Trump feels that the peace plan for Ukraine is slipping through his fingers.
Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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The EU and UK leaders are waiting for approval from the US to deploy a "multinational force" to Ukraine.
Ukraine's allies have agreed to allocate €20 billion for military assistance to Kiev. More here.
SasaM
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Usually, as things have been so far, when they said they were planning to do something, in reality it meant that they had already done that just not publicly announced it yet. The statements in the media that they were planning to do something were more or less preparing the ground with their populations for the official declaration that it's already done.
FWIW.
The Russian delegation will negotiate for peace in the US, while EU leaders in Brussels debate how to steal frozen Russian assets.
I saw somewhere on the net that there are rumors that Westerners have offered a million dollars and the opportunity to obtain his chosen nationality to a Russian pilot who would agree to drop bombs on a NATO base in Romania.
So pure rumor but I put it here for the record.
So pure rumor but I put it here for the record.
What some Ukrainians are thinking about the conflict
The work for this post began with a translated comment about the Menorah and the Hanukkah 2025 festival shared on social media, but there was no source, and I began looking. With one piece leading to another, I discovered a few Ukrainian with perspectives on what is going on. If some of the reflections only came after a few years, what kind of process will await parts of Western Europe?
The Chabad movement and Ukraine
Recall BREAKING: Tunnel Found Burrowed Under Women's Section of 770, Possibly Destabilizing The Building from December 2023? Same group, but different scale. One TG post, has an image with a text that translates as Then Ukraine was sacrificed. The logo is from Media Brest and looking for a match gave a video from around 2020 with the translated meaning: Eduard Khodos predicted the unification of Russia and Ukraine (Эдуард Ходос предсказал объединение России и Украины). It is yet unknown to which extent that will be realized. More interesting, the post has a short intro to the person interviewed:
Of course it has been necessary, also in the past, to explain certain issues connected with Chabad. In 2020 there was an interview with Rabbi M. Finkel: Secrets of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. The main conclusion of the conversation was that the world view of Chabad is just like that of other religions and denominations. The sore point some had been bringing up was merely due to the misguided translation of one passage, explains the young learned rabbi. He had discovered the issue by comparing the translations to the manuscripts, and has in the interest of truth appealed to his elders to rectify the translation, but until then, unfortunately, nothing had yet come out of it.
Another author published Occupation of Ukraine by the Chabad sect: the road to hell! (Оккупация Украины сектой Хабад : дорога в ад!) by Zatula-Semenko, Maksim, (Затула-Семенко, Максим) from 2016. Looking up this title led to a video in Russian "A few words about the Chabad sect and how we came under their influence". He is, strategically not saying much really, except that people might learn something in relation to what has been going happening the country by reading the book.
The influence in Ukraine by people connected to Israel
From April 6 2022, Zelensky and NATO plan to transform post-war Ukraine into 'a big Israel' or from the same year: Ukraine will be a 'big Israel' - Zelensky.
From February 25, 2025 A new Israel will be created in Ukraine, Новый Израиль Создадут На Украине. The person interviewed has a pile of Israeli papers mentioning the idea.
From July 12 2025 Ukraine - The New Israel, heavenly Jeruslem will be built on the ruins of Ukraine. from a channel established in 2008 with the description:
"A lot of conspiracy theories. But those who understand, understand." The video description above this comment is:
Is patriotism in Ukraine maturing?
In his most recent upload, Patriot's Hangover, using allusions buried in idiomatic expressions, talking about fatigue, health, lack of energy, diplomatically acknowledging those for whom nothing is likely to change beyond what they pick up from propaganda and the TV, (not encouraging people to proselytize) the speaker says that it appears, - with added emphasis on appears - that like a hangover, "it" is already now no longer like a tan. To understand "it", he uses it some what similar as COVID which he comments in another video, Global experiment, where he reviews a book, but see also this video where he comments on how Ukraine moved from one concern to the next within a day. Near the end, after having described different kinds of patriots and also the politicians and elites in power, he gives his opinion that there will be heavy hangovers from the patriotism, and that the actors, those in power will be in difficulties, but those who watch the theater and control it, (humming some notes from the beginning where he congratulates on the occasion of the Hanukkah) will be fine. Based on other uploads he is interested in the human experience, as some others are. He is also into breathing exercises and meditation. The translated theme of his TG channel, "The world inside you" is: "A channel for those who are ready to get to know themselves and the world around us"
It does not help the case for patriotism that some of the top corrupt people moved to Israel, as this guy was sad to learn:
It is symptomatic perhaps that he takes it out on the Bible and Christianity: In this case, he shows the Bible, says it was written by Jews, and misses no opportunity to advertise his own brew of Slavic-Shamanistic-Veda-ism. A variety of black and white thinking, possibly.
