2020 US Election: Trump to be Re-elected, Surely? Let The Games Begin!

[Approaching Infinity]

Some observations about the shooting (I'm just going to call the ICE guys "cops" for brevity):

After backing up slightly and putting the vehicle in drive, she straightens her wheels and accelerates while the shooter cop is in front of her vehicle. The wheels skid on the ice so the car doesn't lurch forward. (It would have on iceless road.) The cop would have heard this. It's reasonable to conclude that he made a snap judgment that the she was intentionally driving towards him. (An example from last year.) That doesn't mean that judgment was correct, of course. The driver appears to have been just attempting to flee, but her execution was poor. She accelerated while her wheels were still straight and someone was in front of her vehicle. She may not have even seen him. She too was probably "spooked" and running on adrenaline.

Apparently the same ICE agent had previously almost been killed by a car when executing a warrant.

The same ICE agent appears to have been dragged roughly 300 feet while executing an arrest warrant on an illegal alien, resulting in 33 stitches just six months ago.

If so, he was primed for just this type of scenario. That said, most law enforcement guidelines tell cops never to stand in front of a vehicle.

The driver should have complied with the cops' orders and not attempted to leave. And the cop shouldn't have been there and in retrospect was not in any real danger.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009052046704664798

He may face charges, but could be acquitted, as in this similar case (Grok summary):

In August 2023, in a supermarket parking lot in Blendon Township, Ohio, near Columbus, 21-year-old Ta'Kiya Young, a pregnant Black woman accused of shoplifting liquor bottles from a Kroger store, was confronted by police officers. Body camera footage showed Officer Connor Grubb and another officer approaching her SUV, where she was seated in the driver's seat. Grubb positioned himself in front of the vehicle and drew his weapon after Young refused repeated commands to exit the car. As she began to drive forward toward him, Grubb fired a single shot through the windshield, striking Young in the chest. The vehicle then crashed into the store's exterior wall. Young and her unborn daughter died from the injuries.

Grubb was placed on administrative leave, fired from the police department, and later indicted on charges of murder, involuntary manslaughter, and felonious assault. He pleaded not guilty, with his defense arguing that Young's acceleration of the vehicle constituted a deadly threat, justifying the use of lethal force in self-defense. Prosecutors contended that Grubb unnecessarily escalated the situation and that the car was moving slowly enough for him to step aside.

After a trial in Franklin County, a jury acquitted Grubb on all counts on November 21, 2025, exonerating him of any criminal wrongdoing.

The case drew significant public attention and protests, with Young's family expressing outrage over the verdict and pursuing a civil lawsuit against the township.

 

[mabar]

Another angle. It seems she was trying to escape and he didn't move. Stupidity all around, but imo starting with the driver

There is the possibility that perhaps she was looking at the other agent screaming and trying to open the door at her to her left, that she didn't see the officer coming from the right side, standing up almost in front of the car (more to the left) until or not even when he shot her...it happened too fast.

After backing up slightly and putting the vehicle in drive, she straightens her wheels and accelerates while the shooter cop is in front of her vehicle. The wheels skid on the ice so the car doesn't lurch forward. (It would have on iceless road.) The cop would have heard this. It's reasonable to conclude that he made a snap judgment that the she was intentionally driving towards him.

At the first shot, does not applies to the second and third shot, I think.
He moved out of the way almost at the same time of the first shot.

Sound of the first shot; next image, impact.

Second and third shot directly to her, him out of her harms way.

They are trained to kill not to disarm (in the narrative of the car using as a weapon) but he did not shoot at the tires, though. (Perhaps I had seen too many movies that police aim to the tires) because they want the suspect to be alive.

The driver should have complied with the cops' orders and not attempted to leave.

There are reports that one or more officers ordered her to leave and others to get out of the car. This will come out in the investigation. If true, which order should she have obeyed?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

They are trained to kill not to disarm (in the narrative of the car using as a weapon) but he did not shoot at the tires, though. (Perhaps I had seen too many movies that police aim to the tires) because they want the suspect to be alive.

Yeah, they are trained to shoot to kill, not like in the movies, and to shoot multiple times. The training, while offensive to many, is for worst case scenarios, e.g. if a suspect has a weapon, shooting to maim is not only more difficult (e.g. targeting limbs over body mass), it is also more likely to get you killed, because a maimed suspect can still shoot or stab you.

There are reports that one or more officers ordered her to leave and others to get out of the car. This will come out in the investigation. If true, which order should she have obeyed?

Ahh, I hadn't heard that. If that's the case, probably the officer trying to open the car door, who doesn't seem to be telling her to leave.

 

[SOTTREADER]

To me, it looks like a failure in common sense. The lady appears to have been shot for disobeying orders more than anything else. Attempting to "hit the officer" with the car looks like the perfect opportunity the officer needed to kill her knowing full well he can claim self defense. Correct me if I am wrong, but officers wouldn't be trained to stand in front of a car with a "suspect" in the car who can potentially drive at them... so looks like Mr Officer chose to stand in front of the car, but at such an angle he could easily side step it if it moved towards him.

Shame... the lady was young and a mum too. Poor kid(s) now have to grow up without their mum.

 

[Gawan]

Another angle. It seems she was trying to escape and he didn't move. Stupidity all around, but imo starting with the driver. Perhaps the officer walking calmly was because the car had just crashed into another parked car a little ways down the road, so there was no need for a chase.

