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Seems to me that she straigthens and steers in the same continuous motion, so I don't see how he could have got the impression that she was aiming at him.
Nope. She straightens her wheels (visible on the officer's phone recording), accelerates, spins out (officer reaches for his gun at this point), stops accelerating (visible on the bystander recording), then accelerates again and steers in a continuous motion as she rams into him. When the vehicle makes contact the vehicle is still mostly driving straight ahead, barely turning. Pause the video at 0:15 and move the slider back and forth between 0:15 and 0:16. Between the contact and the shot fired, slide between 0:16 and 0:17 and you can see the car turning more dramatically.
Also interesting that she previously said 'it's alright, I'm not mad at you', and that the recording is from his cell phone. At first I thought it was a body-cam but you can see on his reflection on the car that he is holding his phone and recording the whole thing. She wasn't having an attitude that would make him feel threatened and he didn't have the attitude of feeling threatened either.
That attitude is liberal white woman insouciance. Many such cases.
 
Renee Good was unarmed. She wasn't trying to run anyone over. She presented no danger at all. She wasn't even blocking the road. The feds rushed her, which undoubtedly spooked her into wanting to drive off, and then one of them needlessly shot her dead. Which US feds/cops do a LOT.
 
Reasonable assessment, IMO:

Ex-FBI agent Stu Kaplan stated that ICE agents are bound by Customs and Border Protection use-of-force policy, which explicitly prohibits placing oneself in front of or behind a moving vehicle, except during limited inspection scenarios. He said this policy exists precisely because people may flee during stops.He argued the agent violated that policy by stepping into the vehicle’s path, thereby manufacturing an exigent circumstance. In Kaplan’s view, the danger was created by the officer’s own actions, not by an intentional attack by the driver.

Kaplan emphasized that flight is foreseeable and legally anticipated behavior during law-enforcement encounters. Courts, including the Supreme Court, have recognized that officers must plan for the possibility of flight rather than positioning themselves in a way that turns flight into a deadly-force scenario.

He noted that the video shows the driver attempting to turn away, not drive toward the agent, and that the agent began drawing his weapon immediately as the car moved, despite having placed himself in harm’s way.

Absent evidence that the woman posed an immediate violent threat such as a prior violent felony or an attempt to use the car as a weapon, Kaplan said deadly force was not justified to stop a fleeing suspect for what appeared to be, at most, misdemeanor conduct.

His conclusion was that, despite being strongly pro-law-enforcement, this incident may constitute a “bad shoot” because the officer violated policy and then relied on a danger he helped create to justify lethal force.
 
Here's slowed down footage. Here its clear that the agent drew his gun while Good was reversing her vehicle and at the point where he was in no danger from her running over him. The other thing that comes up is that legacy news seems to have edited the footage to give the impression that all shots were fired while the agent is in front of the vehicle, however the last two shots are from the side. With this view and the partners call to 'drive baby drive' after speaking to the agent on the passenger side of the car it seems to me that the agents intention was to prevent Good from leaving the scene.

 
Renee Good was unarmed. She wasn't trying to run anyone over.
Fair. Though it's debatable whether she intended to ram into the ICE officer, or was just driving poorly.
She presented no danger at all.
Minor danger that didn't justify the use of force, in retrospect. Debatable in the heat of the moment.
She wasn't even blocking the road. The feds rushed her, which undoubtedly spooked her into wanting to drive off, and then one of them needlessly shot her dead.
"Undoubtedly" is doing a lot of work in this sentence. Her wife yelling at her to drive probably also contributed. You could just as easily say that the vehicle accelerating and hitting Ross "undoubtedly spooked" him and he reacted instinctively, especially given that he'd already been involved in a prior vehicular assault. That said, all the more reason why he shouldn't have been in front of the car in the first place. I agree it was a needless death, all things considered. The whole thing is needless, from her death to the protests to the anti-ICE messaging to the illegal immigrants being there in the first place.
Which US feds/cops do a LOT.
Also fair, though it's probably less than many assume. I'm reminded of this:
From January 21, 2025 – January 7, 2026, ICE law enforcement officers experienced 66 vehicular attacks against them, compared to only 2 during the same time period the previous year. This is a 3,200% increase in vehicular attacks.
Another couple examples. There will most likely be more incidents like this, hopefully not as tragic.

I was curious how this might have played out if Ross hadn't shot Good. My attorney, Grok, Esq., says probable misdemeanor, possible felony charges:
If the car bumping the officer (i.e., the physical contact) was truly unintentional — meaning the driver did not willfully or intentionally cause the contact, and it was an accident due to panic, misjudgment, or other non-deliberate factors — this could significantly affect the charges under federal law, particularly 18 U.S.C. § 111.