Regarding the person to the left in the row of three, it must be strange that the popular TV series where Zelensky played the main role, Servant of the people/ Sluga Naroda again and again comes close to reality. If the following embedded Tweet goes down, the text is:
Another disappointment for a patriots who have emphasized how much difference there is between Russians and Ukrainians:
Rabbi admits: Islam is Israel’s broom
There are three speakers and the above statement was from a French rabbi.
For a longer video related to the above, with discussion, and more revelations, see if this link works:
You Will Have No Place To Run Islam Is The Broom Of Israel Rabbi Rav Touitou
From the above use of power by some groups, it might lead to reactions, and there are ideas for a global structure controlled by...?
Even if more legislation and control is implemented, as we can see from Ukraine after more than ten years, a few people ask question. They explore the limits, and familiarize themselves with the law and its application.
Focus on Ukrainian laws and legalities - getting out of trouble
This YouTube channel, and it seems many other profiles on social media, share more or less frequently comments and videos related to legalities, sometimes wrapped in a strategic mix with talk of family life, hypothetical situations, health or alternative energy work and similar topics, probably not only to make the topics less dry, but also to hide that what they say might apply also to cases of people who would like to leave the country, but are not really allowed to if done without preparation, and those trying to postpone mobilization until some other day. One can also find videos with individuals going through live discussions and arguments with officials and others interested in taking some actions they do not really need to. or which is overreach or plainly illegal. It seems that fraudulent signatures, and contracts is a real problem and people can be stuck with court cases for a long time trying to prove a signature is false, or that there was fraud involved in contract
Without getting too detailed, here are two screenshots from an FB profile. To the left an image relating to the Ukrainian law and what rights the SBU have in relation to the individual. To the right the constitution of Ukraine, and what rights are guaranteed.
Here is another perspective from Ukraine, found as an FB post, by someone who apart from being into digital creation, possibly art, has been into eastern philosophy. Some people are learning that humans are not at the top and reflect on what this may mean for the individual.
Finally and this is the last, it is related to role of citizens in relation to the elites that use them.
A question
Having in this post reviewed and presented a few of the ideas some Ukrainians share with each other, I have a question: Will more citizen in the countries where the leaders or many of them have almost fanatically supported the escalation of the NATO proxy conflict in Ukraine, eventually end up with some of the same observations and questions and realizations?
The work for this post began with a translated comment about the Menorah and the Hanukkah 2025 festival shared on social media, but there was no source, and I began looking. With one piece leading to another, I discovered a few Ukrainian with perspectives on what is going on. If some of the reflections only came after a few years, what kind of process will await parts of Western Europe?
The Chabad movement and Ukraine
Recall BREAKING: Tunnel Found Burrowed Under Women's Section of 770, Possibly Destabilizing The Building from December 2023? Same group, but different scale. One TG post, has an image with a text that translates as Then Ukraine was sacrificed. The logo is from Media Brest and looking for a match gave a video from around 2020 with the translated meaning: Eduard Khodos predicted the unification of Russia and Ukraine (Эдуард Ходос предсказал объединение России и Украины). It is yet unknown to which extent that will be realized. More interesting, the post has a short intro to the person interviewed:
There is also from around 2005: Jewish fascism, or Chabad - road to hell. (Еврейский фашизм , или Хабад — дорога в ад).
Of course it has been necessary, also in the past, to explain certain issues connected with Chabad. In 2020 there was an interview with Rabbi M. Finkel: Secrets of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. The main conclusion of the conversation was that the world view of Chabad is just like that of other religions and denominations. The sore point some had been bringing up was merely due to the misguided translation of one passage, explains the young learned rabbi. He had discovered the issue by comparing the translations to the manuscripts, and has in the interest of truth appealed to his elders to rectify the translation, but until then, unfortunately, nothing had yet come out of it.
