Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

[Ennio]

Sadly I have to agree that the pragmatic approach is the only solution it seems when dealing with a complete psychopathic entity as the Israeli government. I really do believe Trump wants to stop the bloodshed and sees this as the best solution. As always with him he doesn’t always articulate himself very well and probably has to be careful what’s says about Israel.

I see it this way as well. Trump also well knows that what happens to the Palestinians in Gaza has a knock-on effect that partially determines what other parties in the ME respond and react to - and that could, potentially, light the region on fire. Which he doesn't want. And all rhetoric about Iran aside, I think he'll do everything he can do avoid conflict there as well.

Having said that, the next question in my mind is what Israel, or its handlers, want to do now. If it were just about getting more land then they would see this as an opportunity to expand on "US controlled" Gaza, but I fear that that isn't the case. If what we've seen so far is any indication, there may be more carnage planned for the Palestinians (and/or Iran) - under a false flag pretext, or even no pretext at all - but to satisfy whatever fanatical, sacrificial or higher level demands some may have of this horror show.

 

[mabar]

Having said that, the next question in my mind is what Israel, or its handlers, want to do now. If it were just about getting more land then they would see this as an opportunity to expand on "US controlled" Gaza, but I fear that that isn't the case. If what we've seen so far is any indication, there more be more carnage planned for the Palestinians (and/or Iran) - under a false flag pretext, or even no pretext at all - but to satisfy whatever fanatical, sacrificial or higher level demands some may have of this horror show.

With no pretext, they had been unleashed. Not that they restricted themselves much, though.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887198567174951065

 

[Windmill knight]

It will be VERY interesting watching how the future unfolds that's for sure.

Yes, and it will be very problematic too. I imagine many Palestinians are attached to their land, so they won't want to go without resistence. And Hamas in particular, of course they will not, and they have already stated as much. Also, the most obvious countries to receive the Palestinians would be Egypt and Jordan, and both are very strongly opposed to the idea, and who can blame them? It's not easy to absorb a million or two newcomers who own nothing (Trump should know). So who, realistically, will offer them a land where they can have a decent life?

Furthermore, nobody will accept that people can simply be kicked out of their land, in the face of international law (except Israel of course). So the whole international community will be opposed, and the voices are already rising in many countries, from Europe to China.

But lets suppose that Trump manages to convince or twist everyone's arm, and the Palestinians do have somewhere to go. The Israelis will immediately turn their sight on the West Bank (they already are, actually). I mean, if they commited genocide in Gaza and got awarded Gaza, why not the West Bank too??

Finally, Trump said that 'we' (meaning the US) will take over Gaza. So what will be the legal status of the land? Whose territory will it be? Who will invest and into what? Who will live there and who will pay taxes to whom? Well of course the Israelis are calculating that one way or another it will be theirs, and theirs only. But is that what Trump has in mind?

So many sticking points. Still, as I said, if that saves the Palestinian people, perhaps it's the lesser evil, and even if it's messy, perhaps it can be done, I don't know.

 

[Ben]

But lets suppose that Trump manages to convince or twist everyone's arm, and the Palestinians do have somewhere to go. The Israelis will immediately turn their sight on the West Bank (they already are, actually). I mean, if they commited genocide in Gaza and got awarded Gaza, why not the West Bank too??

This is my main concern, while all the focus is now on Gaza. The Strip was already finished in many respects, the damage done - too extensive to repair and the refugee crisis unsustainable without extraordinary efforts (which would just be blocked). Trump's 'plan' regarding Gaza, vague as it is, makes some kind of sense in the current situation. It doesn't seem very workable on the face of it, are US soldiers going to die for this? Is the IDF going to get the green light to start rounding everyone up and handing them to the US? It's totally possible, it's just the optics are so bad, it is a bit mind boggling at the moment.

But if he authorised Israel to just enter the West Bank and start clearing it with boots on the ground, then a regional war looks even more likely than before. The big question is, does he then continue to back Israel fully or does he leave them to deal with their own mess?