Key Elements of 18 U.S.C. § 111
This statute criminalizes anyone who forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with a federal officer engaged in official duties. Courts treat it as a general intent crime, meaning the government must prove the act was done voluntarily and intentionally, but not necessarily with the specific intent to injure the officer or even to commit an "assault" in the traditional sense.
  • Driving away from the stopped position after being ordered to exit would likely still qualify as resisting, opposing, or impeding the officers (a core violation under § 111(a)), as this is a deliberate choice to disobey and flee rather than comply.
  • The penalties escalate based on severity:
    • Simple assault (no physical contact): misdemeanor, up to 1 year in prison.
    • With physical contact (or intent to commit another felony): felony, up to 8 years.
    • With a deadly/dangerous weapon (a vehicle can qualify when used to cause contact) or bodily injury: up to 20 years.
Impact of Unintentional Contact
  • If the bumping was genuinely accidental (e.g., the driver panicked, foot slipped off the brake, or they misjudged while accelerating away), the government would have a harder time proving the forcible nature of the assault or that the contact itself was intentional.
    • Many courts define "forcible assault" as requiring an intentional striking, attempt to inflict injury, or threat that causes reasonable fear of harm. Purely accidental contact may not meet this threshold for the enhanced "physical contact" prong.
    • Defenses often focus on lack of intent — arguing the driver did not voluntarily or willfully cause the contact — which could reduce the charge to simple assault/resistance (misdemeanor level) or even lead to acquittal on the assault aspect if the contact is deemed non-forcible.
  • However, prosecutors frequently still charge the full range of § 111 violations in these scenarios, arguing that the overall act of fleeing was intentional and forcible, and that any resulting contact (even if unintended) elevates the offense. The vehicle itself can be viewed as a dangerous instrument in the context of evading officers.
Other Potential Charges
  • Resisting or impeding without the contact element would likely remain prosecutable as a misdemeanor under § 111.
  • State-level charges (e.g., reckless driving, assault by auto, or evading arrest) could still apply, depending on jurisdiction, and might not require the same level of intent for the contact.
  • If evidence shows the driver was aware of the risk (e.g., officer was clearly in the path and the driver accelerated anyway), prosecutors could argue recklessness or implied intent, strengthening the case for felony enhancements.
In summary, a truly unintentional bump would be a strong defense to the higher-penalty prongs (physical contact or deadly weapon), potentially keeping the case at the misdemeanor level or focusing only on the resisting/fleeing aspect. Outcomes depend heavily on the specific facts, video evidence, witness statements, and how prosecutors interpret intent. Federal cases like this are often aggressively pursued to protect officers, so consulting an experienced federal criminal defense attorney would be essential in any real situation.
 
Nope. She straightens her wheels (visible on the officer's phone recording), accelerates, spins out (officer reaches for his gun at this point), stops accelerating (visible on the bystander recording), then accelerates again and steers in a continuous motion as she rams into him. When the vehicle makes contact the vehicle is still mostly driving straight ahead, barely turning. Pause the video at 0:15 and move the slider back and forth between 0:15 and 0:16. Between the contact and the shot fired, slide between 0:16 and 0:17 and you can see the car turning more dramatically.
From seconds 14 to 16 I see a continuous motion of going forward as she is turning the wheel right. But I see what you mean about stopping accelerating for a brief moment. To me, that reinforces the impression that she did not mean to ram the cop but was probably trying to clear him before accelerating again. By the time he is shooting the wheel is already facing right and he is clear of the car's path. Also, it's still not clear to me that the vehicle makes contact with him, and if it does, it's just barely. I'm still quite convinced that she did not mean to ram him and was just trying to get away. The motion forward before the shot happens so fast (1.5 - 2 secs) that I can't see how she could have tried to ram and then changed her mind into steering.

That attitude is liberal white woman insouciance. Many such cases.

Ok, but the point is that this is not the attitude of someone who's about to try to kill you. Now, we can go back to the cop having an instinctive or trained reaction to a car accelerating in front of him and therefore shooting. But given the context and that the car was just starting to gain momentum and that he surely saw her steering the wheel, then his instinctive reaction was way out of proportion. If most or many cops in the US have such trigger-happy reactions, then that's the actual problem. I don't think it should be normalized either.
 