Unfortunately, many wrong decisions in a short time. And the “police” definitely overreacted like cowboys, instead of deescalating. To me it also looked like she just wanted to turn the car, as wrong as it was.

There is the possibility that perhaps she was looking at the other agent screaming and trying to open the door at her to her left, that she didn't see the officer coming from the right side, standing up almost in front of the car (more to the left) until or not even when he shot her...it happened too fast.

This was also my imagination, that she concentrated on only one of them. Since it was absolutely a stressful situation, she most likely wasn't aware of the other one.

 

[mkrnhr]

I've seen lots of people online trying to justify or excuse the murder, even blaming the victim. The completely retarded responses of Trump and Vance do not help but one can see how devious a society can become. Some turn it into a political issue: the victim doesn't vote the same as me so she deserves to die. These people deserve each other, and above all, they deserve what their overlords have in store for them.

 

[irjO]

A couple of tweets defending the agents. They claim the woman was attempting to run down one of them

Even Elon is defending ICE or justifying the action:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009292194406895696

 

[SummerLite]

What the intent of the driver was, just trying to flee, doesn't matter. The man was in front of her car, which she saw, when she stepped on the gas. There have been so many attacks on Ice, bounties on their heads, doxing of homes, etc, throughout this whole round up I expect much of ICE are angry with these people. There is a history here which is important to understand in the over all picture. This has likely caused more aggressive behavior from some in ICE which is what the perpetrators want to see. The marines should be called in to help which worked well in Washington DC. This womans death of course will be used to the max.

Reposted from the current US thread. The point here is the on going, for a year, constant harassment of ICE. This could easily escalate into
the "protesters" shooting or fire bombing ICE cars or whatever. The left are instigating political violence.

 

[Charlie]

Looks like the shooting victim pulled up, let her wife out of the vehicle, then proceeded to pull across and sit in traffic. Her wife was filming outside the vehicle. I don’t think the ice agent should have shot her, but on the other hand, the shooting victim and wife were looking for a confrontation/reaction.

When you have poorly trained ice agents (the gravy seals) and people that are making some poor choices, meeting in a confrontation, the predictable outcome isn’t going to be good.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009434736813355417

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Looks like the shooting victim pulled up, let her wife out of the vehicle, then proceeded to pull across and sit in traffic. Her wife was filming outside the vehicle. I don’t think the ice agent should have shot her, but on the other hand, the shooting victim and wife were looking for a confrontation/reaction.

When you have poorly trained ice agents (the gravy seals) and people that are making some poor choices, meeting in a confrontation, the predictable outcome isn’t going to be good.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009434736813355417

According to the NYPost, she was a devoted anti-ICE activist for "ICE Watch," and trained to engage in anti-ICE protests:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009382634174996728

 

[Cosmos]

I haven‘t watched any of the videos of the shooting of that woman in the face in the car and I‘m not planning to do so either.

Even though I haven’t watched it, I noticed a couple of things:

- What exactly happened seems still to be hotly debated even among people with a good track record, including people here on the forum: coming to very different conclusions. That alone suggests to me that there are probably different angles, lengths and/or contexts of/around the video, with which the judgement of what happened is taking place and that it is difficult to say for sure.

It also rather clearly suggests at least one thing to me:

It was hard to say for sure what happened, especially right after the video came out, judged from the video alone. So, unless people like Vance and Trump have had some other evidence at hand than the video (like personal testimony of people on the ground) it is noticeable that both of them went right away with the “good ICE agent, bad woman“ narrative. How can they be so sure about “the truth of what exactly happened“?

 

[Niall]

Ah Minneapolis, where George Floyd was unjustly killed by a cop / died of a fentanyl overdose in the course of his lawful arrest, depending on your perspective. Followed by the BLM protests and riots and the channeling of all that energy towards demonizing Trump ahead of the 2020 election...

Take note of the timeline that led up to this recent shooting of 'anti-ICE legal observer' Renee Good:

On or about Christmas Day, 'MAGA activist' Nick Shirley's video series 'exposing mass fraud' at Somali-run child care centers in Minneapolis (and elsewhere in the state of Minnesota) begin 'going viral' on X.

By New Year's Eve, the Trump admin, via DHS and the FBI, announced the launch of investigations into the alleged fraud, while the White House announces the cessation of all federal funding for Minnesota's childcare facilities - some $185 million.

(For greater context, there is indeed fraud taking place here, and both parties seem to agree: CNN reports here that indictments - and convictions - against some 40 people in Minnesota began under the Biden admin. Even the NYT acknowledges that "fraud in the healthcare services has been rampant under Governor Tim Walz's watch." So Shirley wasn't really uncovering anything, so much as 'going over old ground'. For even greater context, consider Mike Benz's analysis of long-term federal support for segments of US immigrants, like the Somali community in Minnesota, in which such immigrants are intentionally brought to the US in return for cooperation with 'regime change operations back home'.)

Then, on January 6th (!), the White House announced its "largest immigration operation ever," sending some 2,000 ICE agents to... Minneapolis, Minnesota, "tied in part to allegations of fraud involving Somali residents."

That's when Good was shot dead "for resisting arrest." Right at the end of this article, we read that:

Good reportedly lived just a few blocks from where she was killed, and the scene is about one mile from where George Floyd was murdered in 2020 by a city police officer, sparking worldwide anti-racism protests