 

[mkrnhr]

I think Trump made a fool of himself. For someone who's known to give alpha-male handshakes, he appeared like a servant to Natenyahoo, even arranging his seat:

Notice also the choice of tie colors: Israel flag color tie for Trump, and boss red tie for Natenyahoo.
The exact terms of the agreements are not clear, but it appears that Natenyahoo was somehow surprise to hear Trump mention that the US would "own" Gaza. Maybe it was a retaliation for the humiliation.
Of course there are natural gas reserves on the shores of Gaza that enter into the equation but it looked like an afterthought.
Now if the "plan" is executed, it means US military troops in the region. Now if the Palestinians were allowed to stay in Gaza with US troops, the Israelis would hesitate to continue the genocide but the since the Palestinians would be deported to other places (in the middle of the desert?) then these troops would protect Isrealo-American economic interests. The net winner would be Israel because the US would pay for everything (especially if it has extra money from DODGE) and most US banks and corporations are in Israel's hands anyway. The other win for Israel is geopolitic: By having US troops in Gaza, they can always stage a false-flag attack to blame Iran, and have the US enter a war on its behalf. Even if Trump is assassinated by the Mossad, they can always blame Iran because "Trump is the one who deported the Palestinians from Palestine".
The only positive aspect is that if this comes to pass and a cosmic retribution is due, the surviving Palestinians will be spared even if it's not intended as such by the earthly decision makers.
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[neema]

I think Trump made a fool of himself. For someone who's known to give alpha-male handshakes, he appeared like a servant to Natenyahoo, even arranging his seat:
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Notice also the choice of tie colors: Israel flag color tie for Trump, and boss red tie for Natenyahoo.
The exact terms of the agreements are not clear, but it appears that Natenyahoo was somehow surprise to hear Trump mention that the US would "own" Gaza. Maybe it was a retaliation for the humiliation.
Of course there are natural gas reserves on the shores of Gaza that enter into the equation but it looked like an afterthought.
Now if the "plan" is executed, it means US military troops in the region. Now if the Palestinians were allowed to stay in Gaza with US troops, the Israelis would hesitate to continue the genocide but the since the Palestinians would be deported to other places (in the middle of the desert?) then these troops would protect Isrealo-American economic interests. The net winner would be Israel because the US would pay for everything (especially if it has extra money from DODGE) and most US banks and corporations are in Israel's hands anyway. The other win for Israel is geopolitic: By having US troops in Gaza, they can always stage a false-flag attack to blame Iran, and have the US enter a war on its behalf. Even if Trump is assassinated by the Mossad, they can always blame Iran because "Trump is the one who deported the Palestinians from Palestine".
The only positive aspect is that if this comes to pass and a cosmic retribution is due, the surviving Palestinians will be spared even if it's not intended as such by the earthly decision makers.
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Looks can be deceiving. Trump can be interpreted as a “snake charmer” here. Keep your enemies unaware before you take action.

How things get more interesting by the day. I am going to give my business man analysis of this proposal.

From my understanding the “native” Palestinians from Gaza are about half a million people. The rest are refugees from the surrounding parts who have over the years been forced into Gaza. Maybe part of the plan is to relocate those that are traditionally the refugees. Egypt may say no now, but if trump offers them a massive construction and development budget for an unused area in their country, Egypt would be irrational to refuse. They can sell that to their population. They can say: look America will create all this activity and stop the killing, if they don’t then we will do something.

If America comes through with a middle eastern “Marshall Plan” it can potentially create all levels of jobs and economic activity, not to mention long term tax and revenue potential for Egypt.

Meanwhile USA takes over Gaza and with massive funding and with the help of the remaining “native” Palestinians, rebuilds Gaza ala Japan after WWII. Where USA directly occupied and implemented its own reconstruction program for the country. Let’s not forget the US occupation of Japan focused on significant political and social reforms alongside economic recovery.

After a while when things stabilize, I don’t see why relocated Palestinians can’t slowly move back, those that want, as there will be stability and economic opportunity by then.