Another author published Occupation of Ukraine by the Chabad sect: the road to hell! (Оккупация Украины сектой Хабад : дорога в ад!) by Zatula-Semenko, Maksim, (Затула-Семенко, Максим) from 2016. Looking up this title led to a video in Russian "A few words about the Chabad sect and how we came under their influence". He is, strategically not saying much really, except that people might learn something in relation to what has been going happening the country by reading the book.
The influence in Ukraine by people connected to Israel
From April 6 2022, Zelensky and NATO plan to transform post-war Ukraine into 'a big Israel' or from the same year: Ukraine will be a 'big Israel' - Zelensky.
From February 25, 2025 A new Israel will be created in Ukraine, Новый Израиль Создадут На Украине. The person interviewed has a pile of Israeli papers mentioning the idea.
From July 12 2025 Ukraine - The New Israel, heavenly Jeruslem will be built on the ruins of Ukraine. from a channel established in 2008 with the description:
For the video, they added as a pinned comment:
"A lot of conspiracy theories. But those who understand, understand." The video description above this comment is:
In the US, there has been more frequent mention of Zionism and the role it plays around the world. I'm not sure there is a similar trend in Russia, though in relation to Ukraine, there was from RT The Oligarch Part 2: How one powerful man made Zelensky president, Ukraine his pocket state, and sent it to war. Maybe such an article has the effect of saving Zelensky and others while focusing on a key figurehead, even if also he might have been little more than a tool.
Is patriotism in Ukraine maturing?
In his most recent upload, Patriot's Hangover, using allusions buried in idiomatic expressions, talking about fatigue, health, lack of energy, diplomatically acknowledging those for whom nothing is likely to change beyond what they pick up from propaganda and the TV, (not encouraging people to proselytize) the speaker says that it appears, - with added emphasis on appears - that like a hangover, "it" is already now no longer like a tan. To understand "it", he uses it some what similar as COVID which he comments in another video, Global experiment, where he reviews a book, but see also this video where he comments on how Ukraine moved from one concern to the next within a day. Near the end, after having described different kinds of patriots and also the politicians and elites in power, he gives his opinion that there will be heavy hangovers from the patriotism, and that the actors, those in power will be in difficulties, but those who watch the theater and control it, (humming some notes from the beginning where he congratulates on the occasion of the Hanukkah) will be fine. Based on other uploads he is interested in the human experience, as some others are. He is also into breathing exercises and meditation. The translated theme of his TG channel, "The world inside you" is: "A channel for those who are ready to get to know themselves and the world around us"
It does not help the case for patriotism that some of the top corrupt people moved to Israel, as this guy was sad to learn:
It is symptomatic perhaps that he takes it out on the Bible and Christianity: In this case, he shows the Bible, says it was written by Jews, and misses no opportunity to advertise his own brew of Slavic-Shamanistic-Veda-ism. A variety of black and white thinking, possibly.
Regarding the person to the left in the row of three, it must be strange that the popular TV series where Zelensky played the main role, Servant of the people/ Sluga Naroda again and again comes close to reality. If the following embedded Tweet goes down, the text is:
Another disappointment for a patriots who have emphasized how much difference there is between Russians and Ukrainians:
Though still in the low numbers:
Interestingly the above connects to a video about immigration.
There are three speakers and the above statement was from a French rabbi.
Jewish male with skull cap and beard (A part of transcript is found here,but not so accurate.)
0:00 It's the end of days, you're going to 0:02 need the iron(?) of Esav(?) which represents 0:07 Edom which is the West, 0:09 Europe and the Americas to get 0:13 intermixed with 0:15 Ishmael which is basically Arabs and 0:17 Muslims. How in the world was this ever 0:20 going to happen if not for this refugee 0:21 crisis?
At the end of days you're going 0:23 to have this intermixing between Esav, Edom 0:26 which is the West, and the East which is 0:30 the Muslims and the 0:33 um 0:33 and the Arabs making this through 0:36 this influx into the world. And they're 0:37 going to have children you know 0:40 I don't want to say about the dozens but 0:42 they're going to have a far larger birth 0:44 rate than the indigenous people there, 0:46 and they're going to sort of conquer by 0:49 number. And there are many different 0:50 sources for this. One of them in uh ((Book of) Zechariah) 0:54 chapter 14 and many other sources as far 0:56 as this is concerned, where it's 0:58 mentioned very very um vividly what will 1:01 happen to the Jews and what will happen 1:02 to Jerusalem what will happen to the 1:04 world at that time where there will be 1:06 many many people killed and so on and so 1:08 forth so the idea of having these 1:11 refugees come into Europe it's no longer 1:13 a matter of whether it's right or wrong 1:15 it's just simply fulfillment of what it 1:17 was meant to be all along 1:20 This is the fulfillment of ((Book of) Zechariah) and the prophecies. This has to happen 1:23 and this is just another sign that we 1:25 are nearing you know the completion of 1:28 the (?) of the entire world.