Here's slowed down footage. Here its clear that the agent drew his gun while Good was reversing her vehicle
That’s not what I see. I see him clearly pulling his gun out after the front left tire was already spinning forward. He already had his hand near his gun before that but hadn’t drawn it yet. From the agents own phone video, this is when you hear the engine rev. Having said that, I think he could have easily side stepped it. But in the agent’s defense, he probably wasn’t looking at which way the wheels were turned or what way the diver was turning the steering wheel.

Another thing to consider, it was icy out. You can see the left tire spinning on the ice. From the agent’s POV, he hears the engine rev and tires spinning. Not really a stretch IMO that he might of thought she floored it right in his direction.

I’m not quite sure what to think on this whole situation, as I believe it’s a lot more gray than a black and white scenario. The women were looking for a confrontation/reaction from the ICE agents. I don’t believe the agent should have shot the driver. Even if she had been driving straight at him, shooting her wasn’t going to impede the vehicle coming at him. He would have been better served focusing on getting out of the way.

I do try to give Law Enforcement the benefit of the doubt. They’re put in situations where they have to make split second decisions and snap judgment. That’s why I think it was an incredibly bad decision by the shooting victim to try and drive away. She forced the agent to make a rapid choice.

I think the agent’s previous incident of being hit and dragged by a car played into his reaction also.
 
Reasonable assessment, IMO:

Ex-FBI agent Stu Kaplan stated that ICE agents are bound by Customs and Border Protection use-of-force policy, which explicitly prohibits placing oneself in front of or behind a moving vehicle, except during limited inspection scenarios. He
Yes, I was thinking about the same thing today as its only common sense. Could his mental state have affected his judgment here? The woman was obstructing ICE movements all day with her car and maybe this really pissed him off. The trauma of being dragged by a car for 300 ft in June may have played into this in some way. These guys are under a lot of pressure and maybe he was ready to blow. I'm not making excuses for him just expanding on the possible story.

People are certainly divided on what happened, they seem convinced it was one way or another. I doubt she intended to hit him and also underestimated the seriousness of the situation she was in but that's only my guess. A quick and very bad judgment call for her and her husband. I do believe these people are being told to resist arrest which escalates things quickly.
 
From seconds 14 to 16 I see a continuous motion of going forward as she is turning the wheel right. But I see what you mean about stopping accelerating for a brief moment. To me, that reinforces the impression that she did not mean to ram the cop but was probably trying to clear him before accelerating again. By the time he is shooting the wheel is already facing right and he is clear of the car's path. Also, it's still not clear to me that the vehicle makes contact with him, and if it does, it's just barely. I'm still quite convinced that she did not mean to ram him and was just trying to get away. The motion forward before the shot happens so fast (1.5 - 2 secs) that I can't see how she could have tried to ram and then changed her mind into steering.



Ok, but the point is that this is not the attitude of someone who's about to try to kill you. Now, we can go back to the cop having an instinctive or trained reaction to a car accelerating in front of him and therefore shooting. But given the context and that the car was just starting to gain momentum and that he surely saw her steering the wheel, then his instinctive reaction was way out of proportion. If most or many cops in the US have such trigger-happy reactions, then that's the actual problem. I don't think it should be normalized either.
1. I wonder if the ICE agents have been trained by Israeli's?
2. There is an ICE agent giving her instructions, which as a civilian she is required to obey. She ignores them. What do think happens if a cop tells you to do something and you do the opposite, or anything vaguely threatening? Cops see and experience a lot more shit than any of us has (assumption) and they DO NOT like not being in control.
 
2. There is an ICE agent giving her instructions, which as a civilian she is required to obey. She ignores them. What do think happens if a cop tells you to do something and you do the opposite, or anything vaguely threatening? Cops see and experience a lot more shit than any of us has (assumption) and they DO NOT like not being in control.
Just checking - do Americans have laws that state citizens need to obey police instructions or else?

Out here in Europe, usually you must have done something wrong first and usually cops don't resort to shooting at unarmed people. Heck, in the UK, cops rarely even shoot at armed people if they judge the person to be "not intending to cause harm" and I've seen so many videos where they let people in cars get away just to avoid deadly scenarios. They don't really have to catch you at that moment they are chasing you - they have enough tools to track you down and catch you another day.

On the bolded bit, cops in the UK tend to run into people having "bad days" or "mental episodes" a lot where the individual is like threatening the cops and all sorts, and at most they usually just tase them.

America is just different I guess. Out there, blink and you get shot.
 
America is just different I guess. Out there, blink and you get shot.

I know, I guess all of us Europeans are watching the Americans explain the agents' actions and are thinking "wtf is going on?!"


Y'all, you keep defending this s***t, America will continue devolving into looking more and more like Israel. And you will be the Palestinians.
 
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