At that point Israel will have to deal with USA when it comes to exploiting the natural resources of the area. Israel can forget about any direct attacks on the new "unincorporated U.S. territory". If USA implements this massive investment in the area they would not just walk away and loose out on the profits it can potentially bring in.

So, with this move if done right Israel’s excuses of safety will be nullified. Palestinians will get a taste of the “good life” and Hamas will simply dissolve. And America will have a major new presence in the middle east, with the embrace of the local population.

I mean just look at Japan. Is there any other Asian country that imitates America more?

Roller coaster year, indeed.

 

[SOTTREADER]

A few questions:

Do the Palestinians have a choice?

Do the countries where they'll be relocated to have a choice?

Why can't Israel do to the West Bank what it has done to Gaza?

 

[Windmill knight]

I think Trump made a fool of himself. For someone who's known to give alpha-male handshakes, he appeared like a servant to Natenyahoo, even arranging his seat:

I didn't think he was that submisive to Netanyahu. I mean, he openly said on his face that Gaza was uninhabitable, a 'demolition site', and that Palestinians had endured death and destruction for years, etc. He knew, Bibi knew, and everyone in the world knew who the culprit was, so that was as close as can be to a US presidente pointing a finger directly at him. Maybe that explains Bibi's crazy smile and look while Trump was speaking. He couldn't compute if he should be delighted by getting what he did, or offended. (Rumor has it that Trump actually hates Netanyahu.)

 

[mkrnhr]

He does hate Natenyahu (who wouldn't?) and I think he turned on him, especially at the press conference. If you watch Natenyahu, it was less smiling and uncomfortable when Trump was talking, which tells me that the "we own Gaza" probably wasn't discussed before that moment. The idea of displacing the Palestinians from Gaza has been floated before so he was expecting something like "We convince Egypt and Jordan to take in the Palestinians and you do as you please"

 

[Ben]

On the subject of Trump and Bibi tensions, some good points here. Something doesn't add up. Many have interpreted Bibi's reaction to Trump's announcement as annoyance (his facial expression), suggesting he was unaware beforehand. It's possible, not much to go on.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887191036180766896

I don't take Trump for a master strategist, so I'll just say that I consider it likely that all his recent interactions with Netanyahu involve a forced smile. As to whether he has played a long game, I'm open to it.

Israel gets far less control over the situation if the US is directly involved, this is true. Everyone is currently focused on all the benefits they will get in the long run, if Gaza becomes open for business and resettlement. We'll have to wait and see whether that is really the plan, instead of a clever ruse to force them into a peace deal. It still seems too fraught with potential pitfalls to me. Hamas aren't going to just step aside, Palestinian civilians may unite in resisting displacement, or neighbouring countries completely refuse to cooperate - seems unlikely they would have agreed beforehand without Israel also knowing. Economic warfare may force compliance, or drive them further into multipolar orbit.

One thing's for sure, a lot of important realpolitik is on full show. Takes real hypocrites to keep whining about Crimea and Donbass, in the current climate.

 

[Digmo]

On the subject of Trump and Bibi tensions, some good points here. Something doesn't add up. Many have interpreted Bibi's reaction to Trump's announcement as annoyance (his facial expression), suggesting he was unaware beforehand. It's possible, not much to go on.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887191036180766896

I don't take Trump for a master strategist, so I'll just say that I consider it likely that all his recent interactions with Netanyahu involve a forced smile. As to whether he has played a long game, I'm open to it.

Israel gets far less control over the situation if the US is directly involved, this is true. Everyone is currently focused on all the benefits they will get in the long run, if Gaza becomes open for business and resettlement. We'll have to wait and see whether that is really the plan, instead of a clever ruse to force them into a peace deal. It still seems too fraught with potential pitfalls to me. Hamas aren't going to just step aside, Palestinian civilians may unite in resisting displacement, or neighbouring countries completely refuse to cooperate - seems unlikely they would have agreed beforehand without Israel also knowing. Economic warfare may force compliance, or drive them further into multipolar orbit.

One thing's for sure, a lot of important realpolitik is on full show. Takes real hypocrites to keep whining about Crimea and Donbass, in the current climate.