1:38 [Music]1:43 foreign 1:48 [Music] 1:59 [Music] [This one needs to pick up from the subtitles, by moving to full screen, or adjusting the volume. It is a Rabbi with French accent Transcribing the text: there was:]
Rav David Touitou
The Messiah will return only once Edom - Europe, Christianity - will be totally destroyed. So I ask you: is it good news that Islam invades Europe? It's excellent news! It means the coming of the Messiah. Excellent news.
You will pay dearly for it Europeans! To such an extent! You have no idea!
And you will have no place to run to. Because all the evil you have done to Israel, you will pay for it a hundredfold. When Italy will be gone, when Edom (that is why the Christianity's headquarter which comes from "Hessal" is there), when that place will be gone, and that's what Islam is going to do, Islam is the broom of Israel, you have to know it.
Woman spaking to crowd: 2:06 [Applause] We are saying, yes we will ? (love) our neighbour. Last week IAC organized a letter signed by over 1200 rabbis. Can you imagine getting 1200 rabbis to agree on one thing? (Laughter) But agree they did, and what they agreed was to ask our elected 2:23 officials not to Halt or even to limit 2:26 the United States Refugee admissions 2:29 program. (Applause). 2:35 And it’s not just HIAS. Jewish organizations of all kinds, across the spectrum And it's not just science Jewish 2:37 organizations of all kinds across the 2:40 spectrum of Judaism are issuing 2:42 statements in support of refugees. These 2:45 have included the Orthodox Union the U.S 2:47 Holocaust Memorial Museum and so many of 2:50 the Jewish organizations that you've 2:51 heard are co-sponsors of this event this 2:54 evening
0:00 It's the end of days, you're going to 0:02 need the iron(?) of Esav(?) which represents 0:07 Edom which is the West, 0:09 Europe and the Americas to get 0:13 intermixed with 0:15 Ishmael which is basically Arabs and 0:17 Muslims. How in the world was this ever 0:20 going to happen if not for this refugee 0:21 crisis?
At the end of days you're going 0:23 to have this intermixing between Esav, Edom 0:26 which is the West, and the East which is 0:30 the Muslims and the 0:33 um 0:33 and the Arabs making this through 0:36 this influx into the world. And they're 0:37 going to have children you know 0:40 I don't want to say about the dozens but 0:42 they're going to have a far larger birth 0:44 rate than the indigenous people there, 0:46 and they're going to sort of conquer by 0:49 number. And there are many different 0:50 sources for this. One of them in uh ((Book of) Zechariah) 0:54 chapter 14 and many other sources as far 0:56 as this is concerned, where it's 0:58 mentioned very very um vividly what will 1:01 happen to the Jews and what will happen 1:02 to Jerusalem what will happen to the 1:04 world at that time where there will be 1:06 many many people killed and so on and so 1:08 forth so the idea of having these 1:11 refugees come into Europe it's no longer 1:13 a matter of whether it's right or wrong 1:15 it's just simply fulfillment of what it 1:17 was meant to be all along 1:20 This is the fulfillment of ((Book of) Zechariah) and the prophecies. This has to happen 1:23 and this is just another sign that we 1:25 are nearing you know the completion of 1:28 the (?) of the entire world.
1:38 [Music]1:43 foreign 1:48 [Music] 1:59 [Music] [This one needs to pick up from the subtitles, by moving to full screen, or adjusting the volume. It is a Rabbi with French accent Transcribing the text: there was:]
Rav David Touitou
The Messiah will return only once Edom - Europe, Christianity - will be totally destroyed. So I ask you: is it good news that Islam invades Europe? It's excellent news! It means the coming of the Messiah. Excellent news.
You will pay dearly for it Europeans! To such an extent! You have no idea!
