Sovershenno Secretno newspaper (translates as "Top Secret") has already been mentioned before for another scoop (in Russian) in the same vein, starting with PoB's Reply # 798 from May 23, 2017.
Pravda report was then mentioned by me in that respect as well in Reply #804.
Palinurus said:Thanks angelburst29 for these new additions.
SOTT carries the pravda version: https://www.sott.net/article/355212-Russian-paper-publishes-alleged-documents-that-Ukrainian-air-force-was-active-during-MH17-attack
The Sovershenno Secretno newspaper (translates as "Top Secret") has already been mentioned before for another scoop (in Russian) in the same vein, starting with PoB's Reply # 798 from May 23, 2017.
Pravda report was then mentioned by me in that respect as well in Reply #804.
Thought this, if true, was pretty interesting:
Yeah, Yatz. He would certainly be a 'prime' connection to certain foreign state officials, including possible foreign intelligence groups like Mossad, groups that might have been covering a separate but related angle out of Schiphol, Netherlands, as previously discussed and if close to realities. But as they say, it's just coincidence.
angelburst29
The Living Force
The suspects in the 2014 Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine will be prosecuted in the Netherlands, the Dutch foreign minister said in a statement Wednesday.
MH17 Crash Suspects to Be Prosecuted in Netherlands - Dutch Foreign Minister
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201707051055237128-mh17-crash-prosecution-netherlands/
The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) comprising Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine is tasked with probing the July 2014 crash that claimed the lives of all 298 passengers and crew.
The JIT countries have now decided that the suspects should be prosecuted in the Netherlands, a process that will be rooted in ongoing international cooperation and support," Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders said.
Koenders said the decision indicates that the JIT "team’s cooperation will continue into the prosecution phase."
Ukraine and the Netherlands are planning on July 7 to sign an agreement on international legal cooperation that will entitle the Dutch side to hold trial in the case of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 crash in the Donetsk region in July 2014, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry also said Wednesday.
Amsterdam said earlier Wednesday that the trial in the case of the MH17 crash would be held in the Netherlands.
"The legal basis for the implementation of this decision will be an agreement between Ukraine and the Netherlands on international legal cooperation in relation to crimes related to the downing of the MH17 flight, which is scheduled to be signed on July 7, 2017," the Ukrainian ministry said.
"The agreement envisions practical aspects of the transfer of jurisdiction from Ukraine to the Netherlands, makes possible the participation of all suspects in the crime in the Dutch trial," it said.
MH17 Crash Suspects to Be Prosecuted in Netherlands - Dutch Foreign Minister
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201707051055237128-mh17-crash-prosecution-netherlands/
The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) comprising Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine is tasked with probing the July 2014 crash that claimed the lives of all 298 passengers and crew.
The JIT countries have now decided that the suspects should be prosecuted in the Netherlands, a process that will be rooted in ongoing international cooperation and support," Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders said.
Koenders said the decision indicates that the JIT "team’s cooperation will continue into the prosecution phase."
Ukraine and the Netherlands are planning on July 7 to sign an agreement on international legal cooperation that will entitle the Dutch side to hold trial in the case of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 crash in the Donetsk region in July 2014, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry also said Wednesday.
Amsterdam said earlier Wednesday that the trial in the case of the MH17 crash would be held in the Netherlands.
"The legal basis for the implementation of this decision will be an agreement between Ukraine and the Netherlands on international legal cooperation in relation to crimes related to the downing of the MH17 flight, which is scheduled to be signed on July 7, 2017," the Ukrainian ministry said.
"The agreement envisions practical aspects of the transfer of jurisdiction from Ukraine to the Netherlands, makes possible the participation of all suspects in the crime in the Dutch trial," it said.
Palinurus
The Living Force
Thanks angelburst29, you beat me to it... ;D
Confirmation and elaboration here:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/07/suspects-for-the-mh17-plane-crash-will-be-prosecuted-in-the-netherlands/
http://nltimes.nl/2017/07/05/mh17-perpetrators-tried-netherlands
http://nltimes.nl/2017/07/05/dutch-pm-pleased-mh17-perpetrators-will-tried-nl-next-step-towards-truth
Confirmation and elaboration here:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/07/suspects-for-the-mh17-plane-crash-will-be-prosecuted-in-the-netherlands/
http://nltimes.nl/2017/07/05/mh17-perpetrators-tried-netherlands
http://nltimes.nl/2017/07/05/dutch-pm-pleased-mh17-perpetrators-will-tried-nl-next-step-towards-truth
Thanks for the updates. :)
A Dutch MSM article quotes an international law professor saying that the 'suspects will likely be Russian'... The article further says that if there are Russian suspects, they most likely won't be physically attending a trial in the Netherlands, as Russia doesn't extradite its own nationals. The Netherlands agreed with Ukraine, that if suspects were to be Ukrainian (which they probably won't, unless they're pro-Russian, as it fits their anti-Russia narrative since the beginning of the shooting/investigation), they will be attending through video chat. Such an agreement with Russia will only be discussed once suspects are Russian.
angelburst29 said:
A Dutch MSM article quotes an international law professor saying that the 'suspects will likely be Russian'... The article further says that if there are Russian suspects, they most likely won't be physically attending a trial in the Netherlands, as Russia doesn't extradite its own nationals. The Netherlands agreed with Ukraine, that if suspects were to be Ukrainian (which they probably won't, unless they're pro-Russian, as it fits their anti-Russia narrative since the beginning of the shooting/investigation), they will be attending through video chat. Such an agreement with Russia will only be discussed once suspects are Russian.
Palinurus
The Living Force
Thanks Oxajil for highlighting these points. They deserve it.
The same Dutch MSM source recently launched a series of articles leading up to the next 17th July commemoration date. The one you cited from is the third one in succession.
For archiving purposes, here are the other two (Dutch only):
http://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2180903-zo-kwam-mh17-midden-in-een-veldslag-terecht.html
http://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2181078-op-zoek-naar-doebinski-de-belangrijkste-getuige-van-de-mh17-ramp.html
Apparently, one of the prime Russian suspects would probably be that Dubinsky fellow who was already mentioned earlier (April 5, 2017) in Reply #789.
The same Dutch MSM source recently launched a series of articles leading up to the next 17th July commemoration date. The one you cited from is the third one in succession.
For archiving purposes, here are the other two (Dutch only):
http://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2180903-zo-kwam-mh17-midden-in-een-veldslag-terecht.html
http://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2181078-op-zoek-naar-doebinski-de-belangrijkste-getuige-van-de-mh17-ramp.html
Apparently, one of the prime Russian suspects would probably be that Dubinsky fellow who was already mentioned earlier (April 5, 2017) in Reply #789.
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