I read the headline about what trump was announcing and the first thing i decided to look for in the linked video was Netanyahu's reaction. Whatever that was, it was easily noticeable and made me chuckle a little about the possible implications. To me, it looked like he immediately had the urge to go over and speak to Trump.

The theory is still fraught with pitfalls though, I agree.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Israel is taking steps to not let Palestinian state to happen.

 

[Fluffy]

Galaxy A.I. Overview

Israel's Controversial Plan for Palestinian Departure from Gaza Raises Regional Concerns

TLDR: Israel's Defense Minister has ordered preparations for the voluntary departure of Palestinians from Gaza, a move that has sparked fears among neighboring countries and Palestinian factions about potential regional instability and the undermining of peace treaties.



In a significant development, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz has instructed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to prepare for what he describes as the voluntary departure of Palestinians from Gaza. This directive comes amidst ongoing tensions and military operations in the region, raising questions about the implications for both Palestinians and neighboring countries.

## Control of Borders and Crossings

Currently, Israel maintains control over all of Gaza's borders and crossings, determining who can enter and exit the territory. The recent discussions have focused solely on the exit of Palestinians from Gaza, with no mention of their potential return. This one-sided approach has raised alarms about the humanitarian implications for those who may be forced to leave their homes.

## Trump's Proposal and Its Uncertainties

The Israeli government has stated that it lacks detailed information on how President Trump's proposal regarding Gaza would be implemented. According to Trump, the plan would only be enacted after Israel concludes its military operations and Palestinians have already vacated the territory. Following this, control of Gaza would be handed over to the United States, with no American troops required to be stationed within Gaza itself.

## Regional Reactions: Egypt and Jordan's Concerns

The announcement has sent shockwaves through Israel's closest neighbors, particularly Egypt and Jordan, both of which have peace treaties with Israel.

### Egypt's Stance

Egypt has expressed strong opposition to the plan, warning that it could jeopardize ongoing ceasefire negotiations and undermine the foundations of peace in the region. The Egyptian government fears that the proposal could threaten its long-standing peace treaty with Israel, which has been a cornerstone of regional stability.

### Jordan's Warnings

Similarly, sources close to the Jordanian Royal Court have indicated that King Abdullah II, who is scheduled to meet with President Trump in Washington, D.C., will convey that this proposal could lead to radicalization across the Middle East. The Jordanian leadership is concerned that the plan could incite chaos in the region and pose a direct threat to Jordan's stability as a nation.

## Hamas and Palestinian Unity

In response to the unfolding situation, Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that has regained control over significant portions of Gaza, has called for unity among Palestinian political factions. They urge collaboration with Arab governments to prevent the implementation of the proposed plan, highlighting the need for a cohesive response to protect Palestinian interests.

## Conclusion

The Israeli government's directive to prepare for the voluntary departure of Palestinians from Gaza has sparked a complex web of regional concerns. With Egypt and Jordan voicing their apprehensions about the potential destabilization of peace treaties and the risk of radicalization, the situation remains precarious. As Hamas calls for unity among Palestinians, the future of Gaza and its inhabitants hangs in the balance, with significant implications for the broader Middle East.

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[Ruth]

On the subject of Trump and Bibi tensions, some good points here. Something doesn't add up. Many have interpreted Bibi's reaction to Trump's announcement as annoyance (his facial expression), suggesting he was unaware beforehand. It's possible, not much to go on.

Yes, especially if you're dealing with a psychopath. They are 'different' in their responses.... and quite creepy.

 

[Ruth]

He does hate Natenyahu (who wouldn't?) and I think he turned on him, especially at the press conference. If you watch Natenyahu, it was less smiling and uncomfortable when Trump was talking, which tells me that the "we own Gaza" probably wasn't discussed before that moment. The idea of displacing the Palestinians from Gaza has been floated before so he was expecting something like "We convince Egypt and Jordan to take in the Palestinians and you do as you please"

In my opinion, Trump has no idea he is dealing with a psychopath. He doesn't even know what one is. Yes, he was used, yes he was played.