And you will have no place to run to. Because all the evil you have done to Israel, you will pay for it a hundredfold. When Italy will be gone, when Edom (that is why the Christianity's headquarter which comes from "Hessal" is there), when that place will be gone, and that's what Islam is going to do, Islam is the broom of Israel, you have to know it.
Woman spaking to crowd: 2:06 [Applause] We are saying, yes we will ? (love) our neighbour. Last week IAC organized a letter signed by over 1200 rabbis. Can you imagine getting 1200 rabbis to agree on one thing? (Laughter) But agree they did, and what they agreed was to ask our elected 2:23 officials not to Halt or even to limit 2:26 the United States Refugee admissions 2:29 program. (Applause). 2:35 And it’s not just HIAS. Jewish organizations of all kinds, across the spectrum And it's not just science Jewish 2:37 organizations of all kinds across the 2:40 spectrum of Judaism are issuing 2:42 statements in support of refugees. These 2:45 have included the Orthodox Union the U.S 2:47 Holocaust Memorial Museum and so many of 2:50 the Jewish organizations that you've 2:51 heard are co-sponsors of this event this 2:54 evening
You Will Have No Place To Run Islam Is The Broom Of Israel Rabbi Rav Touitou
From the above use of power by some groups, it might lead to reactions, and there are ideas for a global structure controlled by...?
Even if more legislation and control is implemented, as we can see from Ukraine after more than ten years, a few people ask question. They explore the limits, and familiarize themselves with the law and its application.
Focus on Ukrainian laws and legalities - getting out of trouble
This YouTube channel, and it seems many other profiles on social media, share more or less frequently comments and videos related to legalities, sometimes wrapped in a strategic mix with talk of family life, hypothetical situations, health or alternative energy work and similar topics, probably not only to make the topics less dry, but also to hide that what they say might apply also to cases of people who would like to leave the country, but are not really allowed to if done without preparation, and those trying to postpone mobilization until some other day. One can also find videos with individuals going through live discussions and arguments with officials and others interested in taking some actions they do not really need to. or which is overreach or plainly illegal. It seems that fraudulent signatures, and contracts is a real problem and people can be stuck with court cases for a long time trying to prove a signature is false, or that there was fraud involved in contract
Without getting too detailed, here are two screenshots from an FB profile. To the left an image relating to the Ukrainian law and what rights the SBU have in relation to the individual. To the right the constitution of Ukraine, and what rights are guaranteed.
Here is another perspective from Ukraine, found as an FB post, by someone who apart from being into digital creation, possibly art, has been into eastern philosophy. Some people are learning that humans are not at the top and reflect on what this may mean for the individual.
Some things are worth fighting for and some not. There are also cases where not only is something not worth fighting for, but it would be wrong not to resist in some way. There are many situations.
Finally and this is the last, it is related to role of citizens in relation to the elites that use them.
The authorities must answer to the people, and not rule over them. Authority is neither a whip nor a throne. Authority is service, responsibility, and accountability to those on whose behalf it acts. If the authority orders, not explains. If punishes, does not protect. If it hides, but does not come out to people. If it serves the interests of a narrow circle, not the people, it is no longer power. This is usurpation.
Then the main question arises: who is in power now?
Those chosen by the people - or those who have seized control of land, resources, registers and lives, under the cover of “law,” “order,” “security”?
True power is not afraid of openness, does not hide behind fear, does not require blind obedience, does not place itself above men.
When a man becomes a resource, the earth becomes an object, and the people become a silent mass, it is no longer a state for people. This is a system that rules, not serves. And here everyone has to ask themselves: am I a subject - or am I the source of power? Because by nature, power belongs to the people, and not to those who have temporarily occupied the chair.
And the most important thing is that power rests not only on those who use it, but on the silence of those who allow it. Every time a person refuses to think, question, and feel the truth, he voluntarily gives up his power. Awareness does not begin with a protest, but with an inner choice: to be alive, a thinking person, and not a controlled figure in someone else's game. Because real power is not born in the offices — it is born in the awakened minds of people.
Write in the comments: how do you feel - do those who are "in power" serve you?
With love and awareness, Julia Svet
A question
Having in this post reviewed and presented a few of the ideas some Ukrainians share with each other, I have a question: Will more citizen in the countries where the leaders or many of them have almost fanatically supported the escalation of the NATO proxy conflict in Ukraine, eventually end up with some of the same observations and questions and realizations?
Making fun of these nutjobs is a good approach by Orban:
www.rt.com
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